General Forum
RE: to chaser
thanks nadeen your sweet and very kind person--wish you the best always too.-cool
RE: to chaser
cool-thanks hun---yes all ok now--got my eyes back to seeing again, and i wish you the best always too my good friend--hope all is well over there and you are still studying hard--well i know you are-cool
kisses and hugs
kisses and hugs
RE: to chaser
thanks alex dear, and wish you all the best too-you are a very young beautiful woman stay cool always and you have a bright future ahead.
RE: to chaser
thanks gortensia--maybe someday i will find what im looking for--always take care dear one and hope someday too you will find your dreams too-cool-
RE: to chaser
thanks tina sweety--yes having fun- but drinking beer and yes i can get you some champaign if you prefer-cool--and you always take care to tina-kisses and hugs
RE: to chaser
thanks my honeybun--you are so sweet--and i missed your birthday, happy late birthday to you too-cool--and i wish you all the best for you and your son throughout yours life-to a special friend-kisses and hugs
Test of nerve
We've all heard about people having guts or balls. But do you really know
the difference between them? In an effort to keep you informed, the
definition for each is listed below...
GUTS - is arriving home late after a night out with the guys, being met by
your wife with a broom, and having the guts to ask: "Are you still cleaning,
or are you flying somewhere?"
BALLS - is coming home late after a night out with the guys, smelling of
perfume and beer, lipstick on your collar, slapping your wife on the butt
and having the balls to say: "You're next."
I hope this clears up any confusion on the definitions. Medically speaking,
there is no difference in the outcome since both ultimately result in death
the difference between them? In an effort to keep you informed, the
definition for each is listed below...
GUTS - is arriving home late after a night out with the guys, being met by
your wife with a broom, and having the guts to ask: "Are you still cleaning,
or are you flying somewhere?"
BALLS - is coming home late after a night out with the guys, smelling of
perfume and beer, lipstick on your collar, slapping your wife on the butt
and having the balls to say: "You're next."
I hope this clears up any confusion on the definitions. Medically speaking,
there is no difference in the outcome since both ultimately result in death
Marina
hello Marina! it was so unexpectable to see u here. U are still the same and actually...not so shy Good luck to u!
RE: Boundary
Well, i have to say that almost all new girls never read the rules :) Usually they read them after they get the first warning from CC. Saw a few examples already :)
RE: Boundary
Yes, and there is always the all-too-human tendency to exceed a boundary. The rebel by his very nature must step over that boundary be it for a noble cause or noble cause or no cause at all---just to do it because it is forbidden. Remember in the Garden of Eden God said Adam & Eve could pick of any fruit of any tree EXCEPT from the "Tree of Knowledge of Good & Evil." Of course, we know which tree they picked from. Even those who fancy themselves virtuous because they follow the rules, break them vicariously since their whole sense of virtue necessarily depends on those who DO break the rules. Their sense moral rightiousness could not exist without the rebel.
The saint and the sinner are bound together. One makes no sense without the other.
So, why do people here break the rules in ANY category (not just the "Ms. Goody Two Shoes" categories whose members repress their underlying reason for being here)? Why? Because they can.
Plus, it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission!.
Can't remember the name of the movie with a young Marlon Brando, but some woman asks him, "So, what are you rebelling against?" He looks at her and says, "Whatta ya got?" lol! That says it all in 2 sentences better than my feeble attempt above.
Any girl out there in "Family & Freinds" category who wants to break the rules and reveal what she REALLY is here for, e-mail me. It'll stay between you and me. :)
The saint and the sinner are bound together. One makes no sense without the other.
So, why do people here break the rules in ANY category (not just the "Ms. Goody Two Shoes" categories whose members repress their underlying reason for being here)? Why? Because they can.
Plus, it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission!.
Can't remember the name of the movie with a young Marlon Brando, but some woman asks him, "So, what are you rebelling against?" He looks at her and says, "Whatta ya got?" lol! That says it all in 2 sentences better than my feeble attempt above.
Any girl out there in "Family & Freinds" category who wants to break the rules and reveal what she REALLY is here for, e-mail me. It'll stay between you and me. :)
RE: Boundary
Rules are rules but I saw many girls from my section in bikini.From one side it's ok as you can see even minors in bikini on beach.From another side I'm not sure if such kind of pics produce truly non-adult chat association. Some bikini can be very revealing (this also depends on how the host of bikini represents herself on pics)
What about pics containing nipples through.I think CC doesn't allow them.Though taking into account that there are so many girls who are on-line atm I think it may be not so easy to track all. Perhpas you saw some girl with pics showing a nipple through and this may mean that CC didn't manage to track her.I know one girl which was banned from non-adult section cos she had a picture where she was in non-transporent top but there were seen the shapes of breast and her nipple through the top.But she do rarely wear any bra cos her breasts size is practically 0. I'm not sure if it's convenient to wear bra with such a small breast.
Hmm I had some pixs banned from non-adult section before(I was totally clothed in non-transporent clothes on the pics). I think that boundaries among truly non-adult, erotic and revealing pics may be very degraded.Some ppl may find a pic of totally clothed girl(for example a pic where she is wearing tiny shorts sitting with her legs spread widely with cam focused on her private places) much more adult than a pic of another girl in bikini, etc.
What about pics containing nipples through.I think CC doesn't allow them.Though taking into account that there are so many girls who are on-line atm I think it may be not so easy to track all. Perhpas you saw some girl with pics showing a nipple through and this may mean that CC didn't manage to track her.I know one girl which was banned from non-adult section cos she had a picture where she was in non-transporent top but there were seen the shapes of breast and her nipple through the top.But she do rarely wear any bra cos her breasts size is practically 0. I'm not sure if it's convenient to wear bra with such a small breast.
Hmm I had some pixs banned from non-adult section before(I was totally clothed in non-transporent clothes on the pics). I think that boundaries among truly non-adult, erotic and revealing pics may be very degraded.Some ppl may find a pic of totally clothed girl(for example a pic where she is wearing tiny shorts sitting with her legs spread widely with cam focused on her private places) much more adult than a pic of another girl in bikini, etc.
RE: btw
Clearly non-adult has taken on a more adult look for many hosts. There is almost a secret code that communicates to the member whether or not one to one will be hot or not. Not always true but generally host who pose in provocative poses even when fully dressed are more adult that others who just show a smiling face.
RE: btw
Well, I couldn't agree more. It is indeed a "secret"---or not-so-secret---code. Check out my thoughts above. And Gortensia, my dear, I am "shocked, shocked" that there are men in non-adult with bare nipples. I propose the Legion of Decency take up a collection and insist they wear pasties! Think of how many innocent souls shall be spared the corrupting influence of seeing bare chested men. Maybe the decendents of those guys who painted the underpants on those figures on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel are still carrying the torch. If not, cast not thine eyes upon the wicked lest ye too be corrupted. (And no peeking Gortensia!! :)) )
RE: btw
Jenn, I respect your desire to keep the category pure, but your reports are in vain my dear. I am not here to defend the rule-breakers, just to point out that wherever there is a rule, there will be those who want to break it---just because it is there!
My own complaint is with those hosts who are in a category in which the unwritten assumption of nudity is not honored. There are those girls who seem to derive a pleasure in playing coy games. They seem to delight in luring a guy into their "private" (so-called) room, then feigning naivite. When asked---no matter how politlely--- to show their bodies, they dramatically exclaim, "What? You want me to take my clothes off?!!" One girl told me, "I'm not like these other girls!" My sense is she is being altogether disingenuous; or she is self-deceived about her true motive for being here; or both.
The very best hosts are those who have a clear sense of why they are here and what the true nature of sites like these is. They also understand they are being exploited economically, as are the guests. And knowing this, they deliver the salacious service to the willing guest. The exploiters and purveyors of this service understand all too well that the girls (or guys, or couples) are the agents of the sexual fantasies and illusions for sale and they know they will have no want of customers. These wanton wares are as old as mankind itself.
My own complaint is with those hosts who are in a category in which the unwritten assumption of nudity is not honored. There are those girls who seem to derive a pleasure in playing coy games. They seem to delight in luring a guy into their "private" (so-called) room, then feigning naivite. When asked---no matter how politlely--- to show their bodies, they dramatically exclaim, "What? You want me to take my clothes off?!!" One girl told me, "I'm not like these other girls!" My sense is she is being altogether disingenuous; or she is self-deceived about her true motive for being here; or both.
The very best hosts are those who have a clear sense of why they are here and what the true nature of sites like these is. They also understand they are being exploited economically, as are the guests. And knowing this, they deliver the salacious service to the willing guest. The exploiters and purveyors of this service understand all too well that the girls (or guys, or couples) are the agents of the sexual fantasies and illusions for sale and they know they will have no want of customers. These wanton wares are as old as mankind itself.
RE: Boundary
there has to be a clear distinction between Adult and Non Adult. The reason girls break the rules in Non Adult is because they can in 121 which is twice as expensive than if they were in Adult. There are also less girls in Non Adult. Unfortunately, there are also girls in Non Adult who's pics give the impression they will be more accomodation than they really are and all this means genuine Non Adult girls are continually harrassed by impatient guys. CC should sort it out.
RE: Boundary
Agree entirely. I'm weary of hosts telling me what beasts men are expecting sex in non adult, then I look at their profile pics and see the most explicit sexual poses, and of reading viewers posting about the 'bitches' who wouldn't come across in non adult.
Simple rule, hosts don't advertise your bodies if chat is all you are offering; viewers, don't ask for sex if it is not advertised. All this will help save both sides grief, wasted time and money.
Also, maybe CC could manage their business better.
Simple rule, hosts don't advertise your bodies if chat is all you are offering; viewers, don't ask for sex if it is not advertised. All this will help save both sides grief, wasted time and money.
Also, maybe CC could manage their business better.
Hotlollipop is back
Wow!!! just came to know that hotlollipop is back again as hotlollipopx. She is a cute sweet girl with a great ass.
RE: Hotlollipop is back
U don't need to advertise.
She did it already herself (see some lines below)
She did it already herself (see some lines below)
RE: Hotlollipop is back
This shows that you dont know about marketing and advertising.
Even good products need to be advertised and marketed well to succeed. Else how will ppl like you come to know that it is available.
Even good products need to be advertised and marketed well to succeed. Else how will ppl like you come to know that it is available.
RE: Hotlollipop is back
Need to meet her, been a long time since chatted with her. She is good.
Ladies
How often do you have a REAL orgasm when you have sex? If you do not have one --- but your man does -- are you satisfied? I am asking for HONEST answers not cheesy comments. PLEASE BE HONEST.
RE: Ladies
ah, eboy needs to learn some tricks!
i had a gf that didn't every time, but had multiple o's more often than not...so overall, higher than 100%???
i had a gf that didn't every time, but had multiple o's more often than not...so overall, higher than 100%???
RE: Ladies
If you rus ladies are getting so many orgasms how come the population of rus is declining ?????????????????
RE: Ladies
Thank you for your answer. Apparently rus women have substituted having a child with having an orgasm whereas our women are having babies at the expense of orgasms.
I must start a study on this soon; it might make me famous..........
I must start a study on this soon; it might make me famous..........
RE: Ladies
Depends exactly on definitions of sex. Of the 40 or so women i have screwed only a handful managed regular orgasms during intercourse. Most men i have spoken with are honest enought to admit that this is also their experience. Its not lack of technique or finesse on the man's part but more the woman and her physical and mental make up.
Now of course all women can and do regularly experience clitoral orgasm by various means.
Now of course all women can and do regularly experience clitoral orgasm by various means.
RE: Ladies
my unscientific survey says the same mate. These rus women are all liars even about sex LOL
RE: Ladies
I always do unless on the rare occasion I tell him that I don't need to right now. I wouldn't stay with a selfish man who gets himself off, then rolls over without even making sure that I'm done.
RE: Hi mr kotter
I think then you are missing something. She is just too cute and sweet to be missed. A great friend and always trying that extra bit to make us smile and feel good.
RE: Lonely..I am so lonely... lol
Not if she's a self-centered snob. But in your case I'll make an exception
RE: Lonely..I am so lonely... lol
Not the ones that charge $2.99 a min. It's gonna get pretty cold and lonley seeing as there are plenty of other sexy girls charging $1 a min.
Need some help
Not sure if I asked this before.. like last year, for example.. but I would need a bit of help to find the lyrics of a Christmas Carol ( no, google didn't help me) . I must be having it at home ( my parents' ) but I won't make them go through such a difficult task as finding my notebook and reading my awuful handwriting.. So could you help me?
All I can remember is something like this:
"So come on sweet children, come listen and play/pray
In Bethleem stable the angel did say
A baby was born in a cold winter's night..... "
Anyone ? :)
Thanks in advance
All I can remember is something like this:
"So come on sweet children, come listen and play/pray
In Bethleem stable the angel did say
A baby was born in a cold winter's night..... "
Anyone ? :)
Thanks in advance
RE: Need some help
The first Noel the Angel did say
Was to certain poor shepherds in
fields as they lay
In fields where they lay keeping their sheep
On a cold winter's night that was so deep
Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel,
Born is the King of Israel!
They looked up and saw a star
Shining in the East, beyond them far;
And to the earth it gave great light,
And so it continued both day and night.
Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel,
Born is the King of Israel!
This star drew nigh to the north-west;
O'er Bethlehem it took its rest,
And there it did both stop and stay,
Right over the place where Jesus lay.
Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel,
Born is the King of Israel!
Then let us all with one accord
Sing praises to our heavenly Lord,
That hath made heaven and earth of nought.
And with His blood mankind hath bought.
Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel,
Born is the King of Israel!
Was to certain poor shepherds in
fields as they lay
In fields where they lay keeping their sheep
On a cold winter's night that was so deep
Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel,
Born is the King of Israel!
They looked up and saw a star
Shining in the East, beyond them far;
And to the earth it gave great light,
And so it continued both day and night.
Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel,
Born is the King of Israel!
This star drew nigh to the north-west;
O'er Bethlehem it took its rest,
And there it did both stop and stay,
Right over the place where Jesus lay.
Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel,
Born is the King of Israel!
Then let us all with one accord
Sing praises to our heavenly Lord,
That hath made heaven and earth of nought.
And with His blood mankind hath bought.
Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel,
Born is the King of Israel!
RE: Need some help
Could only find this
So come on sweet children , come listen and pray ,
In Bethleem stable , the angel did say :
A baby was born in a cold winter night
That fills our hearts with the greatest delight ...
or was it The First Noel you wanted the lyrics for ?
So come on sweet children , come listen and pray ,
In Bethleem stable , the angel did say :
A baby was born in a cold winter night
That fills our hearts with the greatest delight ...
or was it The First Noel you wanted the lyrics for ?
RE: Need some help
Yeap, it was the First Noel lyrics.. what you found, I had as well, on a romanian site... :)
Thank you anyway :)
Thank you anyway :)
Seeking Russian Fetish Host ...
Who has long black hair, is very skinny, dres sin black, answer to the name Natasha and has a microphone so I can hear her say, "Moose and squirrel!"
RE: more celeb junk
lmao... im a female... an occasional hoster and poster :P but if you like, ill grab me a strap on and call myself a male or shemale for ya:P
RE: more celeb junk
i dont think so--im a female too and i dont like strap on's -so stick it in your butt.
RE: more celeb junk
i havent had any experience--but i did see your video and seen how you did it--that was amazing--can you use a bigger one next time
Who are You
Excuse me ladies and friends, close your eyes and ears, Im about to say something to someone on here and he knows who he is and I hope he reads this-He is a first class butthole and jerk when he has to attack a woman on here, by calling her names that are not so nice and disgusted and has to get so fucking jealous whenever someone else talks to her. The first place, want you to know this woman is a friend of mine not a lover, so dont go on saying those things to her about people on here. If you dont have something nice to say -keeping your fucking mouth shut--or better yet-keep your damn fingers off the keyboard--Ok now I know he is going to type something back on here, saying I am the butthole and jerk--which if that is what he wants to do, I can take it, but keep your mouth shut about her and her friends on here which or other members and host on here.
RE: Who are You
I like you really love rus hosts but they tend to have a rather extended ofactory organ...........
RE: Who are You
sheesh austin are you about to find out what assholes these people can be. they are all going to butcher you,,,,,,,,,should have left well enough alone
RE: Who are You
She likes it when we grope her milk sacs and gets off sitting on my lap with Mr Tube Steak peeking through the pee hole in my underwear. Maybe it's you that needs to get away from her, she's a bad girl and likes to be treated like one.
RE: Who are You
nahh warchant-only one asshole i know on here, and all i got to say to him is fuck him. and far as butchering, what the hell, i been through that growing up as a kid all away through my, so well enough said as far as im concern, if you other fuckers here want to post something, go right ahead-who gives a fuck.
RE: Who are You
thanks you sweet man sean--but dont pay no attention to that jerk and asshole, he is not the only one on here
RE: Who are You
oops im sorry but i am gay--i couldnt have done that to that girl--i only like men--
RE: Who are You
thanks austinp--for standing up for some of these losers who just cant think to straight. we all are not whores, i speak for myself.
RE: Who are You
why do people call these woman whores--its not like they are really having sex with them--just looking on cam--is it because they pay money to see these acts
WTF
No not the man but what is happening here on this forum. I have never seen such drunken or drugged up posts before. It shows that the earth is truly going to hell and will end soon.
Therefore all hosts should prepare themselves for the end of CC too. In harmony with this demise they should also offer to their soon to be demised viewers an offer.
The offer would include one free vid and a visitation for the viewer to the country and location of the host where the host will offer the viewer a free ................ and BJ at the airport. If he is any good then she will invite him back to her flat to continue until the end comes for all of us..........
Therefore all hosts should prepare themselves for the end of CC too. In harmony with this demise they should also offer to their soon to be demised viewers an offer.
The offer would include one free vid and a visitation for the viewer to the country and location of the host where the host will offer the viewer a free ................ and BJ at the airport. If he is any good then she will invite him back to her flat to continue until the end comes for all of us..........
RE: WTF
Was this the double post you mentioned below ?
Fries would be good but I could live without them :P
Fries would be good but I could live without them :P
RE: WTF
Yeah, a double post like this one..
And you're just being nice, I'm sure others won't accept a BJ without some fries.. or a Mars, depends on the guy.
And you're just being nice, I'm sure others won't accept a BJ without some fries.. or a Mars, depends on the guy.
RE: WTF
I knew I could flush you out in the open you egomaniac with that same old smut infested brain hanging out of your mouth.............welcome back old buddy.......we still love and need ya :)
RE: WTF
Suggest u listen to "one less bitch" by NWA if u start to have these weak metrosexual feelings
SANTA HATS:(
Is there anything less erotic than a santa hat. seen the first today on gorgeous lass, yuck nil points
Saint Nicholas
Well, he won't pass even to let me a stick.. but I hope your boots will be full with goodies :)
Nighty night!
Nighty night!
RE: Saint Nicholas
It is Saint Nicholas today and in Romania at least, all good kids get presents that will be put in their boots :)
When I was younger I was always cleaning my boots and put the near the window and hope Saint Nick wont leave a stick, as he does for bad kids :)
When I was younger I was always cleaning my boots and put the near the window and hope Saint Nick wont leave a stick, as he does for bad kids :)
RE: Saint Nicholas
What double post ??????????
When you get to your age Psy isn't it the stick you want rather than your boots filled :P (Or is that just wishful thinking that your a naughty girl on my part?)
When you get to your age Psy isn't it the stick you want rather than your boots filled :P (Or is that just wishful thinking that your a naughty girl on my part?)
RE: Saint Nicholas
Each of my posts was a double one..my browser was acting up..
I'm still a kid, and don't wish for the stick.. though having that in my boots would mean someone remembered me :)
I'm still a kid, and don't wish for the stick.. though having that in my boots would mean someone remembered me :)
RE: funny:)
hahahaha was my fav rhymes last year :P
sounded a tiny wee lil diff tho...
F*ck is good, f*ck is funny, lots of people f*ck for money. If you think that f*ck is funny, f*ck yourself and save your money!
Jenn (K) hehe :P
sounded a tiny wee lil diff tho...
F*ck is good, f*ck is funny, lots of people f*ck for money. If you think that f*ck is funny, f*ck yourself and save your money!
Jenn (K) hehe :P
RE: funny:)
As you have bf in reality you better tell to the guys here "Yes we can be friends, etc.."
RE: funny:)
mmmmm....smurfy.
if i can find out which of the 100 irinas here is you, i'm gonna come and smurf you silly....all smurfy style...oh smurf, yeah.
if i can find out which of the 100 irinas here is you, i'm gonna come and smurf you silly....all smurfy style...oh smurf, yeah.
the most useful
I found a contest in a magazine, there you have to describe the stupidest and the most useful present you ever got. hmm i can't remember of any like that. Don't even know what it could be. Maybe you ever had such an experience ?
thank you :P
P.S. best reply will be sent to the magazine :D
thank you :P
P.S. best reply will be sent to the magazine :D
RE: friendship
Friendship you have to feel with your heart. It's when you feel respect, reliability, support, understanding and, of course, trust, love and warmth towards and from someone.
When i started working here, i didn't understand what guys mean when they say can i be your friend ? It's not a question of permittion, is it? It either happens or not.
Tho, of course, later i understood, that when a guy asks if we can be friends, he asks "i liked being with you, did you?", "can i keep coming to you?" and so on. I think is all. Coz if you wanna be someone's friend, no use to ask for permittion. Do you ask "Can i fall in love with you?" :P
When i started working here, i didn't understand what guys mean when they say can i be your friend ? It's not a question of permittion, is it? It either happens or not.
Tho, of course, later i understood, that when a guy asks if we can be friends, he asks "i liked being with you, did you?", "can i keep coming to you?" and so on. I think is all. Coz if you wanna be someone's friend, no use to ask for permittion. Do you ask "Can i fall in love with you?" :P
RE: friendship
If your looking for friendship on a porn site you really are fucked up. This is business... Pay, Play, Get out!
RE: friendship
you can make friends but you can't make friendships.friendships are like flowers.you plant the seeds then if the climate is right they may grow.
RE: friendship
a friend is someone that you can count on 24/7. someone who you can pick up the phone and call at 3 in the morning. it is a person who warms your heart. who really cares how your day was. it is a person that is there for you expecting nothing in return. a friend is the person by your side when the rest of the world walks away. and a friend is so much more. a lot of people know the word but truly do not know how to be a true friend.
Damn I lost it all!!!
This totally bites I lost all the music I down loaded anyway of getting it back without having to re download it again
RE: Damn I lost it all!!!
Next time you could just use the back ups that I expect you will now start making :)
RE: Damn I lost it all!!!
Well thanks to Anne she helped me get all my songs back thank you so much anne you are the best kisses for you girl (K) (ROSE)
RE: Damn I lost it all!!!
You are stealing it anyway by illegal downloading. I have your IP number. Stop it now !
RE: Going Dutch
Going Dutch is a slang term that means that each person eating at a restaurant or paying admission for entertainment pays for himself or herself, rather than one person paying for everyone. It is also called Dutch date or Dutch treat.
Etiquette
There is a delicate etiquette surrounding going Dutch. It may be accepted in some situations, such as between non-intimate friends or less affluent people, but considered stingy in other circumstances, such as on a romantic date or at a business lunch.
The traditional way to handle a bill on a romantic date in the West has been that the one who invited the other (traditionally, nearly always the man) takes the bill and the invitee may not even know the actual price of the meal. Some restaurants keep ladies' menus without prices.
Etymology
The phrase "going Dutch" probably originates from Dutch etiquette. In the Netherlands, it is not unusual to pay separately when dating. The Dutch were already internationally known as scrooges, and English rivalry with The Netherlands especially during the period of the Anglo-Dutch Wars gave rise to several phrases including Dutch that promote certain negative stereotypes. Examples include Dutch courage, Dutch uncle and Dutch wife. The particular stereotype associated with this usage is the idea of Dutch people as ungregarious and selfish.
In Spain, "going Dutch" is attributed to Catalans, due to a stereotype that they are greedy. A stereotypical non-Catalan Spaniard would compete to invite the group.
In Italy, the expression pagare alla romana can be translated as: "To pay like people of Rome" or "to pay like they do in Rome". It has the same meaning as "going Dutch".
Curiously, in South American countries exist the Spanish phrase pagar a la americana (literally "To pay American style") which refers to a trait attributed to people from the U.S.A. or Canada.
The gambling term dutching may follow this same route as it describes a system that shares stakes across a number of bets. It is commonly believed, however, that the Dutch reference here was in fact derived from a gangster (Dutch Schultz) who used this strategy to profit from racing.
Feminist support for Dutch date practice
During the advent of Second wave feminism, the late 1960s and 1970s, the women's movement encouraged women to understand aspects of their own personal lives as deeply politicized. Many feminists investigated the framework and assumptions of traditional courtship roles. They subscribed to the idea that there should be equality of the sexes, not just legally, but socially and sexually.
They thought that it was mature, empowering and self-respecting for women to pay their own way in romantic dates. They were rejecting traditional gender role assumptions that men should make more money and should pay for affections through dinners and the rest of costs of dates. In this way, women were making an equal investment in the cost of courtship.
It became more common for women to pay their own way, or to pay for men's meals. Some women were offended if their male dining partner "grabs the check."
Effective end of Dutch practice
Since the 1990s, mores, particularly in the US, have reverted to past customs.
More women have abandoned 1970s feminism's ideals for equality of gender roles and relationships. More women have reverted to adopting traditional, that is, unequal views of the courting relationship, and assumptions about men's responsibility to spend money to express affection.
Thus, a gesture has arisen to test a man's adherence to the return to traditional courtship roles: In the last 10 years in the US, a further twist to the woman's offering to pay their own way has occurred. These women will generally offer to pay their part of the meal, but if the man agrees, the woman will assume that he is not interested in her and she will then decline to meet him again.
Social custom also varies among same-sex couples. Most often, it is the inviter or the one whose financial situation most lends him or her to pay who does so. The lack of rigid tradition, however, leaves no widely adopted custom
Etiquette
There is a delicate etiquette surrounding going Dutch. It may be accepted in some situations, such as between non-intimate friends or less affluent people, but considered stingy in other circumstances, such as on a romantic date or at a business lunch.
The traditional way to handle a bill on a romantic date in the West has been that the one who invited the other (traditionally, nearly always the man) takes the bill and the invitee may not even know the actual price of the meal. Some restaurants keep ladies' menus without prices.
Etymology
The phrase "going Dutch" probably originates from Dutch etiquette. In the Netherlands, it is not unusual to pay separately when dating. The Dutch were already internationally known as scrooges, and English rivalry with The Netherlands especially during the period of the Anglo-Dutch Wars gave rise to several phrases including Dutch that promote certain negative stereotypes. Examples include Dutch courage, Dutch uncle and Dutch wife. The particular stereotype associated with this usage is the idea of Dutch people as ungregarious and selfish.
In Spain, "going Dutch" is attributed to Catalans, due to a stereotype that they are greedy. A stereotypical non-Catalan Spaniard would compete to invite the group.
In Italy, the expression pagare alla romana can be translated as: "To pay like people of Rome" or "to pay like they do in Rome". It has the same meaning as "going Dutch".
Curiously, in South American countries exist the Spanish phrase pagar a la americana (literally "To pay American style") which refers to a trait attributed to people from the U.S.A. or Canada.
The gambling term dutching may follow this same route as it describes a system that shares stakes across a number of bets. It is commonly believed, however, that the Dutch reference here was in fact derived from a gangster (Dutch Schultz) who used this strategy to profit from racing.
Feminist support for Dutch date practice
During the advent of Second wave feminism, the late 1960s and 1970s, the women's movement encouraged women to understand aspects of their own personal lives as deeply politicized. Many feminists investigated the framework and assumptions of traditional courtship roles. They subscribed to the idea that there should be equality of the sexes, not just legally, but socially and sexually.
They thought that it was mature, empowering and self-respecting for women to pay their own way in romantic dates. They were rejecting traditional gender role assumptions that men should make more money and should pay for affections through dinners and the rest of costs of dates. In this way, women were making an equal investment in the cost of courtship.
It became more common for women to pay their own way, or to pay for men's meals. Some women were offended if their male dining partner "grabs the check."
Effective end of Dutch practice
Since the 1990s, mores, particularly in the US, have reverted to past customs.
More women have abandoned 1970s feminism's ideals for equality of gender roles and relationships. More women have reverted to adopting traditional, that is, unequal views of the courting relationship, and assumptions about men's responsibility to spend money to express affection.
Thus, a gesture has arisen to test a man's adherence to the return to traditional courtship roles: In the last 10 years in the US, a further twist to the woman's offering to pay their own way has occurred. These women will generally offer to pay their part of the meal, but if the man agrees, the woman will assume that he is not interested in her and she will then decline to meet him again.
Social custom also varies among same-sex couples. Most often, it is the inviter or the one whose financial situation most lends him or her to pay who does so. The lack of rigid tradition, however, leaves no widely adopted custom
RE: Going Dutch
Cool, any dutch hosts on CC?
I'm willing to pay my half of the vid if she pays the other :P
I'm willing to pay my half of the vid if she pays the other :P
RE: Going Dutch
Dutch r famous with their tight asses.
Their steaks r the thinest in the world too lol
Their steaks r the thinest in the world too lol
RE: Going Dutch
Ever been to the Dutch village of Vollendam and Marken? Parents there dress their boys as girls! Another meaning of 'going Dutch' perhaps.
RE: Going Dutch
I'm not sure how the Dutch (like the Scots) got the reputation for parsimony, but the expression "going Dutch" or "Dutch date" is not the only example. I believe the "Dutch oven" (a casserole pot) reflects this as well, presumably because it is cheaper to cook in this single pot than to light an oven. Then there is a joke I heard from a man from Suriname (the former Dutch colony, Dutch Guyana): "How was copper wire invented?" Answer: "Two Dutchmen squeezing a penny."
RE: Going Dutch
when i went to amsterdam (admittedly years ago) you had to pay to use the toilets in mcdonalds even though you were eating there - so maybe reputation is slightly deserved?
RE: Going Dutch
You pay for bogs in all busy tourist cities. Paris is the same. People just want 2 have a piss instead of buying food.
RE: Going Dutch
Not really, I went in several MacDo in Paris and never had to pay.. the one at Chatelet, for example.. didn't pay there.. never.
RE: Ever
I gues it depends on the circumstances. Were both girls? Both guys? One girl, one guy? Which one were you? Was it a friend or an acquaintance? Were you both from the same culture? What are the traditions of the culture(s)?
A scenario: An American guy is visiting an east European girl he has befriended on the net and she says she made a reservation at a fancy restaurant.
If it was me I would answer that though I certainly don't want to eat from a hamburger stand in the market, a five-star restaurant is beyond my budget. In any event, I would check the prices on the menu and if they were too high I would close the menu and again tell her it was beyond my budget.
If she was a friend she would be gracious and agree. If she was just out to spend your money why do you need her?
A scenario: An American guy is visiting an east European girl he has befriended on the net and she says she made a reservation at a fancy restaurant.
If it was me I would answer that though I certainly don't want to eat from a hamburger stand in the market, a five-star restaurant is beyond my budget. In any event, I would check the prices on the menu and if they were too high I would close the menu and again tell her it was beyond my budget.
If she was a friend she would be gracious and agree. If she was just out to spend your money why do you need her?
RE: Ever
I offered a UK host cockles and whelks from a late night street barrow but she turned me down! :(
RE: The Ashes
Well I hope it pisses down rain for all five days B/C Australia is in the grip of a drought.... :-)