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DHL tried to expand into USA but fell short. They've been known to be your best bet in Europe, but any of them should do just fine there. Expensive, though...

so since when have parcelforce dealt with letters? surely PARCELforce deal with PARCELS?

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as someone who deals with important documents all the time i can tell you never, never, ever use a government run postal service anywhere in the world. pay the money for fed ex or even ups

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Yes, very frustrating for you. I'm in London and I too was not confident about Parcel Force so I always use Mail Boxes Etc. They pack for me then phone around for the best deal on my behalf. All parcels I've sent aboard have been fully trackable online. They have never let me down yet.
Good luck.

The bigger joke is posting anything from the UK to Russia... it seems to get delivered whenever they feel like it, if at all.

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Ive got once a parcel from UK, it came in 2 weeks

watch DHL for double billing and over estimating taxes .
good company as said before but expensive.

uk to russia?..so that would have nothing to do with the russian postal service then?..blame parcelforce its much easier

Yes, I should clarify that this has nothing to do with Parcel Force. I've actually always found Parcel Froce to be pretty good. Have used them lots over the years and never any issues.

i have always found Parcelforce entirely satisfactory. They are my first choice when I need the services of a parcel delivery service.

Try Argentina...I send packages last season to a few of my friends...out of 5 packages..2 made it...2 disappeared and one wound up open with contents missing.

Never used them, but can say the USPS isn't much better. My brother overnighted a resume' and job application through the US PO to ensure it was received on time. He never heard anything on the job but 3 months later his overnight envelope was returned to him, mangled by one of their sorting machines.

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"and take a quick look at the photos. really all the women here are quite stunning. "

Maybe you're just being politically correct, but I've quite a few girls on here I do not want to see in pvt even if they were free. Yes there are many stunning women on cc and other cam sites as well. But to say they all are is just not accurate unless you are blind.

<have become used to being the center of attention in their lives.>
I agree with your general comments about the attitude which possibly makes some hosts more successful here than others, but disagree with your premise that the hosts are in any sense exceptional in their own environments. Of course they are very attractive, but in the cities from which they originate they represent only a small proportion of their peer group, and it would be naive in the extreme to assume they are the only attractive members of their generation, or that all the attractive members of their generation gravitate towards sites like cc. On the contrary, the assumption must surely be that there are far more attractive girls in Kostroma, Bucharest, Perm, Brasov etc not hosting, than are hosting. So is really not a case that they are the centre of attention in their own lives: they have the same competition there as they do here.

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Looks like you've been visiting some of these cities hehe... if u go to a disco or club in Bucharest u'll think ur at a fashion show ;)

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so if i understand you correctly, you are saying that hosts feel more free to tell a guy to go to hell here than in real life, because there are really no bad consequences. that is a good thing i would say. but also as you say a 'bad' attitude can put a viewer off quickly maybe? and what country are you from where all women look like models? i want to move there, or at least vacation there.

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I concurrr!

"especially that in my country all young women look like models"
You are russian
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:)Yes i agree with you. Sometimes is the other way : webcaming boosts your self esteem regarding the way you look.
In the end...all this horny men telling me I look like a goddess ( they would say anything to get into my pants,ofc ) makes me think sometimes ,i may actually look a little like a goddess. :D

u mean that hosts who failed the contests all have bad attitude, thats why they didnt win? I dont think so really, can be other reasons.

did not mean hosts who lost contest have a bad attitude. getting into the top 50 they would have to have some kind of regular customers probably, and from there it was all pure luck.

Beauty is fleeting...just go to your high school reunions after a few years. Age, motherhood, work, responsbilities, stress, gravity, genetics...all take their toll in short order. I think many of the girls are smart enough to realize that they are idolized here more than in the real world...and many of them realize that physical beauty is fleeting but while it lasts they are going to make some money with it. I think the pursuit of youth is the main reason members come here. The freshness and desireability of young attractive women is like a drug. If you wonder if the girls realize that beauty is fragile just stay for a while and see the huge turnover in hosts over a period of years. Those beautiful girls of the past...and there were so many...have moved on..hopefully to better things but to things that do not rely solely on their physical appearance.

I hate to burst your bubble with your theory but there is a high level of interest in mature women who are very attractive and have taken good care of themselves despite the elements of child bearing, etc. that you speak of. This interest is not only on cam sites from younger males but also men similar age and in real life as well.
I assume you are an older man and lust for the look of the younger girl opposed to a woman but do not assume to speak for all because I am here to tell you that it certainly is not the case :) It could be a trend but it is certainly much more common than you are aware of.

thank you :)

Your welcome! Also, I was going to mention that I have no facial or body enhancements or surgeries but many of the young top hosts under 30 do so is it natural beauty or is cosmetic beauty that the older gentlemen like So is referring to that appeals to them so much?

I agree with the general idea that a good personality and attitude helps a chathost have success, but I disagree with how they get to that point. The way I read your post, you seem to be saying that a chathost sits back, calculates what type of attitude she needs to have and then proceeds to display that attitude here. That is basically saying a chathost can be fake and succeed and seems contrary to what your real point is, namely a good personality and attitude helps a chathost succeed.

In my view, a good attitude and personality, be it real or fake, works on CC. The key is giving the viewer what he wants, and if fake, then simply being good at hiding who you really are.

There are plenty of popular hosts here who are fake. Some of them are my friends since they are their real selves with me and don't take things too far in terms of hurting guys as far as I know and some of them I despise because I learn one way or another that they are royal bullshit artists, that in some cases, have really hurt members. Many of these hosts have had a lot of success during contests by the way so being fake works, just as long as the member doesn't know it.

Fortunately, however, being your real self can work too for a host as long as that real self is a woman with a good heart. There are plenty of them on this site too, and some have a lot of success here.

Unfortunately, if I was going to do some type of unscientific analysis, I would conclude that the fake ones outperform the real ones in my personal opinion, but once again, they both have once thing in common: having a personality that appeals to members in one way or another. Looks can attract a guy, but unless he wants to just play, he is only going to stick around so long especially when he is online and can just jump to another room. But while I agree with the general idea that hosts with good personalities do well here, that doesn't mean that all of these hosts are being genuine. Some of them are just acting and give a member what they want, and some of them can be quite cruel and manipulative by being sweet as opposed to being some type of dungeon host.

Also, I think you need to give members credit too. Some members can bring out the best in a host and get her to open up to him. From there, the relationship can grow which can mean he visits her more often and she has more success here. The member can see something inside of the host that draws him to her. Of course, sometimes this is a bit superficial such as an older guy having a sort of paternal instinct to take care of a younger host and she warms to him, but other times it can be two equals and it is simply a case where the member knows how to get a person to open up to him when he sees something that he likes. That doesn't mean he likes shy hosts, necessarily. Instead, it could be that a host just has a lot of interesting things to talk about, and the member knows how to ask the right questions, show that he's really interested, et cetera. I am not sure that I am explaining that correctly, but what I am trying to say is that a woman's attraction to a man's personality can in turn lead her to be a better host, not just the other way around, and sometimes what gets things rolling is the man reaching out to the woman with a comment such as "Wow. You're studying x. I've always been interested in x. Tell me more."

The bottom line is that there are many ways for a host to succeed here. But always remember that guys will usually at least as a first step be drawn to looks. That doesn't mean the host needs to be a goddess... She can just have a sweet smile, for example. But it is almost about how the host looks at first that gets the guy's attention. Keeping the member coming, as opposed to cumming, lol, can be more about the personality as you say. Once again, however, that doesn't mean that the host is being her true, genuine self. It still can just all be an act, albeit a very good one. And also, the member's approach is a big factor too.

Hope that all made sense. Usually my posts are long, but I do a better job of explaining myself. This issue is a bit more tricky with so many factors so it was harder.

I did not read your comments
Just want to say: I don`t have the time, it`s always too looooooong

You got that right, hoss!

Yeah,,,, They are long. And this one barely made sense, lol. Sorry. I had some good thoughts in there but I couldn't bring them together and just flamed out.

Ah, but you keep your sense of humor. That's good.

Sleep on it next time; you might find all kinds of thing to cut out. LOL.

"The key is giving the viewer what he wants"

Long post but those 9 words said it all. Case closed.

I actually have to struggle a little to find someone so gorgeous that i want to pvt based on that alone. Most all are attractive, even very attractive sure, but not very many are truly gorgeous to me. But there are other reasons i'd pvt or like someone here beyond just looks.
Different strokes make the world go 'round though

Just take a look at the last contest winners They are all shapes,ages,weights and personalities . Form dominatrixs, to average girls that charge 5$ without stripping, shy girls and some sweethearts .
The truth is being a successful host is a relative thing which involves a mixture of personality ( first of all!) ,english skills,some psychological intuition( what the public wants and what makes it stick with you),beauty,the will to strip and sometimes break the boarders of your ''safety'' zone ,many many many....hours spent online,experience,aesthetic taste( how to pose for the cam,lights quality etc) and lots of luck.
''Beautiful and pussy'' just, as the post below says, is rarely enough.

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The Dominatrix have a huge advantage with tons of money slaves

I doubt;because slaves are rarely the competitive type ;) But any domina is welcomed to contradict me. I am not experienced in this matter.

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....Or does money buy the beauty which is so true for many of the top hosts here. It is sad that they feel that they aren't adequate as they are and have facial enhancements, breast implants, butt implants, botox etc. and they are young girls not even 30 yet! Is that stunning beauty or is that buying beauty to be on a porn site?? It is much more common than most know.....

lol. I've often had that thought. Not saying all the girls here get rich or anything. Happy to pay for your time.:)

depends what you mean by privacy...maybe it means their private life...or maybe it means things they do in one to one video...

for myself privacy is what I do in one to one when I am being sexual....and privacy also means my private life....

She can block certain areas, viewers and some won't reveal unless they can see the other on cam. Many times hosts don't show her face on profile pic. So there are several ways to keep her privacy from family, friends or viewers that she doesn't want to see her.
Think I have a suspicion who is asking...

its so she can block stalkers family members seeing her kitty .

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"If anyone can see me, there's no privacy." I completely agree. Although viewers do have the option of being totally anonymous should they choose. However I've heard many choose to share their cam, share photos of self, family, home, work and all kinds of things. Their choice not mine. But then the member is the one paying.

Thanks to all who replied.

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HEY i seen that vagina before!

Remember hosts are not vieweable in their home countries and other places where they might have relatives and friends. Most girls work here because their work here is unknown to their family and friends in many cases. They remain annoymous to members. They can give you a name, a history, a city but it may or may not be accurate and even if it is...they will never see you again after they leave CC. That gives them a comfort level that to appear here keeps their identity private from those they care about. Some hosts will not show their faces in profile pics and some even will not appear naked while their face is showing...

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sooo if a host was not in the top 10 for the last 4 days then she wont have a chance...because if they do those who have been in the top 10 for the 4 days ...that means that it will be more of a chance for those who already won

so that means that if a host was not in the top 10 for most of the 4 days then she is toast...so it works out to about the same...loool

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I remember last year it was all people from top 50 from all the days were in the grand prize draw, I'm sure that's how they will do it this year too.

why u send to cc such emails.? i think they know better than u sweety:) how to do. hugzz

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There are many hosts who do not have photoshop pictures all the time that are not winners....

You can't go by the winners. You need to look at the top 50, see what place they were in on the list, and do some type of analysis to determine if photoshop has anything to do with whom members play with. All the winners tell you is which of the top 50 were chosen, but they could have been the bottom 20 for all you know.

The only thing I noticed when going over the top 50 on day 3, and I imagine it was the same the other days, is at least 80% were soft core or dungeon. This is understandable because guys are more likely to just chat with these hosts so these hosts end up with more regulars. Nevertheless, it felt like a disturbing trend in that it encourages hosts to focus more on talk and less on action, I knew glamour and dungeon had taken over CC, but I never knew it was that bad lol.

that is a bit unfair to say and assume... there are those of us that do more than just chat....

just because I am in little shy category, does not mean that I do not have a wild side. :)

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what is bad about , if someone won several days in a row? if 1 girl won 250 for a 4 days and other 1000 in a one day. maybe if it is were u ,then u would not tell this things :) i realy beleive that thouse who trying hard and have a lot of videos- deserve to win :)

"just because I am in little shy category, does not mean that I do not have a wild side. :)"

Yes it does.

No it does not...

I have a very healthy wild side...what gives you the right to tell me that I don't when you obviously have not spent any time to find out...loool ..

You are right. I am sure that that is also the case with most of the soft core hosts that made it into the top 50.

"Nevertheless, it felt like a disturbing trend in that it encourages hosts to focus more on talk and less on action, I knew glamour and dungeon had taken over CC, but I never knew it was that bad lol."


Amen my brother

As members always say....it's supply and demand. If the viewers enjoy softcore hosts more then that is the way it is....who are you to judge.

I agree, this is "Money Slave and Sissy Boy Central"

So gentlemen that like to get to know a host and slowly seduce her and enjoy her beauty are all sissy boys....lol. If anything it seems like the shy categories are attracting gentlemen which is what softcore is all about not hardcore with a click. :) Good Luck
I guess only the shy hosts would know the viewers they attract....

I love to chat with softcore hosts. They are very lovely and smart. And they all tell me most of their customers are sissy boys and money slaves. Maybe they lie, but that's what they tell me.

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I don't think category matters. Women are masters at making men their slaves in one way or another. It has happened to all of us. :(

and men are not masters in getting what they want from women or turn them into slaves??????:o....or am i the last dreamer??:)))))).i'm a woman btw and still looking for the TAMER of my life:p and Moonlit Knight i should hire u for writting my personal bio-man' u write novels here:))))).we can become very rich together:p

well at this moment a sub from dungeon is top, although it won't last but kinda blows your slave theory out the water.

The only subs in Dungeon are the viewers. As Moonlit Night pointed out in another thread, dominas/dominarix own this site.

This is "Sissy Boy Central"

if you think 22sunny is a dom (which was the host leading at that time) then you know very little about that category

Yes. I have heard this from a host friend. Also, I believe that only the first member into video can play so that could be part of the problem too.

Maybe going to the home page of the affiliate will tell you if the contest is available there.

Hi, yeah you can only play the game on CC!

thank you...so it is like last year...if member did not register directly through cc then they can not play the game...that does not really sound fair seeing as they spend just as much money as members who have registered directly through the cc link...

thank you for responding...have a great time and good look with the contest...

Actually it makes sense because the affiliate site viewers get a discount as you will see in your revenue page so why should they benefit from the contests? Ask them to join CC directly and use your name as referred by. They probably to pay the same amount in the end but the other site takes their cut too.

they are on cc...but they used an affliliate to join....and it was one member in one to one...and the option to play did not come up which has happened with other members who register through an affiliate and not directly using only the cc link thanks again...

I am not sure if this is what you mean but you can register an account on an affiliate and then log into CC itself. That might be causing a problem. The system might not recognize the account as eligible for participating in the contest even though it is being used on CC since it was not created on CC and was instead created on the affiliate.

If the issue is an account was created on CC and the member enters when nobody else is already there, then contact CC. That member should be able to participate in the contest. Just make sure the member didn't enter the moment another member left so that the system thought he was the second member into chat and therefore not eligible to play at that moment. But if nobody else is around and he keep going in and out of a host's video session without success and the account was created on CC, then something is wrong and once again, contact CC.

I think you don't have all the details of how it works with affiliate sites which I describe above.

I will be the first to tell you that I don't have all the details on this issue. I am just going by what hosts tell me and making an educated guess. That is why I say things like "might".

Which is your post? If it is "oops and", I wasn't clear about what you were saying. That is why I responded in hopes of clarifying. But if I misunderstood, please let me know.

Thank you Host that explains it....when this happen last year ....cc did not explain it that way...so now it makes much more sense and I understand thank you .... :)

and thank you to Moonlit Knight...but as I said it was only one person...so others being in or out had nothing to do with it...and the problem is that they registered with cc using an affliliate site that is why we make less when it is an affliate site to begin with... :)

have a great weekend everyone :)

All the viewers on CamContacts can play the game regardless of if they have an affiliate referrer or not!

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Unquestionably there is a special appeal to many of the glamour hosts...keeping in mind several have identies in more adult categories as well. I am not going to get into a which category has the best girls but for me...glamour always yields the girl next door look I am looking form.

So who are they these 13 stars?

Sorry I meant 13 5 star girls, lol

And most don't use toys or other forms of entertainment that many guys think is necessary to be a good host or at least the ones that post here. There is a certain mystique about a host that takes care of herself and presents a glamourous appeal. It's not all about nudity and toys.

Forget the profile...they can be totally 180 degrees opposite of what the host does in video...you should ask...specifically...what she does and what you expect ...and get a yes...not a vague answer before you go in. Do that and you should not be disappointed unless you have erectile dysfunction...

You need to do a better job at legal research or you will be sued for malpractice. See my post below:


RE: Honest Question for all categories...but mostly for members and hosts in not so shy category . 09/Nov/2011 07:40 (GMT).

It is the 17th line of that thread and a response to "??". You can't just go by category descriptions. I show you the fine print in my post.

Well I never claimed to be a lawyer. And yes I know that is the unwritten rules you refer to. But going by cc guidelines, its easy to understand why there is often much confusion.

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"Unfortunately it has only become an issue with hosts twisting the rules for those categories over the last couple of months"

Actually its going on for years. And yes I think in many cases its the studio bosses that are at fault.

I have actually been here for over 2 years and I have never seen these issues written in forum before so I don't where you get your information but I suggest you look back!

I've been a member since 2000 and there have been many post in viewer forum over time and I have experienced these issues in many pvts I've gone into in NSS and IA.

Interesting. Thanks for the info.

I once told CC to make it more clear to hosts what the rules were instead of having them appear one time. Then they told me that they appear each time a host starts her session. I took that to mean each time a member enters video and basically responded if they are that obvious, then give a host one warning and ban her after that since she clearly is ignoring the rules on purpose. Then they made me think it wasn't quite as obvious so I guess they are a bit more hidden like you said.

What I proposed was that they make the rules pop up just like when it says "Restricted Session: Topless Only", for example, to stop all this nonsense. I also said to put them in all the major languages used here where the other rules are. Other than hosts having connection issues, telling me to go 121 in little shy for nudity is my number one complaint yet this issue has yet to be adequately addressed in my view.

It is interesting to learn that the rules are in fact available like you said. Still, I would make them even more obvious to stop the rule breakers. The rules should be right in their face so they have no more excuses.

i meant that i hate being told to go 121 in not so shy... not that i like it in little shy either... freudian typo lol

LOL ok then you'll understand my reply before reading this.

Your comment: telling me to go 121 in little shy for nudity is my number one complaint yet this issue has yet to be adequately addressed in my view.

Why would a shy host want to be nude in open for all viewers? I personally will not! It is my choice to get nude and I am a softcore host and the rules support that. If I chose nudity in open then that would be in NSS which I am not. If a man wants me to get nude and I agree to it ....it would only be with the two of us and not many viewers. So why does that bother you and where do you see that I am required to do nudity outside of a private with one member?

You stole my name! You are a thief!!!

Sure you're not a lawyer? :P

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Cos she's nice and I like her

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im nice too,and many love me,and what? =))

Thank you my dear and thanks for taking a pick with me.I think we both lucky in so many different ways,no ;)?

I always thought that would be a good idea as well

maybe they should add everything possible and make everything optional so every chathost can design the room just as they would like it *sarcasm*

I actually agree with that

this is good only for members who want to see action without pay too much

I agree with that!

profit without having to chat or fulfill specific requests from those only viewing.....profit from members who can't complain to cc about broken promises and go begging for refunds. sounds like it would have its pluses for hosts too.

Yes there are many benefits for hosts. Thanks for pointing some out

that would be majority of the members here....looool...

I know a host who works elsewhere ..she says she makes an extra 200 dollars a month just off 10 second peeps.. it adds up.. I mean what can a guy really see in 10 seconds, other than you might just be chatting..a good reason not to join, or doing a show..a good reason to join and have fun too.. I can understand your not wishing it..I mean why fix whats not broken..but something that might make you and the site more revenue? can it really be all that bad?

$200/month off 10 second spying? Hmmm. Guess hosts should be for it if they can turn it off.

I guess guys just like peeping and that explains why they jump in and out for 10 seconds all the time when I am in open. I just wish that stupid sound wouldn't happen. Then it wouldn't bother me.

I think that if this was ever done, not that I, as a member, would ever suggest changing anything here, lol, that besides allowing the host to disable the voyeur feature, it should only be for 121 sessions, and that the price should be the same as the host's open session price.

I think that setting things up this way would preserve the economic structure of CC, otherwise, there could be unintended consequences that hosts and/or members might not like. For example, it is possible that hosts would make less money as a lot of guys willing to pay for open started to spy, presumably at a price less than the open price or why spy?. Guys right now have the option of open and 121, but those picking open might just spy instead. Then, in turn, hosts might start raising prices to compensate for this which would increase her open price and 121 price. Or maybe everyone would just disable the feature and so it would become pointless.

I don't know if that is exactly what would happen, but I think it would throw everything out of whack if things were done differently. If members could spy on open, just as "host" said, it is ultimately going to be a feature used by members just to save money and other members would end up paying the price for this. Keep spying for 121 only and do it at the open price, and everything should remain about about the same assuming that hosts that only strip in 121 typically turned off the feature. In fact, maybe it should be just a hard core feature just like hi lo isn't available for IA since if you are really shy or only want certain guys to see you naked, why in the world would you turn on the voyeur feature anyway?

Anyway, I really am not sure about all the potential consequences here. The one site I liked seeing this feature on is a site that has the equivalent of open and 121, but hosts can reject open or 121, and most top hosts reject open most of the time. That leave viewers with the choice of 121, which is very expensive on that site, or spying at a more reasonable price that is higher than the open price so I think spying works there. Plus, it is a site where 90% of open and 121 shows are about sex so the spy knows what to expect unlike on CC where a lot of chatting occurs.

On another site that has this feature, things are bit differently and the spy price is for bunches of hosts at varying prices, some of whom might actually charge a price right around the spy price. It really makes no sense to me and I don't like it.

I would be interested in your experiences where you have seen this work in a positive way for hosts and members. It seems pretty good on the site where the host can reject open and accept only 121, and spying is only available for 121. Given that hosts can't reject open on CC, I think that the spy feature should also be limited to 121 to preserve the pricing structure as I said, but I would be interested in your experiences.

Voyeur view or spying could work here or anywhere. Just set one low price and limit spying to 1 minute at let's day $2 per. Its extra money for cc and the hosts and as pointed out no viewer could ever complain a host did not do what he asked since he has no way to communicate with her. Its a good preview for members and extra money for the hosts.

And any host can disable the feature at any time. And no one i forcing the member to use it. Sound and c2c are available to all but no one is forced to use either. And these services do not generate any revenue for cc or the host. Voyeur View/Spy does generate income.

I am not sure what can really be gained by a one minute spy feature. It seems kind of pointless. The member might as well just pop into open and jump out like they seem to do now all the time, lol.

As for the idea of $2, at that price, I think it would rarely be used. Most hosts have prices for open that are no more than that, and it seems pointless to pay anything over the open price to spy for one minute. Yes, if spying on 121, you might have a better chance at seeing the host naked, but so many guys just chat, is it really worth continually spying over and over again just to hope you get to see more?

I know that "wonder" bras that push everything up, lol, make it harder to judge how a host really looks when naked, and I know that archive pics are not always accurate, but I just don't see a $2, one minute spy feature working. I just assume enter open, say hi, and see her that way. If it was something like 50% to 75% of the session that you were spying on, that might make a bit more sense.

Anyway, after thinking about it more, as I indicated in another post, I am starting to think that spying wouldn't work well because of how things work on CC. I guess it would save me from the situation that "So" described where the host looked so bad that you just want to run, but that is what the ringer on my phone is for ("sorry, phone call. gotta go", lol) But even then, unless you are the first guy into open, you don't really need to say anything and can just run without being rude.

It would be nice to cut down on the incoming contacts/goodbye thing that I hate in open, but I just don't see spying having much other use the way you are setting it up. Hmmmm. I sure hope that I don't have bad taste and that is why everyone keeps leaving open 2 seconds after they get there when I have a session. :p

I just threw out the $2 figure, it could $1 or whatever. Again I know you have posted that you enjoy c2c, but not everyone does. Trust me voyeur view/spy generates income. If not why do most cam sites have it? Its all about more choices. The girls in softcore can choose to get naked or not. All hosts can choose to use Voyeur view/spy or not.

So on this topic we disagree, but we have done so without any personal attacks. I think that's the way it should always be in this forum.

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Actually, on the site that I have seen spying work on there are two types of privates: one where spying is allowed and a more expensive one where is it not allowed. Things seem to work well, especially for popular hosts that can say if you want to see my best show, take me to the more expensive private where nobody can spy.

Here, of course, there is one kind of private. But the proposal is for the host to be able to turn off spying so your concerns have been addressed. She wouldn't have to worry about who else is watching.

As for the member not wanting anyone to watch since he is paying, while I can't speak for all members, I wouldn't worry about spying too much since the host would be only talking to me in 121. The only thing that might bother me is that another guy would be taking advantage of my paying a higher price and able to see the same show at a lower price. Perhaps the member could ask the host to turn spying off too in such a case and there would be a way to see that spying was disabled. Of course, it seems that the original poster just wanted a one minute long spy feature so the fact that I was paying more wouldn't bother me too much.

Thinking it through a bit more, I am starting to think that because of how CC is set up that maybe spying is a bad idea, however. I guess guys will just have to keep popping into open and leaving 2 seconds later to spy, lol. Such is life.

Well, you made some good points in your post and got me thinking. I appreciate that. It would be nice if you appreciate others' perspectives as well. Even in this post that you just made, you seem not to be able to do that. Still, you made a good point so I will look at the forest instead of the trees.

I have noticed that anytime a member comes up with a new plan that he has utilized at another site and thinks it is a great idea for members and hosts as well, that he never really understands the impact that it truly has on hosts. Obviously this has been brought up many times and it seems very apparent that some members who like the peeping ability would love the option. I am perfectly aware of what site he is referring to that already has this option and quite honestly that site shows little respect for the hosts and what they require of them. Even as far as what percentage they pay them. It is often brought up by hosts of why CC is clearly their choice and it always comes down to those reasons. CC treats their hosts and members with respect and they don't implement every idea that comes from other sites for good reasons. They understand the hosts position better than any member does and they also respect the fact that hosts quite often want to be anonymous. I appreciate that they offer many options to protect a hosts identity that the other sites do not. For the hosts that want maximum exposure it is also available.
I personally feel that is what makes CC a much better site.
It is easy to look at options other sites have and think it would be great to implement them here but CC does a good job of balancing what is best for all concerned. I also see hosts request options from other sites and yet is up to CC to see things as a whole and I think they see how members could be offended. So it works both ways and a lot of thought goes into the changes they make before they take the leap. Off the top of my head I can think of at least 10 reasons why CC is a much better site to work at and I also hear from members why they prefer CC over other sites.
As far as not considering the points and advantages the original poster has made, it simply is not the case. I understand how he sees from his perspective of how simple it is for all but there are many things that are not in his equation and members would not understand the importance.
I think your reaction to some of the things that I pointed out was a perfect example of how there are many considerations that members can't know when they come up with an idea. I appreciate your comments.

It takes quite a bit of effort to do anything anonymously on the internet. it has to be a consideration that what a host does here can possibly be found out by anyone. every host here should realize and make peace with that fact.

I think it is a great idea but I think it would cost some hosts and CC money so no go. Thinking back over the hundred and hundreds of videos I have done...a good number lasted less than a minute. Generally because the host was not what I expected...by a long shot. I would enter..look...gasp...tell the host she looked great but I had to go...thanked her and left. Many many times. Those ad up for hosts and when a host makes money...CC makes money.

"Thinking back over the hundred and hundreds of videos I have done...a good number lasted less than a minute. Generally because the host was not what I expected."

With voyeur view/spy all of this could have been avoided. Girls are constantly complaining about 1 minute men. This feature would go a long way in ending these kinds of complaints. And once again any host could disable this feature at any time.

I am aware of the site you are referring to and there are certainly the same complaints from hosts about the one minute viewers. The members do not read the forums that are for hosts only so for that reason you are not aware that it still exists.

is it only members who go to free chat, make arrangements for what they want in video and then leave video quickly that are a bother? or is it those who jump into video for a minute to see what's what and then leave that are a bother too? because that second kind seem to me like nothing but an easy bit of change for doing absolutely nothing - which is a good thing, i would think.

If viewers see me when I'm unaware they will never come to my videochat. I tend to make myself comfortable watching tv or reading something and don't stay with a big grin all the time, they might think i'm sad or bored, which is often the case until someone pops in video and the money starts rolling in. So these few pennies would probably ruin my chances for making the big bucks. Just my opinion. On another site this is called keyholes and yes I opted out from it after a few months :)

I agree with host....if we do not know we are being seen then members wont want to do our video cos we I too do other things till someone comes to video or into my chat room...and on other places that had the option I did not use it either...

not only that...but it would open the door for members to spy on a host and then get pissed off cos the host did something with someone that they not do with that person....as it is now there are some members on here that use another name to do the same thing....and yes it does happen...and has happened more than a couple of times....and the member gets jealous cos of what he saw...and then he uses that to give all kinds of problems or he posts about it out of jealousy...and yes that does happen and has happened too..

Perhaps the solution would be that it only worked if someone was already in video with you. But if it as introduced I would prefer the option that either the host or the member have the ability to switch it off at no extra cost.

Yes I agree completely. The feature would have to be voluntary for both host and viewer, just as c2c and sound are now. And yes on active when a host i live in pvt.

one to one video should be just that..one to one...members pay a lot of money for that one to one option..and so they should be able to enjoy that privacy with the host.....

and for myself personally, if I think someone else is watching...then there is no way that I would do some of the things that I do in one to one video.

I pick little shy category so that when I do feel frisky...and I am in a one to one with someone I feel vulnerable as it is...so if I have to be worrying about others watching what I am doing then there is no way I would feel comfortable enough to let myself go....

one to one is for privacy between one member and one host..I am not a person that feels comfortable doing certain things in open session with a bunch of people watching...so when I am feeling frisky to do more...that frisky will be gone if there is a chance that someone else or many someone elses are watching...and the members that pay to come and see me do not pay me because I pretend to be aroused but because I am aroused....

contrary to what many post on here....NOT all hosts fake their arousal....

always lots of resistance from hosts on this issue but surprised to hear resistance from members. bottom line is it is a money maker for hosts. most of my sessions with new hosts (host I did not see before) come from voyeur or free chat.

I agree 100%. And it is completely voluntary for both host and viewer. The same as we have for c2c and sound, but this feature is a money maker for the site and for hosts if they choose to use it.

Why would anyone want to ban something that is completely voluntary to both parties? How would all these hosts feel if I suggested we ban c2c and sound in pvt? I never use either. But why should I decide for everyone else? Its the same for voyeur viewer/spy, it is VOLUNTARY.

if u wanted to ban sound and c2c that is fine with me..lool...we are not deciding for everyone ...we are simply saying what we think just like you are pushing for it we are only saying how each of us feel....so it is not fair to accuse of us trying to speak for everyone....if cc decides to do it that is their choice...

Obviously there are many reasons why hosts resist it that are not being considered by a member. Most of the hosts are aware of the site that you are referring to and that is why they are on CC :))

All 12 sites I go to have it in one form or another except here.

So why in the world are you pushing it here? Don't you have enough options at other sites? Maybe there is a host that has you blocked that is here and you could peep or perhaps you think it would be cheaper here?
It's is not common sense to push it here. Member and hosts privacy are very important here which is a good thing!

"Member and hosts privacy are very important here which is a good thing!"

A member has total privacy is he so chooses, a host gives up her privacy to become a cam girl here or anywhere. And there are a great many of cc girls on other sites. I know, I see them there and so do other members.

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20 ? its say 10 only host and 10 members..

Yes it has now been changed to 20 :) More chances for us to win!

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But instead of $5 spent in pvt, it is now $10 to play.

guess who's paying for the prizes (lol)

That is tooooo funny.....LOL

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I'm guessing her definition of the term "hardcore" is simply a bit more extreme than the mere "full and explicit nudity" expected of her category. kudos to you for "checking the Chathost's profile to see what you can expect from her show" though. Way to be a Pepper, dude.

I like the profiles where the host likes anything that keeps the member in video longer..."I don't like to be rushed", "The heat has to build", "I like to chat and get to know you before...." I hate men who leave without saying goodbye. On and On....so many of the profiles are designed to draw out the video...it is a business.

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I don't know what category you are in but non of my viewers treat me like a sexual server the way you describe but in case you didn't notice this site is about sex and the hosts here are the providers in exchange for money. If you can't handle that then I would say you probably don't belong here as a bitter host that treats members as you describe. The ones that do come must enjoy your attitude....would be pretty hard to hide that.
If you resent being a "sexual server" then why don't you find another form of income that doesn't make you feel that way. I am sexy and sensual and I enjoy sharing that here.

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Respected Host gave her opinion. And I happen to share that opinion. Over the years I have come across several hosts that were ill suited for this business. Nothing wrong with that, the business is not for everyone.

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You don't need to defend the comments that "T" made. It is always bashing at members and I certainly have the right to speak up as a host too. Any host that is here and resents it should move on rather than to bash members constantly. Not all hosts have that attitude and it reflects badly on them. We all the right to speak out true but it serves no good to make sarcastic nasty comments to members in general.

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You must be "T"s studio boss....who wound you us?

T made a negative sarcastic comment directed at members. There was nothing ironical or humorous when it is directed at all members in general.

I don't appreciate it and I see these posts here often so it is easy to assume that that person is not happy with the members that they have had as viewers.

If I don't think it is ironical I am sure others could see it the same and members are the ones that pay to see hosts. I don't think that most come here for abuse!

Now calm down.....

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Certainly no joking but bashing.

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Maybe you missed the first question in chathost FAQ.

1. Can I make money from this ... ?

YES! ..lots of it and with great ease! There are many people on the Net who are earning in excess of $2,000 every week displaying their more exhibitionist side part-time.

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I was reaffirming what you posted "we're here for money "

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You mean long-term/marriage hosts really aren't looking for husbands and boyfriends and are here for the money? Say it isn't so!!! Say it isn't so!!! :(((((((((((((((((( :p

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I like the profiles, one in particular, that are copied over and over and over again by other hosts. I don't who had this one particular profile first, but she should get royalty fees from all others that use it.

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Definitely a great fighter that didn't get enough respect because of Ali's depiction of him. Probably in or close to top 5 of all time from what I hear experts say. It's a shame that he has to go out that way. R.I.P.

Man... Bad few days in PA. Frazier dies, Penn State, Steelers lose, Eagles lose.

I wonder what happened to the Knockouts....he tried a short lived singing career...he would sing/rap accompanied by a back up group of ladies who would also dance around in hot pants....the Knockouts. Probably working on CC.

LOL. Would you want them to say something like "Don’t worry; if you want to just SPANK THE MONKEY, you don’t need to play the game straight away."?

Oh okay, you seem to prefer the direct approach...
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I agree 100%. I always spend far more in pvt when I chat than when I simply watch and wank.

The site has morphed over the years from a show site to mostly a chat site. I have favs here that I chat with here and see them do shows on other sites.

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My guess is you still need a member's participation to some degree, to select a "box" or whatever...

So don't distract him too much! :P

The "boxes" I would pick are not contest related, lol.

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Chatting with hosts distinquishes CC from all the other 121 cam sites. If you have ever seen them they are awful. The host is always on. She is being bombarded by free chat by dozens of men. Most of it is crass, insulting and stupid. Eventually the girl will disappear and be in a video...but don't worry...she is usally back in a matter of a couple of minutes. Those sites seem to feature short expensive videos. So..forget about getting to know a host or find anything meaningful about her (truth or lie)....not a pleasant experience for the member and I doubt the girls like always being on....

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true but they have free chat and i get most of my long tern faves from free.

They may be awful in your opinion, but the reality is those sites are much larger than this and have far more members. So speaking in general terms, it appears you have the minority opinion.

And if the majority opinion = the lowest common denominator, I'm with Mr. So, squarely in the minority.

Nice job. "tisme can retire now, lol.

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I thought people in jobs have no cash and very little hope lol

but you still have old jokes to recycle((

Oh i'm sorry you could not enjoy the humor. It was new to me, I did not know they were old jokes. Please forgive me for trying to lighten up the place. I'm very sorry, and won't try to do it again.

In open session you do a general show or strip without special requests. If they want your undivided attention to a show the way that they request then they should take you to 121 without interruption from other members after the other member leaves the room.
You can't possibly please all in open so why try? Do your typical show how you feel comfortable and tell them there are others in the room also. Also, politely tell them that you take special requests in 121. That is the way I do it and sometimes they come back and take me to private or they stay and watch and then take me private after others leave. I always tell the first one that comes in that since he is the only one in the room that you will take his requests but if others come in then you will need to entertain all at once. They are pleased with knowing the rules and also you make a lot more money by not choosing favorites. If someone wants your undivided attention whether it be chat or a special request it is not reasonable in open ignoring others that come in.
I honestly think that is how it was designed. No where does it say in open that the first member should get priority. That is ridiculous because hosts would lose money that way and so would CC.

if a member enters an open session with you - if he's the only one there - would you consider it rude if the one and only thing he said was something along the lines of, 'typical show, please - and make it snappy'?

LMAO. Guys talk like that? Who says snappy other than some rich jerk on a television show?

And while you didn't ask me, it seems rude. The guy should say something like he prefers a very fast strip and to see various positions, or if he is a regular, to say to do what you usually do, not "typical show, make it snappy". Of course, some hosts don't like the idea of fast strips since they think a guy will leave in 2 minutes so I guess even asking nicely can cause a problem so I would save a request like that for hard core or with a host I knew well.

yes there are members that speak that way...and

When a member ask if I strip in a session..and I will say yes ..and some are nice and say that they not have a lot of time so can the strip be done rather quickly and sometimes it is a regular that usually stays a long time but who is just short on time that particular time....I do not mind if a member wants to have fast strip as long as he is not rude about it...I will not tell a member to get lost just because he is not going to spend a long time in video...because often that same member will come back and he will spend more time than he did that time....there are even times when a member will say after the show is done...thank you for doing as I asked and then he does come back and spend longer in video...some members will do that as a test to see if the host is worth doing longer shows...

You should realise that there are people arond the world who learn their English from what they hear on TV shows. So yes there are guys who talk like that.

I don't think I would answer that request and I would entertain him like I would if there were many in an open session. If he made other comments that were not rude then I would answer politely.

point being that if a member just wants a generic show, he should expect that you get to it without delay and without the need for chit chat and small talk or any talk at all. cool, you're awesome.

Good answer. You should have posted your screen name. It would have been good for business. :)

The only thing I would perhaps change is that instead of doing her "usual" open show, she should probably do a slower strip since the first guy asked for it and let the second guy know it will be a few minutes while she does a strip dance for the first guy. As long as the second guy knows the clothes will definitely be coming off in a couple minutes without a lot of chatting in between, I think he would probably stick around.

Maybe I am wrong, but it seem like this situation isn't really a problem. If we are talking about a colombian host style strip which can take about 10 minutes minimum, lol, then maybe there could be a conflict. But I find it difficult to imagine that a sexy strip lasting 3 to 5 minutes would upset a guy wanting nudity right away. Like I said, if the second guy knew you weren't stalling and you told him that the first guy wanted a bit slower strip, I think he would be okay with it, and if not, he probably is the two minute man hosts hate anyway so I wouldn't worry too much other than the risk of 1 star.

A host can also compromise a bit a do a bit faster strip than the slowww strip the first guy asked for. I think a more problematic situation would be were the first guy said show doggy and the second guy said show breasts since that could be a little difficult, lol. I think that you still should defer to the first guy, but perhaps switch positions a little faster than you otherwise might.

But the key is to let both guys know there are two guys there and try to fulfill as many requests as you can. Unless one guy wants just doggy for 20 minutes and the other wants just a zoom on breasts for 20 minutes or something like that, it shouldn't be too difficult. Ultimately though, I would lean towards the first guy's requests since you might end up upsetting two guys instead of just one if you do your "usual" show.

and shouldn't a host keep all in open informed of the exact number of members present too? just to give some idea of how long the line is of waiting requests are and how long it might take for them to be filled?

I think it is up to a host to have a show that is her typical show. If one wants fast then I would probably give him my typical show anyway. Girls aren't robots and if he likes one faster then I am sure there is a host that has a faster show. If a member is asking for a slower show then I know that he wants something more sensual so if I can do that then I would try to accommodate. The point is when a host is in an open session it is pretty well up to her to just entertain and for the most part members should take or leave it. If someone wants doggy for 20 minutes then he needs 121. If he wants to chat and I am in hardcore that doesn't entertain all in open and so he needs to do 121 or watch the general show that entertains all coming into the room in open. In open no one gets exclusive entertainment from the host....it is open for all members to see a show. If she incorporates some suggestions into her show in open that is fine but special requests for one member should be in 121. That is why they have that option. I am just sexy and entertain in open session so anyone entering feels welcome and entertained.

Yes exactly...the first person in there was alone when making the request ...so yes I would do what he asked and I would tell the second one that came in after this is what the person asked for before you came in...and I would say it politely...

I think you are forgetting...that I said in the not so shy category...and you are not allowed to say go one to one if asked to get nude...

so then the member that started out in your open session and that you agreed to do the slow strip for is screwed because when you agreed to do it he was the only one in there so if a another jumps in and says strip faster...your going to tell the first guy sorry but your request and what you agreed to do ....dont matter no more because now another is in here and you should have gone to one to one...even tho you agreed to do the slow strip...seems unfair to the one that was in there before the other one barges in....

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Based on my interaction with CC support, in not so shy, she probably needs to start to strip within the first 5 minutes although that doesn't mean she couldn't take a few minutes to be completely naked. But if she isn't starting the strip by 5 minutes and completely naked within 10 minutes at most, I think she could have a problem unless the member was okay with this.

As for the chair, I haven't seen that one yet, lol. I've seen a host humping a bed post at the foot of her bed for all to see in free chat on another site, but never a chair, I will have to ask her if she does chairs too, lol.

Don't guys get off on just seeing a sexy woman do a striptease and then play awhile either with her fingers or a (normal sized) toy? Am I the only one? :p

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First, the 5 minute thing came from my interaction with CC. I specifically stated that. And another member posted a similar thing awhile back. They don't want members just hanging around for an hour, leaving, and saying the host didn't strip so give me a credit. They never said "5 minutes", rather, it is an approximation based on my interaction with CC and what other members have posted CC has told them as well.

Second, you are not looking in the correct place and are absolutely wrong in terms of what you say.

This is what hosts see when they choose not so shy or instant action. The problem is that they never see it again:

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Girls Home Alone - Not so shy

By signing into this category the Chathost, if asked, commits to:

EXPLICIT nudity.
To include:
Close-ups
Open Legs
Masturbation by fingers.
If a viewer wants toys, or other specific action they must ask the Chathost first to ensure the Chathost is both willing and able to accommodate the request.

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Girls Home Alone - Instant Action

This category is designed for viewers who want instant action. They don't want to hang around and make small talk. Therefore ONLY those Chathosts who feel comfortable and prepared to give an instant sex show should advertise in this category. The Chathost must be prepared to show full nudity as soon as requested. Also if they advertise certain things in their show, they must be prepared to do them straight away, without delays.

By signing into this category Chathosts commit to:

Not sharing details such as age, name, country etc. unless initiated by the Viewer.
No delaying tactics whatsoever. Chathosts MUST be prepared to immediately start their show as soon as a viewer enters.
Also getting naked must not take a long time. This is not the category for a slow strip tease show.
Be prepared to provide an explicit sex show. Not only is the Chathost expected to get naked, but also provide additional explicit content such as open leg shots, and finger or dildo penetration, if requested.

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Do you understand now? Do you see that you are wrong? Do you and others think that I am making this stuff up?

The only thing that gets vague is the only 121 stuff. CC is less clear about that in their rules, but it is clear from dealing with them that nudity is definitely required in open and 121 for not so shy and instant action. Additionally, it is clear from dealing with CC that if ANY member wants a show in open when in not so shy and instant action, that the host cannot use chatting with a member that was already there as an excuse to not strip.

If you don't like these rules, then go to glamour or little shy. Otherwise, these are the rules.

Now that everyone knows the answer, get some sleep and get ready for the contest. But remember, contests don't trump these rules although hopefully members will be understanding and let you enjoy the contest instead of trying to force you to strip when required.

Good luck.

Thank you ...you are right once a host picks the category these rules do not show again...and I think these rules should be posted for easy access so that hosts can easily see them to refer back to them when ever needed or when they are unsure....rather than having to re-pick the category just to see them...

You have help me to reconfirm that moving to little shy category was a good choice and the right category for me...even tho I still am willing to do these same things in little shy...I now know that not so shy category is not the right category for me...

So thank you again Moonlit Knight...your posting those rules have helped a lot in my choice of categories.....

When you start session and it takes you to the page that confirms your category or lets you change it, you will see in the top left corner the rules for your category. That is on there everytime you start session.

The industry standard among cam sites is 2 minutes. A viewer should know if things are going his way in the first 2 minutes of a pvt. This is to reduce the amounts of refunds or credits back to members. Its all about the money.

I'm not sure where you came up with 2 minutes. I assume that is based on your experience. It seems reasonable if we are talking about Instant Action or a promise to strip in soft core. However, in not so shy, there are specific rules that are different from other sites that I know of, namely, that the host can chat for a few minutes. I am simply saying that it seems that CC is wanting a member to leave if he is not getting a show within about five minutes. After all, it takes a few minutes just to say hi, how are u, where you from, what's your name, ntmu, blah blah, and hosts are allowed to do this unlike in Instant Action.

In fact, the industry standard wouldn't even apply to Instant Action either. Unless the member keeps the conversation going, the host can say hi but must just start her show. None of the other stuff. So there, the standard for CC is arguably 60 seconds since you are billed one full minute no matter what and should know right away if you will get a show. Still, if they see that you were just being polite and saying hi, how r u?, blah blah, they will give you probably close to 5 minutes too.

Yes I was going by my own experience and I did say industry standard. And as you know when you get an email from cc giving you a credit, it says sorry the vid did not go as you expected. And in the first 2 minutes I know if a host is going to strip or stall. And as long as you say you've been around most likely know that too. Its all about he cam site reducing the amount of credits back to customers.

If you don't want to be nude in hardcore then why are you there? Yes you expected to give a nude show and if you are trying to twist that around then you should move to another category and not piss off members. Your members are your customers and pay you so why wouldn't you be able to learn how to please them? In open from the beginning expect others to follow and give a general show. Any member requesting special outside of nudity could be requested to go to 121....duh!

"But I wanna tell you that beeing in not so shy doesn't mean your clothes must fly off in the first 5 minutes "

You can check with cc yourself, but taking 5 minutes to strip in NSS is not clothes flying off. It is borderline stalling.

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That would depend on what the customer wants.

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If it was a very sensual slow strip then they would go to shy!
I think they aren't expecting a 15 minute strip or dance if she is in not so shy. In fact most hosts there hate taking their clothes on an off repeatedly so what you are the exception and get completely dressed in 10 layers to take them off again?

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I was referring to hardcore category when I spoke and honestly if the first guy comes into open he knows that others will follow and this is not a private show! You are kidding yourself if you think he doesn't. I honestly tell them that if other viewers come in (which is expected in open) that I will entertain all and I can't give him his private show being the only one in there. He knows that too! Then as others come in I do stop and greet them and ask can there here me to know if I need to type to them. I also let them know that others are in the room and ask I entertain and speak in microphone I acknowledge all in the room as i do a general show. I did not say that if anyone asks for nudity that you should refer them to 121 or private., What I did say is do your general show in open when many members or more than one are there (which in hardcore should include nudity) and if they want special requests beyond that then they should join you in 121.....please don't twist what I said.
Chatters should be in 121, the first guy in is only the only guy until someone else joins the room and then he needs to understand you are entertaining at your speed for all. You can not give exclusive shows in Open when it is intended for many to enter at any point in the show and if they are requesting certain activities then they should pay for a private show....but nudity should be given to all in open without any hesitation. You are confused and I hope you understand that Open is a chance for you to make alot of money and it is not a time for you to give only one member all your attention. If you do you will lose members and get low ratings. 121 is for 1 and only 1 member to enjoy your show.

I was not twisting your words...I was only trying to be make sure I was understanding correctly...

my post started out as a question for opinions, suggestions and to know how others handles it...it was not a question to be attacked for nor to be insulted by people for...if that is what happens...then what is the point in having a forum....because as has been seen here often....there is always someone ready to make a person feel like crap for asking a simple question....so that they can learn....thank you for your help Host...

This is the comment from you to me that I was answering if you follow the tree for this post:
I think you are forgetting...that I said in the not so shy category...and you are not allowed to say go one to one if asked to get nude...

so then the member that started out in your open session and that you agreed to do the slow strip for is screwed because when you agreed to do it he was the only one in there so if a another jumps in and says strip faster...your going to tell the first guy sorry but your request and what you agreed to do ....dont matter no more because now another is in here and you should have gone to one to one...even tho you agreed to do the slow strip...seems unfair to the one that was in there before the other one barges in....

My comments were intended to help you understand that viewers realize when they come into Open Session that others will come in and he should expect that but maybe you should remind him when he first enters so that he understands that in open many members enter and all are paying customers to you. If he doesn't want interruptions then he knows to go to 121 and pay a higher price so that he will not be interrupted. It would be rude for him to expect you to give him all the attention and ignore other paying customers.
Simply an explanation for you to better understand. Good Luck

I think they should do away with open video. All videos should be 121 and the price should reflect an average between the two former prices. If a girl wants group action she can set up a passworld protected room. That would get rid of people popping into an open video and stop the I don't strip in open only 121 issue. Which is prevalent.

As a host I like the Open Session and apparently the viewers do too. I make a lot more money that 1 viewer at a time and they seem to enjoy the interaction as many enter so maybe you aren't a majority in your thoughts.
Then our rates would have to increase ;)

the only two things that really bother me about open session...is one,,,it causes jealousy amongst the members...I am not sure why nor what it is...but the last while...I have had to deal with members who get jealous..of other members be it in video or in free chat......they enter open session...and then sit there and compare what you do with others to what they get in video....they get jealous even if you smile when someone says something...and we all know and have read in forums how members get when they are jealous, hurt, or angry with a host...

the second thing that bothers me...is the members that enter open sessions..they see something happening yet they are determined to disrupt things...it can kill a fun situation for all...

all in the session can be enjoying the show yet you get those that will come in with the attitude of screw everyone else...I am here, I am paying, this is what I want, so s do what I want right now...and then you can go back to those other members...and these sort of members will do all they can to disrupt the session....including typing crap which either pisses members off, turns them off or both......and if you do not tolerate him disrupting everyone else then he uses the excuse...but I am a paying customer so do as I say...Well this host says...yes you are a paying customer...but so are the other members that are in here....so if you want to sit on a throne with your crown....then go visit your bathroom covered in pictures of women bowing down to you...and turn on a recording of women telling you how great you are...and stop disrupting everyone else...loool

anyway those r the only two things that bother me about open session....if we could have a way to remove or deal with these two types of members....

I find it rather funny that members get jealous on here....because not only do they come here knowing that hosts see many different members..but also the very same members that are getting jealous are also seeing many other hosts as well....loool

lol Obviously the first one is the one that is punctuated correctly :P

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That makes no sense at all! OPEN is for all to join and expect the show for the CATEGORY you chose to be in. There is no first come first serve. All members that come into IA or NSS should be able to expect a show and not a chat in progress. It doesn't say that at all in the rules or the category descriptions so where did you get that information from? Sounds like you are making up your own rules and if a member wants your undivided attention to chat for an hour then he knows he should take you private.
Also why would any host give one member a show in open and ignore the others or tell them to come back when all are paying members? That is stupid and the host wouldn't have the ability to make money off of several members in open which can far exceed what just one member pays. Open is just that....open session for many viewers at one time and if they are coming into hardcore they are NOT looking for a chat!
You are not following the way it was designed and there is no first come first serve in open and members know that. Why don't you?

As a member, I usually defer to the wishes of those in open ahead of me. Not because it's some rule of the site, but rather because it seems to me to be fucking rude to jump into and start making demands in a video session that may have been going on for hours with a single other member for all I know. If I enter an open session and like what I see, I stay - if I don't, I leave. To me, that's how things should be. But hey, that's only my opinion.
And just so you know, other than some vague references in the category descriptions as to what should be expected of a few categories, there aren't any real hard and fast rules about what hosts should or shouldn't do that are made known to members.

They are made known to hosts, however, and in not so shy and instant action, they are supposed to do more than just strip. Hosts know this, at least they should so nude chat in these categories with the first member doesn't technically get the host off the hook when the second member is asking for more depending upon what the request is.

Sorry but your wrong...in not so shy category a host is required to get nude when asked to do so without asking for one to one...but if anything else is wanted besides removing her clothing then the member should check with the host and her profile first.,....

You are basing that on the category descriptions, not the rules the host agrees to when she chooses her category. When she chooses the category, she agrees to masturbate in not so shy and insert in instant action. She can't just lay there under the rules if the member wants more. It is not nude chat. Action is required when requested. Other sites have nude only "chat", CC does not.

Personally, as long as she is naked and dancing around or posing and not just laying there, I am happy. I have never reported anyone for not masturbating, let alone inserting, regardless of the rules. That is just too distasteful in my book.

Hosts know what the guests want and it is defined by categories so it is not a big hole of confusion. Open session was intended for viewers to come and go and see action in progress and there can be many viewers at the same time and yet the host shouldn't need instruction to entertain many at once especially in NSS or IA that are expecting nudity at least and in a timely manner. It's not about chatting for entertainment in those categories....lol. Special circumstance where viewers want specific things like chat or requests that she doesn't feel comfortable doing for all should be in 121 without question.

Very well said.

Whilst these might not be good trends for YOU, they may very well be the best for others.
Firstly, basically, in essence, you're a cheap skate. :D

Barging in on someone elses pvt in the hope that you hit the 'Juicy bit!'
Much a case of; You wanna ride the horse while someone else is paying for the hay!

Tough luck me thinks.

If a member is having a PVT session with a host, and he or she wants to chat, then thats just your tough luck.

For the hosts behaviour, it shows a good host, at least she's told you the equivalent ''Thanks, but no thanks.... Come back later''.
Thats pretty honest.

She could lead you up the garden path and take a few extra bucks of you. but she's got a good attitude.

This is a situation you're creating for yourself, by not initiating the PVT session.

It's not a bad trend either, maybe hosts and members are taking time to build up relationships (interpret as you wish) which maybe be both beneficial to them (as in each other) and also the CamContacts as a whole.

121's are frequently driven not just because of increased rates, but also as a result of privacy. Both Host and also (believe it or not) Members often prefer 121 or in some sites 'Closed Pvts' because they don't like people spying on them.
Other times they maybe exchanging personal information, as well as personal 'physical' aspects.

If the host is willing to ditch the potential revenue from having extra members spying / joining in, then she or he is potentially making a loss.

They've made their choices as hosts and members, its not your PVT session.
Bad luck, move on, or come back and do the 'leg work' yourself for the results you want. :p

Whilst I agree that the original poster seems to be a bit of a cheapskate if he enters an IA hosts video he is entitled to expect her to do a show regardless of whether there is someone already there who just wants to chat. If the chatter is a big spending regular of that host she has the option to do a password session for him or ask him to go 121.

That is why there is open session and 121 for private.

do members ever chat amongst themselves while in open session with a host? it always seemed odd that there would even be the option to message a host privately or broadcast a message to all in chat. is that another disadvantage of open compared to one2one? i mean you can't really complain if another member is there with you in open and he's asking how everyone else is enjoying their masturbating, can you?

ewwwwwwwwwwww. I hate that, lol. I wish the default was to type privately to the host instead of typing to all because things like that are exactly what happens. Some sites are such that typing to all is the norm but CC isn't like that so I wish they would change it. Making those type of comments just isn't the way CC generally works.

Also, what really is annoying is that when the member types to all and I am using full screen, the chat box pops up and blocks the view of the host. Then it goes away and the box pops up again when he types more. So I have to hear about how hard he is, et cetera and watch the chat box keep appearing.

I know I could go 121 but this is all about another member not being considerate in terms of what is the norm for behavior here. It most guys typed publicly and it was the culture here at CC, that would be different. But on CC, most people type just to one person so I think it is polite to type privately when typing as a member but perhaps others disagree.

You are not alone on that one...there are many members that do not want to be reading about another member saying how hard he is and what he is doing to himself...

some members get very nasty and crude with how they talk....and not all members want to read that from another member...

So no I think it is much better that members be able to type so only the host can read...heck even in free chat members talk nasty, crude and disrespectful to the host and other members will either leave, or say something....

There is a difference between saying how appealing or hot the host is...compared to...let me stick my hard throbbing c..k between your tits or show me your wet c..t while I wack my big hard throbbing d..k ...

altho some members like to talk like that ....it is not a good idea...to do that so all can read it.....not only can it turn other members off but it also disrespectful to everyone else who is trying to enjoy themselves too...

You must get the really rude ones because honestly it has been a lot of fun when the members can read each others compliments and comments and then respond to each other. It's never been a problem with rude ones writing in open because it is so rare. I am a shy host category btw. Sorry that you have such crude members that come to your room.

Actually sometimes it happens in open session that the viewers do type in open and they respond to each others comments (which are generally compliments to the host). I use a mic and so others hear what I say to other members.....

Maybe those viewers are in 121 because they just want to chat and do not want to be interrupted by cheap guys jumping into video expecting a show.

good gracious you people cant be serious about a host that much, let her do her show the way she wants to. If you have a problem she showing more attention to someone else besides you, either come back again some other time or find another host. It's not like cc has 6,780 host and 3,000 members

CC set up Open and 121 for a reason and not so that hosts can twist and turn it to fit what they want. Open is open for all members to come for a show regardless of who was first. 121 is for a private show by one member without interruption. Besides ignoring how it is supposed to work you are also turning away members and losing a lot of money from not entertaining all that come into open simultaneously.

You are not turning away other members who enter an ongoing session...you are simply giving them the choice to either stay and watch the show or to come back when they can go one to one...

So who are you to tell hosts that they are doing their show wrong when they have already started doing a strip for someone who was already in there...

I can see your point if more than one member comes in at the same time wanting the strip to be different....then fine...but if a member was already in the open session...just you and him.....then I do not see anything wrong with doing a strip the way he asks....and then when others join.. they can see the show is already happening...so they have the choice to either sit and watch or come back...

I don't like your approach where you are basically saying you jump into the middle of a shows apparently to save time and money. That's not a strategy that should be used on CC, and I know most hosts hate it. Well, wait, while I haven't talked to them all, I think it is safe to say that ALL hosts hate it, lol. As a member, I also hate it since it is annoying to hear "incoming contacts", then "goodbye" two seconds later.

Still, the host can request you to come back later but you don't have to. She must strip under the rules for not so shy and instant action. It doesn't matter who got there first, how long the first guy was there, whether the guy is a regular or anything else. She simply doesn't have a choice under the rules, and a refusal to get naked for a member, even if 20 guys were already there just chatting for 5 hours, is wrong on her part.

If it bothers you that much, talk to CC about it. They broke the rules so ask for a credit. But the fact that this is your method of operation instead of just an occasional thing seems wrong.

I am not sure why you are looking for a fight, however. Why not just wait until she is free so you can be the first into open? I almost never enter video if someone is already there. But I will say that the hosts that are posting here that is just too damn bad for you are wrong. There is no first come, first served priority on CC in terms of the issue you are discussing so personally, if you are intent on doing what you are doing and are nicely asking for a show in not so shy and instant action, they should give you one. It is not your fault that the guy already there didn't want to pay for 121, that they didn't give a password, or that they didn't switch to soft core. Still, it is clearly best to just wait until nobody is in open instead of looking for problems.

"As a member, I also hate it since it is annoying to hear "incoming contacts", then "goodbye" two seconds later."
Maybe you are cheap also....try 121 if you dont want to be annoyed by other members....

Did I say that I expected to be all by myself in open session? No. Did I say "Hey. When I am in video, nobody else should enter?" No.

What I said was it is annoying to have members jumping in and out of video instead of just staying there. What makes it annoying is the sounds you hear, not the fact that a member is entering video and leaving 2 seconds later. Yes, I rather have a host all to myself but so would most, if not all, members. But I make a choice about that issue when I go open versus 121.

If a member enters video and there is a show going on, what do I care? Let him watch. I most likely got there first and gave my cam so 90% of the time the host will give me her attention since she is watching me. Unless he starts typing publicly about how hard he is, I don't care what he does. And if I am just chatting with a host, again, let him chat too as long as he has enough respect for me that he types just to the host. The only problem I ever have is when the host stops her show and starts chatting just because another member entered. I don't think that is fair to me once the show began. But I agree, if I want to avoid that, I could just go 121.

What makes no sense is that it doesn't matter what is going on in video. If a host is in a show with me, the guy leaves. If she is just chatting with me, he just leaves. I know that the guy that leaves during a show might have just wanted to chat and the guy that wanted a show might leave because the host was just chatting. But it seems like there is a group of members here that just like interrupting video sessions to be a pain in the ass and that is what I find annoying.

I think the real point of your post just was to attack me, however. Do you feel better now? Or do you have some theory that anyone that doesn't go 121 at all times is cheap? And if you don't know my budget, how could you determine if I am cheap or not? Would an average bill of well over $1000/month make you no longer consider me to be cheap?

The original poster comes off as cheap because he has a strategy of allowing other guys to spend their money to warm the host up and then he jumps in to see the good stuff. I do nothing like that. I just think that in open session, guys shouldn't interrupt other guys in annoying ways. And I have had times when a host tells me that a guy wants a show when I was already there so I just go if I am not in the mood for the show. I don't tell her "Sorry, I was there first." because if I am just chatting, it was probably with a friend otherwise I would have already been getting a show too, lol.

I don't want to get in a measuring contest, but trust me, I highly doubt CC considers me cheap. They probably consider me a pain in the ass, but I doubt that they consider me cheap, lol.

If you choose to chat with a host in hardcore then you obviously should have gone to 121 since that isn't what it defines NSS or IA as.
Also, it most certainly is not rude for a host to acknowledge and converse with all the members in open as they enter and if they stay. She should be entertaining all in open not just you because you were first. Are you willing to pay her the price of the other members being ignored? Open is a chance for many members to watch a show and if you are into chatting and want her to ignore other members then pay 121 or offer her all the money she will lose by just giving you attention... That is the whole reason for Open Session!
If you said that in my open session then I'd ask you to leave and take me 121 when my room is open. She is there to make money not kiss your hiney and lose money.

I have no idea what you are talking about. You indicate that you are responding to me, but your comments seem to be directed at statements made by someone else. If you quote me so I know what you are saying, I can try to respond and perhaps clarify what I meant.

Just to address the general point, I never said anything along the lines that a host should not pay attention to everyone in open. I simply have said in posts that I think that if requests are conflicting that she should defer to the first member but in not so shy and instant action get naked at a minimum. And I also said once she starts a show, she shouldn't stop it just because another guy enters. I don't mean that she shouldn't say hello, but she shouldn't go so far as to stop the show. She can say "hi, hope you enjoy", for example. She most likely agreed to do a show if soft core or is required to give a show in hard core so I don't think she should just stop. Perhaps you disagree.

Other than this, I have absolutely no idea what you are referring to,

That theory makes no sense at all. Why do think they have open session? For just one member? Not at all but for any member to jump in the middle if they choose and if it's in hardcore there should be the promised show going on!! The host and CC makes alot of money from several in open at once.
Your theory is way out there.... You sound like the cheap one that wants exclusivity so you don't have to pay for private!!
Don't bash others for wanting to join in a show that should already be happening....that is why they have open...open to all....duh.

Hosts must love you, lol. Or based on the ??, maybe you just are a host looking to attack me at every turn. :)

There is not a requirement that a host must strip in not so shy and instant action IF nobody in video asks for her to do so. Therefore, just because somebody is in open session, that doesn't mean a show is going on. What this guy is doing is jumping around looking for ongoing shows to save time and money. Isn't this obvious to you?

I've chatted with hosts in all categories. Why do you seem to be saying that CC is set up so that I am not supposed to just chat in Not so shy and Instant Action? Where do you get that from?

Do I go to open and hope to save some money? Yes. But I never feel that I am in charge just because I got there first and everyone else should just stay away. If it is soft core, and we are just chatting, I hope the host will continue just to chat when another guy enters, but if she decides to do a show, that is her right. If it is hard core, and we are just chatting, she is required to do a show if another guy asks. I understand this too. What's the issue here?

And just because I rather spend less money in video so I can stay longer, how does that make me cheap? I paid $3000 in credit card bills in October for sites, most of which was spent on CC, but I am cheap? No, I am fucking idiot, lol, not cheap.

Cheapness is an attitude and a way of doing things. Saving money is not being cheap when you are still spending a lot Trying to capitalize on another member's efforts to get a host naked, however, IS cheap, and you seem to be endorsing this type of behavior.

Why pay more when usually there won't be interruptions in open video? I spend enough already. If there were many interruptions, I would go 121, but usually this isn't a problem so why spend more?. It just can get annoying to have guys jumping in and out all the time because of the sounds CC makes. But usually, when a guy enters, stays, and types just to the host, it isn't a big deal.

Not every guy can spend what I can. I understand. But that doesn't mean they need to be cheap and literally hang around stalking hosts' video sessions hoping for that magic moment when she will be naked so that he can minimize his spending levels.

Open is Open to all members to come and go as they please. They are not coming or going at your request or pleasure for sure. If you don't like the swinging door then you should do 121 and yes if you call another member cheap because he chooses to come into open which is open at all times while the host is online that is so rude! You should be the one in 121 if you want to dictate anything that happens in 121.
Personally I see a trend that you think all that you think is right and all others are wrong.....

LOL. I like how you single me out. Others made similar comments, and I even apologized later on for mine. The original poster seems a lot less offended than you do. Perhaps you should get over things a bit more easily.

And I never said that members can't come and go as they please. Of course they can. That is what open is all about, and obviously I can just leave if I don't like it and go 121.

I even said that if the original poster requested a show in not so shy and instant that the host under the rules should give him one even if she was chatting with someone already. I just wish that members jumping into open video weren't behaving in as an annoying fashion. Just because anyone can jump into open doesn't mean that they have to be annoying about it. You obviously don't understand what it means for us to have respect for one another here.

As for thinking that I am right and those that disagree with me are wrong, what else am I supposed to think, lol? And I do not always think that I am right. Obviously, at first I think that I am right, but if I see a reason to change my mind, then I acknowledge that. Once again, I apologized to the original poster when I felt that I went too far in calling him cheap. Is that the trait of someone that always thinks he is right, or does that show that I am a mature adult that is secure enough to recognize my own personal shortcomings?

Please try to stick to one name, be it ?, ?? or whatever else you choose. You don't have to do this, but it would be a lot easier for us to continue our debate on various issues. Plus, it would be easier for me to keep track of when you make valid points. I am still waiting for the first time by the way, lol.

I basically agree with wat you say but would like to add one thing. In IA the new member is entitled to expact the host to get naked soon after he enters the video. But in Not Shy the host is not oliged to get naked immediately. She can continue chatting for 5 or 10 minutes before beginning a show. Of course she should tell the new guy that this is what will happen and include him in the chat. He may still leave immediately and rate her bad but unfortunately it is impossible to please everyone.

Nooo it is not a new trend..just seems to be happening more and there are many reasons for what is happening on this site....one being that back then members seemed more understanding, less impatient, less demanding...and less hosts played the stupid stall games....it made things more relaxed...which in turn made hosts more willing to do more in open session sooner without the stalling....which led to more fun... back then members appreciated when a host said right away she was with someone and it might not be what you are wanting...and the member would say thank you for letting me know...and then decide if he was going to stay or not..

I do not and can not speak for instant action category ...because to me the title of it says it all..so there should be no problems regarding stalling and doing what ever is asked for instantly....if there are things certain things that you do not do then make sure you let people know right away...as well as in profile...

I agree..the person who is in video first...is the one that calls the shots...I also get members that like to chat a bit in open session to ask about what he wants...some regulars will come in open to say hello and just chat for a bit without maybe intending to have sexual content...and/or to arrange to come back later for the sexual content...or to say hi and see what the atmosphere is like...then go to closed session for sexual content...and yes I got that often when I was in not so shy category as well as now that I am in little shy....and all members should be respectful of this...and hosts should respect members and let them know the situation....

I agree a polite host will say to the others entering..that another was first and wants the clothes off different or wants different all together...your welcome to watch or your welcome to come back or you might want to find someone who is available to do your request right away...or something else in a polite way...it is common courtesy.....

I agree that in not so shy open session yes the host is required to be nude when the paying customer enters and asks....but to do anything else no she is not required to do anything else in an open session...the site clearly says.....nude is required when asked....for anything other than nude....check with the host and her profile first.......however..the site does not say that a member can enter an ongoing session and demand that the host tell the first paying member to piss off because you as the second paying member is more important....in any business....a customer that buts in and tries to push in front of another will be asked to please wait your turn..someone was ahead of you....the only time that will happen is if your in a hospital and another comes in more hurt than you and needs emergency medical attention...

I agree members are all paying customers...All members know if they enter open session (in any category, even not so shy category)...others will enter....and as long a host tells that "hey others will come in..so expect interruptions..that member has to be understanding of this ...and so do other members that enter an ongoing open session.....there are a few members who are in for just a chat that ....when they know another has entered will say if he wants u to strip then go ahead...but not many say that....lol.....as hosts many of us do not intentionally stall and do our best to please members....

I agree every paying member has a right to say what he wants and he has the right to say well that guys request sucks......but he does not have the right to expect a host to tell the first person to get lost as what he wants is not as important as what the second person wants...

for myself one of many reasons I left not so shy was because not only did I find it difficult to remove my clothes in three different ways and speeds at one time...(as often more than one member would want them off at different speeds) loool.... but also because a member would set the mood for the session..and other members that enter the ongoing session....knowing another was there first (either cos he was told or he can see it) and starts typing things like show me ur c..t...or sit on a dildo..or I want to see you f..k yourself....or other such explicit verses...yet the person in there first may want the clothing off but not the fast or he wants some clothing on while the more sexual content is happening...or he is not even ready to see the tonsils from between the legs.....let alone seeing things sticking out...not only does this change the whole mood but it is also very rude, unreasonable and can be a very big turn off which can cause a host to go from doing a spot on show to instantly drying up like Egypt in a sand storm..lool.

Many factors come into play with both members and hosts when it comes to how things go on this site...

that it my 50 cents worth...lol good luck everyone

If what's going on in an open session isn't to your liking, why can't you just come back when she's free? I don't get it.

Because it is open session and all paying members are welcome so she should turn her attention to accommodate all paying members that come into open. That would be rude to ask others to come back for one paying member in Open.

good lord, do you people practice at being so anal retentive?
it's like there are people here who have nothing better to do than parse "rules" just to have something to moan about. the kind of people that i'm sure are well-loved by the support team here at cc. you people must drive them all up a wall with your rules, lol.

Actually, they are CC's rules, lol. But in this particular case, I think that the original poster would be better off just waiting until the host was not with anyone if he is having so many problems. It is not so shy and instant action so I really don't understand why he is jumping into video anyway when he knows guys chat a lot.. The host must strip and she can't stall, especially in instant action, so if having all these problems, just wait until she is not with anyone, enter video, ask for a show, and complaint to CC and get a credit if she refuses. Yes, he has the right to jump in and the host should, under the rules, stop what she is doing and give a show, but I still don't know why he is seeking out problems and why others think that his strategy is a good one. It is like with this one host I know in not so shy that puts in her profile that she only strips 121. Do I go to her open and say "hey, strip, you have to" and get a credit when she won't? No, I just go 121.

The rules are important. The categories are here for a reason. And it is annoying when hosts don't follow the rules. But it seems like some guys are looking for problems.

One little addition to hosts that think they should just put only 121 in their profile when not so shy and instant action: 1) this host's 121 price is close to her open price so it wasn't a big deal to me and 2) the few times I saw her, I don't think I ever gave her 5 stars. I think that I gave 1 star or didn't vote because of her blatant violation of the rules no matter how much I may have liked her show. She just doesn't deserve a good rating. And if i saw this type of thing a lot, I probably would let CC know and post about it in the member forum to warn others. But one or two not so shy hosts isn't a big deal to me. And if I didn't read the profile ahead of time, in that case, I would have just left and reported her. So, in sum, her best hope was 121 and one star or my getting a credit and a letter from cc so it isn't exactly a strategy other hosts should follow.

" I really don't understand why he is jumping into video anyway when he knows guys chat a lot.."

No I don't know if guys are chatting or what they are doing in open session in any pvt, but I do expect nude shows in NSS and IA. And I also said that the host did tell me in pvt chat there would be no show and to come back later and I did leave. And since I typed in pvt, the other viewer/viewers never knew I was there.

In cases where there was a show in progress, I sat quietly and made no requests. I was going to cam sites in the early days when there was no 121. I have been on sites where the hosts have fan clubs and once or twice a month they give free shows for their members. And there was never a problem between other members. The 121 option was started as a result of customer demand. And now in softcore and some hardcore rooms is used as a method to exact more money out of their customers by adding certain things to what they do in 121 over open vid.

There are 2 sites that I go to that leave the 121 option up to the host. The price remains the same. And the hosts calls the shots when it comes to 121 or open. And at one of these sites the host has to approve all who enter her pvt. That didn't use to be that way. I think in most cases she does this to accommodate her loyal regular viewers, although I'm sure there could be other reasons as well. I'm not suggesting any changes here, but I think any system any business has needs to be looked at from time to time to see if there may be some adjustment needed to make it work better. And there is nothing wrong with borrowing ideas from other companies engaged in the same business. Its all about improving service to your customers. Without customers, there is no business.

"No I don't know if guys are chatting or what they are doing in open session in any pvt, but I do expect nude shows in NSS and IA."

I obviously know that you have no idea if she is just chatting until you get there. What I mean is that if this type of thing is happening so often and can be expected, why do you keep jumping into video? That makes no sense to me, and with all due respect, it comes off as cheap. You seem fair and reasonable so I apologize for any comments I made along those lines, but that still doesn't explain why you keep doing the same thing over and over and now are complaining about it. You do understand that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome, don't you? lol.

And answering "...but I do expect nude shows in NSS and IA" makes no sense either. You have been here from the pre 121, pre glamour days it seems, so you know darn well that guys just chat sometimes. I know that you said this is more of a recent problem for you, but are you really saying that prior to, what was it, two weeks ago, that you didn't enter video in hard core and find that the host was just chatting?

I can only repeat what I said before. This is not so shy and instant action we are talking about. Not so shy hosts must strip within 5 minutes according to the consensus (and most do it a lot faster by the way) and instant action hosts must strip right away. So why not just wait until the host is not with anyone and jump into open and get your show. If they won't perform or stall, leave and get a credit. It costs you nothing.

What turns you on about jumping into video so much? If the answer is you just like to watch and avoid that frustration of dealing with the pointless preliminary introductions when you really just want a show, it seems that you really have no choice given that a lot of guys like to chat regardless of category.

Nudity is only required if the member wants it in not so shy and instant action so it makes no sense to expect it. Maybe there is a trend that nudity in open is happening less and less now but that just means that what was once a reasonable expectation by you is no longer reasonable. You read the forums. You have been here a long time. You know perfectly well that the good old days are long gone, lol. It isn't just the last two weeks. So find a host that you like at a price that you like, wait for her to be alone, and go have fun. And if she is not so shy and instant action, just get a credit if she won't perform or stalls. Trend or no trend, the host still must follow the rules.

Yes the good old days are gone. And no I just don't troll the site looking for open video I can jump into. I only go to open vid if it is a host I have never seen before, sort of a kind of preview. Yes I like to watch, don't we all,? That's why we are here. Duh.

But anyway with so many hosts in non adult and softcore that love to talk, why do members go to hardcore to talk? And Its not talking about sex or a show but small talk bullshit. I know this because the hosts themselves have told me this. If I wanted to buy a car, I'd go to a car dealer not a bakery. I'd suggest letting the 121 thing be in the hands of each host and see how that works.

Because he is entitled to jump in Open whenever he chooses just like all members are....why don't you understand that? You have no right to ask him why because it isn't a private session and if you have a problem with that then you should pay the extra and use 121 for your time with hosts because you are totally out of line making comments to other members that are asking them what they are doing there and jumping in. He should be able to do what the shit he wants and not answer to you!!

Find me the statement made by me that said a member shouldn't jump into open session when I am there. The only thing I said was that it is annoying when they jump in and out all the time because the sound of incoming contacts and goodbye two seconds later gets annoying, NOT when they jump in, stay, type privately, and do nothing to interfere with the ongoing session.

As for my asking why he keeps jumping in and out, I asked because he has posted he is having a problem so I was trying to figure out his objective in doing the same thing over and over without success. I am trying to figure out what his goal is. We are having a discussion here so I am asking for additional information. What is wrong with that? And I made suggestions to help him avoid problems. You seem to take it a lot more personally than he does, lol.

You, and perhaps a few others, or maybe you are ?, ??, et cetera are determined to attack me. That is fine. You are entitled to your opinion. The problem is that you are not carefully reading what I am saying and therefore end of making attacks which are 100% misplaced. Perhaps English is not your first language. I don't know. But you really need to read more carefully because your posts make no sense in the context of the conversation we are having here.

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In my experience very few hosts answer in text chat.....

Excellent point kab. I run into that more and more. I wind up using open vid as a place to ask questions about a host's show. I've come to expect that in softcore, but its happening in hardcore as well.

why would a host not answer in free chat....that makes no sense..I would rather answer in free chat first rather then have one jump into video and be disappointed...and ticked off....

oh well i guess everyone has their reasons...

Good luck everyone.. :)

Maybe what seems like a long time to answer in chat to you which is just one person waiting for a reply.....there are several people in chat and the host is answer all and not just you at the moment that you drop in. Be patient and you will probably receive a reply shortly......

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Yes she may be busy as most girls are live on other sites as well as here. Or maybe I have wrong host, but lately here seems to be many wrong hosts compared to years ago. And on every one that I entered open vid after getting no reply in free, I found the host to be not busy and sitting at her computer.

But you clearly don't know how many in her free chat that she is answering to and it might take her a bit to answer you. I see some pop in ask a question while I am answering someone else in chat and before I can get to him....poof his is gone. Sometimes I have 5-10 people chatting and asking questions so guess you should be more patient and not make so many assumptions because I do not have any other rooms open at the same time!

In the cases I was talking about the hosts were NOT chatting in pvt with others. They made some bogus excuse like bad connection or something like that, which was a total lie. I've been to many cam sites over a very long period of time and have developed a sense when I am being lied to.

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The whole idea of a forum is to express a persons opinion...

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Do you need to be so rude? It is a true concern of his and if you can't contribute why in hell don't you just move on to the next post instead of making him feel like his post or his question is so worthless.
Do you just need to bash people?

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They're just buying time :P
You'll sit there and explain how wrong they are and that you're a nice guy.
You just wondered if she'd entertain you a little further...

Mean while, she doing 'Shop online' while clocking up the extra minutes :D
Points mean prizes, cash is king, and even if you don't go back to her, well as they say... 'There's one born every minute' lol
She wins.
Mostly it's just another game.

Gentlemen don't say, 'show ass bb' or shit like that :D
But everyone one enjoys a bit of naked ;)
And all those girls who 'Don't'.... well, i've never met one who doesn't ;)
Time is the factor, or loyalty (you need to massage her ego)

She'll give you the rewards, it's a case of you scratch her back, she'll do yours after. (provided you're not a sucker!, then she'll just carry on taking advantage)
How long the 'After' part is is another question altogether.
Shop in a different catergory if you're not happy.

Alternatively: If you like her, and reeeeally like her...., stick with it, end your pvt's earlier, set your personal limits (what you're happy to spend) she'll get the picture in no time. With some repeat custom, she'll get naked pretty fast.

Good luck with it.. haha

that is ridiculous there is no reason for the atmosphere to change just for asking for nude show...and it sounds like you were very nice about it...

so you know there are some of us on here that will appreciate your politeness and will not play such games with you...it really bugs me how some hosts sit and bitch about members yet they play these sorts of stupid games...

good luck to u Gentleman.....

I think you can be a gentleman and still politely ask early in free chat what you can expect from the host's video. Save you a lot of money and aggravation. You can be specific as to what you are looking for without being a jerk about it and if the host is not interested you can thank her and move on to one who is. But never enter a video with just the expectation of stripping/nudity and without an upfront agreement...you will be disappointed more often than not.

I wonder if part of your problem could be that you start off too nice. In other words, maybe you are not talking about sex at all, and then all of a sudden you bring up nudity, and they are like "WTF? I thought you liked me as a person! You're just like the rest of the members here!"

If I am there for a show, I always get to the nudity/sex issue right away. I go through the hi, how are you, what's your name, where are you from routine, and then it is all about how hot they look, how I'd love to see more, et cetera. And if in text chat, you can do a similar thing and say how you like certain pics, especially if she has naked or topless pics, and get to the nudity issue. Plus, since I am giving cam, I ask if they want to see more too so that helps, lol.

Most of the time you can save your money, and do what "So" says. Ask in free chat when in soft core unless the price is low enough that you're willing to spend a few dollars to talk in open and take your chances.

I do find it annoying to ask all the time about nudity in text chat since you can get a negative reaction no matter how nice you are so I look for signs that a soft core host strips . I suggest the following: 1) focus more on little shy as opposed to glamour if going soft core, 2) look for hosts with nude pics, 3) look for anything in the profile that is sexual in nature, and 4) look for any comments in her personal forum that indicates she gives shows. Also see if she has a hard core account, typically in not so shy, and go there if the open prices are close or if open price of not so shy is close to the 121 price of little shy. Usually, in my experience open and 121 prices for little shy and not so shy are about the same for hosts with accounts in both categories so not so shy open is your best bet.

As for the not so shy hosts that give you a problem, just complain to CC. I always chat with the hi, how r u stuff for a few minutes, no more than 5, and if I hear go 121 or if she stalls, I just get a credit.

And as for the "poor baby" post, just use things like that as an incentive to save yourself some money and look at some free porn, or perhaps some hot archive pics. Then, hosts like "poor baby" will be the poor babies, lol. Doesn't sound like you did anything rude or wrong so the heck with hosts and their attitudes.

Good luck.

I agree with much of what Moonlit Knight said however, not all hosts will post nude pics in her archives...I know I sure as heck don't ...what is the point of posting nude pics in archive.. I use to then I found that guys were jacking to the nude pics then come in video expecting me to be ready to sit on a toy or be instantly aroused just cos they were ready to explode...I do nude shows ....but to say look for nude pics it not really a fair thing to say...cos even hosts who have nude pics dont always do nude shows....that was just talked about in a post here not so long ago...

anyway that my five cents worth....good luck

I agree there is no point in posting nude pics as then there would be no point in going pvt. And yes just because a host posts nude pics in profile is no guarantee member will get a nude show in Glamour or Little Shy. And as someone else replied in some cases it takes several visits in open or 121 to see her naked. I recall pursuing a host from another site to 3 different sites before I finally saw her naked and I was disappointed. She was not as hot as I had thought she might be. It has also happened to me that some of these hosts that say no here get naked very fast on other sites where they host due to different rules being in place.


Thanks for your very kind reply.

I said to look for nude pics 1) since this increases the chances that the host is comfortable getting nude, and 2) since there are a lot of hosts, to focus on those with nude pics first since it is annoying to ask soft core hosts if they get naked.. I never said every host has nude pics or that every host with nude pics gets nude, although CC has a rule that says her most "recent" pics must reflect what she does in video.

You say Plus, since I am giving cam, I ask if they want to see more too so that helps, lol."

Ok if giving cam is the key, I can't compete there. I am rather grotesque looking and that would certainly not help my cause. And I know some members are into the SPH thing, but I don't need to pay a girl to taunt me because I have a small dick.

I don't know if giving cam is "the key", but I think it helps. When I say "do you want to say more?", what is the host going to do? Say "no?" or "not right now?" Unless she is truly shy, she is almost forced to say "yes", and from there, it is difficult for her to talk about anything but sex. She can try to stall with questions such as "what do you like in sex?", but it is very easy to ask for a show from there. And no host is going to tell someone he isn't a gentleman after she just asked to see "more", lol, unless he is rude from that point. At worst, if she is a host that strips, she will either say she needs to get comfortable with you (which is probably a cue to leave if you want a show unless you are one of those guys that likes an expensive challenge) or to go 121 (and if soft core, then it is just about price at that point).

As for looks, I am not some stud with a porn star sized cock although for some strange reason, I seem to be treated as such when on CC. I wonder why that is? lol. So unless you truly look horrible, I don't think you have to worry about things. Hosts are there to make you feel good and they almost always seem to ask for cam. They want to see you. And a nice smile along with a friendly personality can go a long way for you even if you are not some stud. It lets your inner personality outshine however you look, especially in a woman's eyes. Perhaps just delay giving he cam a few minutes so she gets to like you as a person first and then break the bad news to her, lol.

I know some guys hate giving cam, but it is the best way to enhance the experience even if just chatting so I would seriously consider doing it. Without cam to cam, I can't see how any two people can get to know each other in most cases. Sure, blind people date too, and there are things like arranged marriages, but normally, people actually see each other when getting to know each other. And do things like zoom out on your face a bit if you are not some stud and zoom in on your member, lol, if it isn't that big. Do what hosts do, namely, make yourself look better than you really are.

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I personally do not get upset at all if the viewer asks me in chat if I get nude and I generally will say that I don't. My suggestion is to ask in chat rather than going into open or private. You will get a direct answer and if they say yes then clarify that they will remove all clothes. It seems some hosts consider nudity with bra and panites on still?? I always recommend if nudity is your goal then to stick with NSS or IA. That should be a guaranteed nude show and not in 121. If it isn't then you need to report it to CC and use your other resources to warn others.
I actually really appreciate members asking in chat first so that they won't be disappointed. A typical softcore viewer that appreciates that category enjoys the trip and not just getting to the destination which is primarily nudity. They like the tease and sensuality and quite often cum during it or some just like the excitement it creates. A viewer that wants nudity before the excitement starts should be very pleased in hardcore. That is what the difference is. Now lately there are also hardcore hosts in softcore and that completely throws that simple explanation out the window or the softcore host that ends up in NSS or IA. There are several ways of making those hosts aware.
It sounds like you are a gentleman but you found the wrong hosts that are too sensitive or not following the rules. I think it is also confusing when hardcore hosts use the words they do in their profile which sounds like they want to viewer to refer to her in a similar fashion. I understand your point there....

You have a good attitude about things. Unfortunately, some hosts don't. Also, the trend about hard core hosts being in soft core is not a new one. It is how things have been for as long as I have been here which is over 6 years. In fact, some soft core hosts start stripping in open even before I ask or even before I want them to, lol. They just start ripping their clothes off in two seconds when I prefer a two or three minute strip dance first because I like the tease part too. It really varies from host to host.

The problem is that, particularly with little shy, hosts are there for many different reasons. Some are there because the price minimums are lower and they can't get members at higher prices. Others are there because they are willing to strip, but want to be the ones to determine when they strip and for whom they strip. As members, we never know what the heck to expect just as hosts never know what to expect either.

The one thing that ever host should expect, however, is that guys on an adult site might ask for nudity even in a soft core category. Unless it is a non adult category, as long as the member is respectful about it, being called rude or being told "I'm not instant action" are not appropriate responses, but this is what members often run into. Host can simply say that they only go topless, that they want 121, that they prefer to chat first and see how they feel about the situation without making any promises, et cetera. Or, if they never strip, they can explain how they wear sexy outfits, et cetera. But this is not what happens. They get offended and assume that the member wants a wham bam thank you mam two minute show. I know some members do want that, but some hosts assume the rest of us do too and as someone who typically stays a minimum of 20 to 30 minutes if I want a show, I find it annoying to deal with the "Go to instant action" type attitude.

If every host was like you and if every member was like the original poster, we wouldn't have problems here. But unfortunately, that is not the case. Some guys are rude and hosts get sick of it and assume that all guys instead of just some guys are rude. Some hosts give members attitudes and it makes members not interested in seeking out the ones that won't. It is bad for business, and it is a turn off for all.

irst of all ...I am not angry and I am not jumping on you....but I do very much object to you suggesting that mabye he is too nice...for me personally..that is crap..maybe the fact is that the hosts that he has come across are simply hosts that would treat someone that way no matter how they were asked......but there are also those hosts that enjoy that type of interaction as a change of pace..I find it more enticing and am more willing to be nude...

it is soooo stupid ......Hosts are on a sex site...so how in the world can they not expect the subject of nudity to not come up at some point..and how can they expect to be in a softcore category without expecting a member to ask or bring up the subject of asking if she does nudity....it makes me wonder if maybe those that gentleman have had such a response from are maybe hosts that thought they could get away or are use to just not showing anything at all..

on this site there are sooo many members that just jump right in with get naked...use a toy...and think that just because they say they are hard as rock and horny .....that I should be wetter than an over flooded well...loool...I suggest to those members that maybe they need to be in instant action or not so shy category only because they give the impression that they are wanting instant play....I very much appreciate and enjoy coming across a gentleman on this site as they dont come along very often....they say variety is the spice of life...and well that goes for females too...a gentleman would be a very warm welcome amongst those that go to softcore and demand instant action....

So please Moonlit Knight be careful when you tell someone who is a gentleman and polite to maybe change ....unless he really wants to see these hosts that get their shit in a knot when nude comes up...so if he really wants to see those hosts then fine change our tactic...but do not change the way you are when dealing with all hosts...

hosts that say ""WTF? I thought you liked me as a person! You're just like the rest of the members here!" either she just had a bad experience with a member and gentleman came along before she was able to log off and gather herself again, or she really is not one that gets nude.....

third...altho your tactic of feeding her lines might work for you with many hosts...we also hear that same tactic as well as many tactics repeatedly...so someone different with a different tactic is refreshing...with me...a member does not have to feed me a line of how hot I am..when he is really wanting to know if I will get nude...that just stinks of falseness which members complain that hosts do in order to get a members money out of him... if a member wants to know about nude then he can ask when he feels comfortable enough to ask and if the host reacts negative then obviously something is wrong...and it does not mean that it is Gentleman's fault...

Gentleman I also understand your confusiona and frustration...and it is ridiculous that a host on a sex site will react that way when asked if she gets nude...it is simple all they have to do is say in the profile...if they do not get nude...

Again Moonlit Knight ...I am sorry if I sound harsh or angry ...I am just tired of hearing of hosts that react in such a way when asked if they get nude on a sex site...and hosts that play stupid games...it makes it hard for the rest of us that dont do such crap..be yourself Gentleman and those that attacked your post...ignore them....there are hosts that will appreciate how you are....and Moonlit Knight be yourself if that works for you...because as has been said in other posts...there are many hosts on here that will appreciate a member for how he is....

I appreciate your post. As for my saying maybe he was too nice, it was just a possible theory given what he was dealing with. It would seem common sense that we are on an adult site so nobody should be surprised about his wanting a show, but given some hosts he ran into seemed to get offended, I was just trying to figure out why. I thought that maybe he was taking them down one path for so long that they felt deceived when all of a sudden the topic turned to a show.

As for describing my dialogue as "lines" as if they are some calculated strategy, it is no more of a strategy than any discussion that you may have with anyone in any aspect of life, namely, to focus on the topic, and if he wants a show, the topic is sex and nudity so he should make comments about that as opposed to life in general. But yes, I've had sessions where I just chatted for a long time and then the conversation gradually moved to nudity without a problem. In fact, I don't think that I ever had a problem like the original poster had. But my personality when I am a customer is to be more direct and to take control so on CC, for example, I don't try to come off as anything other than a pervert..... A nice, friendly, smiling, funny, respectful pervert, but still a pervert, lol. That's probably why I don't have the issues that he has.

Hosts usually just tell me at the beginning if they get naked or not, and if 121 is required in soft core, except for the few that give me the "I'm not instant action" routine. My biggest problem here is hard core hosts not performing or saying go 121, not soft core hosts giving me an attitude about stripping.

"I don't try to come off as anything other than a pervert..... A nice, friendly, smiling, funny, respectful pervert, but still a pervert"

I have to admit that that tactic has also served me well over the years. That probably means that no host has ever thought of me as a gentleman but that is a price I am happy to pay :D

"I have to admit that that tactic has also served me well over the years. That probably means that no host has ever thought of me as a gentleman but that is a price I am happy to pay :D "

I not say that being a pervert does not make a gentleman...all people are perverts ....both men and women...it is how we approach a person with our pervertness (if that is a word lloool) is what will determine how things will go....

I have had a few perverts cross my path...and some were nice people...funny...smart...many good qualities.....heck one of my male friends is a pervert...but we get along great.....when he gets out of hand...my female friends and I say ..."get off our leg"...and all is good again..loool....

but just cos he a pervert dont mean we would kick him to the curb...he still a good person...very good person...

Was he a member of CC?

Rooooooooon!