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A Vedic Legend
Tvastri took
the rotundity of the moon,
and the curves of the creepers,
and the clinging tendrils,
and the trembling of grass,
and the slenderness of the reed,
and the bloom of the flowers,
and the lightness of leaves,
and the tapering of the elephant's trunk,
and the glances of deer,
and the clustering of rows of bees,
and the joyous gaiety of sunbeams,
and the weeping of clouds,
and the fickleness of the winds,
and the timidity of the hare,
and the vanity of the peacock,
and the softness of the parrot's bosom,
and the hardness of adamant,
and the sweetness of honey,
and the cruelty of the tiger,
and the warm glow of the fire,
and the coldness of snow,
and the chattering of jays
and the cooing of the kokila,
and the hypocrisy of the crane,
and the fidelity of the chakrawaka,
and compounding
all these things together
he made
WOMAN
and gave her to man
the rotundity of the moon,
and the curves of the creepers,
and the clinging tendrils,
and the trembling of grass,
and the slenderness of the reed,
and the bloom of the flowers,
and the lightness of leaves,
and the tapering of the elephant's trunk,
and the glances of deer,
and the clustering of rows of bees,
and the joyous gaiety of sunbeams,
and the weeping of clouds,
and the fickleness of the winds,
and the timidity of the hare,
and the vanity of the peacock,
and the softness of the parrot's bosom,
and the hardness of adamant,
and the sweetness of honey,
and the cruelty of the tiger,
and the warm glow of the fire,
and the coldness of snow,
and the chattering of jays
and the cooing of the kokila,
and the hypocrisy of the crane,
and the fidelity of the chakrawaka,
and compounding
all these things together
he made
WOMAN
and gave her to man
Don’t marry young.
Live your life, go places, do things. If you have the means or not, pack a bag and go wherever you can afford to go. While you have no dependents, don’t buy stuff, any stuff. See the world, look through travel magazines or search the web and pick a spot. Go before you get old.
RE: Don’t marry young.
oh yes it is, no one to get in your way to fulfill your dreams, I agree with Joe, don't marry young, love can come later and then marriage.
RE: Don’t marry young.
When you meet someone for the first time, realize that you know nothing about them, then see how it works out.
RE: Don’t marry young.
it is a pity life can't really be boiled down to such simplicity. Love is a complicated thing, it strikes when least expecting it. What works for one, does not work for another. Take life as it comes, and you may find love happens at any time.
RE: Don’t marry young.
Well said, I was for the never marry option..I now believe there is one special love for everyone.. When your mind, body, spirit, heart and soul are all in synchronicity it is no longer up to will or fate, it is true destiny. I was content to be alone and only heard the word love on valentines day, I was not looking for love or marriage and just like that it started with a smile...Young or old love and marriage should be cherished, not avoided for selfish satisfactions or to cross of a addition to your bucket list.
RE: Don’t marry young.
Traveling alone can be the most interesting experience, if you know yourself well enough not to feel bored. And it's impossible to get to that kind of personal depth, if you always need to have a "special someone" by your side.
I'm with the "don't marry young" crowd on this.
I'm with the "don't marry young" crowd on this.
RE: Don’t marry young.
I would prefer to have a woman, gf or wife, beside me when I travel somewhere. Always great to have sex somewhere new :-)
RE: Don’t marry young.
Yes, don't marry young..I married at 40 and I still regret it...after a while you spend more time to organize the life together.Last year I was thinking I am getting old and nothing can happen but God had another plan...I met after 3 years, completely by accident, a charming French...first dinner he asked me to divorce and to marry him....exactly as in movies!
I wish I was single!
So after this wonderful experience I dare to say:"Don't ever marry!"
Trust me, I married twice and each time I got fat. LOL
I wish I was single!
So after this wonderful experience I dare to say:"Don't ever marry!"
Trust me, I married twice and each time I got fat. LOL
RE: Don’t marry young.
A quote of wisdom, I rarely find here. Where is the 'like' button indeed.
RE: Don’t marry young.
I agree. Love is not complicated. But the mind, and the tricks it can play with your emotions, wants to make the simple reality of love complicated. At least that's my thought about it...
Words Of Wisdom From The Old To The Young
If I knew I was going to live this long, I would have taken better care of myself. So, take good care of your health by maintaining a good sex life.
RE: Words Of Wisdom From The Old To The Young
Nothing much to say. Still got a good 50 years left and not looking forward to it if they're anything like the past years
RE: Words Of Wisdom From The Old To The Young
.... and some fell on stony ground ....... I laughed anyway! Nice try but wasted.
RE: ABOUT ME ...TELL ME ABOUT YOU....
anne-thanks for sharing this--it put a smile on me and a warm feeling in my heart reading this--again thanks
RE: ABOUT ME ...TELL ME ABOUT YOU....
my thoughts exactly witty horny D:))))
I did zone out for the most of it... dont wanna cramp her style....so ill zip it :)
I did zone out for the most of it... dont wanna cramp her style....so ill zip it :)
RE: ABOUT ME ...TELL ME ABOUT YOU....
LOL ... next time you say "I like" and it's followed by a verb lose the "to" and put "ing" at the end of the verb. I know English isn't that easy, my second language too :) GL!
RE: ABOUT ME ...TELL ME ABOUT YOU....
I understood her English very well and it's my first language and who cares about the; nouns, pronouns, verbs, adverbs, etc......she got to the point that made it very romantic.
RE: ABOUT ME ...TELL ME ABOUT YOU....
she sounds single and lonely if you ask me ..so she has the energy to imagine just about anything. dont think she figured out the guys yet so give her a break... let her enjoy it.
RE: Valentine's Day! :)
Certainly a card for the wife. Perhaps flowers. Text or ecards for others. No special plans.
RE: Valentine's Day! :)
yes it is a very special day to shared with someone. Happy Valentine Day Angelou
RE: Valentine's Day! :)
yup lets get original and watch some of the weirdest porn there is :)) no fucking bonbons paleo all the way caveman going gangsta lol
RE: Valentine's Day! :)
mmmmm. My cave or yours E??? You would be awesome in a furry little thong. :)))))))
Appreciate every small moment.
Words of Wisdom: We don’t get to stay on this crazy and wonderful planet forever. The greatest pleasure can be found in the most mundane of activities So live, laugh, smile, and have fun..
RE: Appreciate every small moment.
(Great Words of Senses) and make sure you tell your wife or girlfriend you love them.
RE: Appreciate every small moment.
I cherish the small moments most, I always ruin the big moments : (
RE: Appreciate every small moment.
Like I wrote somewhere: I walk, I spark, I take, I live, I enjoy, I tease … so walk with me.
RE: ♥♥♥
I love it. This message is so short and to the point. So many people write long messages describing all their thoughts and emotions. It is truly refreshing to see someone just express themselves so succintly and with such brevity yet so completely and accurately, getting the point across precisely and without all the unnecessary eloquence that seems so pervasive among some individuals. I think I speak for many of us when I say that it is appreciated. I applaude the author for giving all of us the consideration and respect of our valuable time by not waxing verbose and overstating the point unnecessarily. Well done. A good example for all of us. BTW... love ya Eva. LOL And yehh lets have some fun !!!!! Kisssss
Perfect Date
Describe a perfect date in your opinion and where men or women screw up most often on a date-
RE: Perfect Date
I've never really been on a real date. I always screw things up when chatting up women. They seem to find me unappealing somehow... :-/
RE: Perfect Date
I can remember way backs how perfect dates change over the decades. 50 to 60 years ago: a perfect date was just to sit on the front porch during the summer months and make out and sit in the parlor of the house during the winter months. 40 years ago take a walk on the beaches, 30 years ago take her to a drive-in movie, 20 years ago take her to an indoor movie theater, 10 years ago take her to an island somewhere or cruise and today just sit on the front porch during the summer months and make out and in the bedroom during the winter months.
RE: Perfect Date
I would settle if the date would be more open with things, talk about things and not this put on stuff like some of the dates I had in the past.
RE: Perfect Date
A perfect date is when she forgets to take the money after the hour is up… HAHAHAHAHA!
RE: Perfect Date
1. when a date says yes be glad too
2. when snow in and can't get out of the house for a week (of course with my date with me)
2. when snow in and can't get out of the house for a week (of course with my date with me)
RE: Perfect Date
AngelinRouge if you see this: I like the way you think and sound AngelinRouge, could you tell me what does a man screw up the most on a perfect date.
RE: Perfect Date
omg i think in my gym there r a very few really sexy guys)))) or maybe i come in a wrong time))))))))) or maybe im too fussy)))
RE: Perfect Date
As Chris Rock says: "At a first date you don`t meet the person, but their representive. No-one is really themself at the first date!"
RE: Perfect Date
my perfect date would be with my shopping buddy MonikaBabe. going to the mall checking out all the hot studs. calling her a bitch for stealing mt nail file then crying about our fight after while drinking our appletinis. then going home and posting on VK that some skank we know need to stop wearing that short red dress cuz the 2 kg she gained makes her look like a cheap hooker now. oh then eating a liter of ice cream watching sex and the city
RE: Perfect Date
O.M.G! I couldnt have said it better myself! Ill go on a date with u anytime, buddy! Btw i totally LOVE ur new hairstyle! Kissy kiss:*
RE: Perfect Date
It's not the place or what is organised, it's how I feel with her.
My perfect dates are when we both feel as we know each others from years and you can understand her just watching her eyes. When you don't fear how you act or what you say 'cause there's so much feeling.
My perfect dates are when we both feel as we know each others from years and you can understand her just watching her eyes. When you don't fear how you act or what you say 'cause there's so much feeling.
RE: Perfect Date
Get well soon my friend, my prayers and thoughts are with you each day during this time. Kiss and a Warm Hug.
Living dolls
The gasmask thread made me remember this documentary I saw lately called "Secrets of the living dolls" Has anyone seen it? Do you think this is normal and would you not laugh or be scared if you see a person like that in real life?
RE: Living dolls
Not my cup of tea, not if it is as fetish, nor as a funny thing. This is my professional area: it safes lifes, for short exposures as for long term exposures!! One shouldn't abuse it, or am I old-fashionned? Greetz Fil
RE: Living dolls
I thought they looked creepy, like possessed mannequins and found nothing arousing about the fetish aspect. Seems we are becoming desensitized to the sexual innuendos out there, in the past both would be considered a mental disassociation with reality.
RE: Living dolls
Those people are borderline clinical cases, not fetishists or x-dressers. I mean, that's how their brains translate the idea of "being inside the type of woman" who was/is/will always be out of their league, among a kazillion other reasons. Dr. Freud would give himself a lobotomy if he were still alive:))
The only ones that are in a worse stage of a complete psychological mess, are their wives/girlfriends, for obvious reasons.
The only ones that are in a worse stage of a complete psychological mess, are their wives/girlfriends, for obvious reasons.
Scroll bar not working?
Hi,
Wonder if anyone else is having same problem, when I click "Who's online now" and then on the category drop down box the scroll bar doesn't move, instead just end up going to the category that the mouse was nearest to. I have to use the arrow up & down keys to see all the categories.
Not a huge pain but seem's to be a new problem/upgrade or my pc is being bad.
Wonder if anyone else is having same problem, when I click "Who's online now" and then on the category drop down box the scroll bar doesn't move, instead just end up going to the category that the mouse was nearest to. I have to use the arrow up & down keys to see all the categories.
Not a huge pain but seem's to be a new problem/upgrade or my pc is being bad.
RE: Scroll bar not working?
Nope, all works perfectly on my PC: Scroll bar in drop down menu moves well, and I can click on any category. At your serc-vice. Fil
RE: Scroll bar not working?
I recently have the same issue. I think it is a problem with Google Chrome interaction with some sites. I tried with Firefox and the scroll works fine. Probably Chrome will fix it in a week or two.
RE: Scroll bar not working?
Yes everybody, it seems to be a chrome issue, on IE I don't even need a scroll bar as I can see all the available categories.
At least I now know it's not my pc, cheers.
At least I now know it's not my pc, cheers.
Gasmask Gift
Hi Ladies,
I have a big fetish for gasmasks, but very few ladies have them. I was just wondering if anyone out there would be interesting in having one as a gift and then doing cam shows with me?
Thanks
Pete
I have a big fetish for gasmasks, but very few ladies have them. I was just wondering if anyone out there would be interesting in having one as a gift and then doing cam shows with me?
Thanks
Pete
RE: Gasmask Gift
why a gasmask show, could you explain a little bit more about this fetish, just curious.
RE: Gasmask Gift
That one can't be explain as easily as foot fetish for instance. In fact it's more of a paraphilia that overlaps a range of fetishes. Some people are aroused by the simple idea of the gas mask being an atypical object, or by the contrast it creates with the female body, or by social / historical / frightening subliminal messages that come with it... You can't explain it so easily. Also, it's just very visually appealing to some, with no deep, hidden meanings.
The industrial / steampunk depersonalized, hidden face combined with a very sexy, feminine outfit can be quite artistic.
The industrial / steampunk depersonalized, hidden face combined with a very sexy, feminine outfit can be quite artistic.
RE: Gasmask Gift
A knowing and elegant reply, Miss Waltrude. I can almost understand it now :))))
RE: Gasmask Gift
Amazing, I am bowing to you now, Knowledge, Facts and presentation. I wonder no more.
Hairy girls??
I prefer girls that have hair and don't shave.
Any help would be appreciated.
thanks
Any help would be appreciated.
thanks
It's true, love happens..
The question has been posted continuously here, as you can see from my name, I am in a relationship with a women I met here. As all the hosts no, I have not gone one2one with them because of my loyalty. I came here looking for someone to talk to, not for self satisfaction or to exploit anyone's circumstance. That may be the difference in why I found love here and it worked for me, as rare as it is, it does happen here. I apologize to all hosts for turning down there invites as I explained I am in a relationship and true and loyal to her only. I always enjoy talking and laughing in community chat and we can share that. To all members that are wondering about finding love here, Yes you can just believe and follow your hearts not your heads.
RE: It's true, love happens..
Yes relationships come together, and relationships fall apart. I have seen that also. So, peeps, don't lose your heads, because love happens, and sh*t happens too.
RE: love happens.. but not usually and don't count on it!
This kind of talk is, in my opinion, dangerous. This is not a dating site. It's a webcam porn site. That's all it's intended to be. Yes, there are lonely hosts hoping for relationship to develop. There are lonely members wanting to fill that loneliness. So what if it does happen? In the vast majority of instances it does not. It is simply delusion on the part of some lonely soul who can't find happiness in real life. We don't need to encourage those who think they can find true love here... because in the majority of cases they are setting themselves up of hurt and disappointment. And truth is, there are some unscrupulous hosts who will use that to their advantage: to convince members to keep coming back. Those who do find relationships here should be considerate of those who are only fooling themselves into believing there is something more that is not.
RE: love happens.. but not usually and don't count on it!
"This kind of talk is, in my opinion, dangerous. This is not a dating site. It's a webcam porn site. That's all it's intended to be"
Spot on! I agree 110%.
Spot on! I agree 110%.
RE: love happens.. but not usually and don't count on it!
Now I am confused--can you find true love here or not-hmmmmmmm
RE: love happens.. but not usually and don't count on it!
Of course you can. Life is unexpected. But I agree with IncredStud that it is better to do it on dating sites. It is more successful, definately.
RE: love happens.. but not usually and don't count on it!
Mmmmmm, "decrepit old hag"... that's my fetish!
RE: It's true, love happens..
I joined a few dating sites, that is what lead me to explore the cam craze. I became a cam model because of my experience from dating sites. I am a handsome gentlemen so I put a profile up to see what would happen. What happened was cam2cam shows not dating, not love. Although a experience I learned from, not one I want to remember, I canceled after 1 month and gave up on dating that way. I enjoyed the chats and meeting women so the cam fun began, but was 10% fun 90% work so I quit that to. I wanted to talk to someone after that whirlwind experience, I signed up, seen a friends section and the first women I talk to was Rosa. Nuff said
RE: It's true, love happens..
I believe the difference is I stopped doing cam shows so when I met Rosa it was just a chat and no sex or nudity involved. We connected immediately and were instantly attracted to eachother, because all our meetings were clean without dirty talk or sex we soon fell in love. We were both tired of talking sex and entertaining others so when we met our conversations were always pleasant and a escape from explicit talk and actions.
RE: It's true, love happens..
I have met other models here and there who have shared the same experience so I wanted to put a stamp on this topic. It happens here, in daily life and anywhere there is a male female population : )
10 Things I want to accomplish Year 2014-what are yours
no its not a new year resolution- it's something I'm going to do. Every year when I say a new years resolution they don't happen. Have you ever thought about what you would like to get accomplish this year. Well here is mine and I could use a little help from some people.
1. Relax more-stop planning so much each day.
2. Cross Country Ski more to get back in shape.
3. Take more vacations
4. Cook more at home-get away from the fast food and microwave dinners.
5. Buy something valuable like a 1964 Ford Convertible Mustang and park it in California to drive when visit.
6. Learn Japanese language
7. Accept my stepfather more-he is really a cool guy.
8. Coach a Hockey Team
9. Stay out of trouble--think more
10. Have a couple of crazy wild nights here at cc in 121 private-when I say crazy and wild I mean holding nothing back.
.........have fun all-keep on smiling and love your neighbors
1. Relax more-stop planning so much each day.
2. Cross Country Ski more to get back in shape.
3. Take more vacations
4. Cook more at home-get away from the fast food and microwave dinners.
5. Buy something valuable like a 1964 Ford Convertible Mustang and park it in California to drive when visit.
6. Learn Japanese language
7. Accept my stepfather more-he is really a cool guy.
8. Coach a Hockey Team
9. Stay out of trouble--think more
10. Have a couple of crazy wild nights here at cc in 121 private-when I say crazy and wild I mean holding nothing back.
.........have fun all-keep on smiling and love your neighbors
RE: 10 Things I want to accomplish Year 2014-what are yours
At my age I can only come up with 2 that I think I can get done.
1. Masturbate more
2. Sleep more
1. Masturbate more
2. Sleep more
RE: 10 Things I want to accomplish Year 2014-what are yours
All on your list shows unselfishness, except last part about cc : ) Those are really impressive thoughts and I wish you luck in all, even the wild stuff on the end. You showed your heart in some of the things you said and we can all take from that to better ourselves. Thank you Austin and God speed.
RE: 10 Things I want to accomplish Year 2014-what are yours
1. Get my wife back
2. Get my wife back
3. Lunch
4. Get my wife back
2. Get my wife back
3. Lunch
4. Get my wife back
RE: 10 Things I want to accomplish Year 2014-what are yours
1. Have more sex
2. Release my first music CD
3. Get out of debt
4. Renovate my house
5. Loose about 50 pounds
6. Vacation in Russia
7. Finish up my degree in Arts and Entertainment
8. Invent a new cell phone (not going to say anymore about that, but have got some great features to it)
9. Do more mission work
10. I think I better stick with 9, not sure if I could accomplish 10.
2. Release my first music CD
3. Get out of debt
4. Renovate my house
5. Loose about 50 pounds
6. Vacation in Russia
7. Finish up my degree in Arts and Entertainment
8. Invent a new cell phone (not going to say anymore about that, but have got some great features to it)
9. Do more mission work
10. I think I better stick with 9, not sure if I could accomplish 10.
me thoughtless
I'm sorry for those I may of hurt by my thoughtless actions and immature ways. you'll deserver better and I wont do anyone wrong ever again. 2014.............nice to meet you
RE: me thoughtless
the sentiments and apology are nice and appreciated, Tony... but the promise you make, while well intended, is not realistic. People get their noses bent out of shape too easily... people get their feelings hurt over nothing... people are unpredictable in how they respond. So no matter how hard you try, even your best efforts will not always succeed. Add to that the fact that you yourself are human, variable in your emotions, moods, attitudes, abilities, and if not impossible, most certainly improbable is a statement that you will never hurt anyone again. But still, it is certainly worth aiming for! ;)
i speak as one who has never been the recipient of your thoughtless or hurtful words or actions, but who is just a realist at heart.
i speak as one who has never been the recipient of your thoughtless or hurtful words or actions, but who is just a realist at heart.
RE: me thoughtless
well said. people get hurt over nothing, even when you have the best intentions and it's not worth living your life tiptoeing around other people's feeling.
RE: me thoughtless
If people are so sensitive and they don't have the courage to straighten it out, well pity for them then. And stick to the persons you get along well with. And I never had problems with you, Tony!!
RE: me thoughtless
First of all, I admire Tony for his post. It takes a lot of guts to do that.
Secondly,
Yes maybe some people are what one would call too sensitive at time. But I think that it is easy and unfair for us to say ohh that person is just too sensitive, when maybe it was just bad timing that made something seem upsetting or offensive.
I mean how many of us can honestly say that we have never been hurt, upset or offended by something another person has said or done, be it on here or in our personal life? Does that mean that we are too sensitive?
The fact is that we have all at one time or another, either on here or in our personal life been bothered by something said or done by another;
and at one time or another either on here or in our personal life we have all said or done something that has has bothered another person.
Whether it was intentional or whether it was by mistake, or as can happen on here because of a language barrier or misunderstanding of how something was said or done was misinterpreted, such upsets happen.
If a person does it with the intent to hurt, upset or offend another person, well then that speaks for itself. But if a person does it without meaning to and or without realizing it might be taken wrong, then all we can do is say we are sorry and learn from it.
If we care about how others react to what we say or do then we will do like Tony and let that person or persons know we are sorry and then continue on. Usually if possible we go directly to those we have upset and apologize but Tony is brave enough to say it here.
Tony, from the times we have talked I do NOT believe that you are a thoughtless person, because a thoughtless person would not do what you have just done here. You are a very nice and kind person. Just like the rest of us you are human, we all make mistakes, we all do and say things that we wish we had not done. I for one respect you for your post, it shows just how caring a person you really are and I compliment you. It is nice to meet you too. huggggggggggggggggg
Secondly,
Yes maybe some people are what one would call too sensitive at time. But I think that it is easy and unfair for us to say ohh that person is just too sensitive, when maybe it was just bad timing that made something seem upsetting or offensive.
I mean how many of us can honestly say that we have never been hurt, upset or offended by something another person has said or done, be it on here or in our personal life? Does that mean that we are too sensitive?
The fact is that we have all at one time or another, either on here or in our personal life been bothered by something said or done by another;
and at one time or another either on here or in our personal life we have all said or done something that has has bothered another person.
Whether it was intentional or whether it was by mistake, or as can happen on here because of a language barrier or misunderstanding of how something was said or done was misinterpreted, such upsets happen.
If a person does it with the intent to hurt, upset or offend another person, well then that speaks for itself. But if a person does it without meaning to and or without realizing it might be taken wrong, then all we can do is say we are sorry and learn from it.
If we care about how others react to what we say or do then we will do like Tony and let that person or persons know we are sorry and then continue on. Usually if possible we go directly to those we have upset and apologize but Tony is brave enough to say it here.
Tony, from the times we have talked I do NOT believe that you are a thoughtless person, because a thoughtless person would not do what you have just done here. You are a very nice and kind person. Just like the rest of us you are human, we all make mistakes, we all do and say things that we wish we had not done. I for one respect you for your post, it shows just how caring a person you really are and I compliment you. It is nice to meet you too. huggggggggggggggggg
RE: me thoughtless
That about sums it up for me, well said, keep on keeping on and ride it until the wheels fall off. It takes digging deep to say I am sorry and realize our mistakes, to say it publicly also shows balls, most games take 1 ball to play, this one takes 2.
RE: me thoughtless
To Tony and all the other posters. Why are you sympathising with him and saying it takes courage to make this apology? Bullshit! It takes courage to go to the people he has upset and make a personal apology, it takes no courage at all to make a simpering general apology in a forum! Plus, I seem to remember a similar apology, in this forum, a few months back which obviously was not sincere if he needs to apologise again!
RE: me thoughtless
I am sure he did make a personal apology, he posted here to others he does not know that he may have upset and apologized to them as well.
problems with the new camera
Hello everyone.I just bought a new camera, a logitech C920.When i start my session the image keeps jumping in a weird way, i have no idea why is this happening.Anyone else experienced the same or can tell me what to do to solve this ?Thanks in advance.
RE: problems with the new camera
you forgot to put me in CC! :) I think my problem with "jumpy" image comes from browser or maybe lack of Ram, cause I didn't change cam recently... =/
RE: problems with the new camera
you sure that is what the problem is? your cam? parts of me get pretty "jumpy" (if you know what I mean) when I see your pictures ;) hehe
RE: problems with the new camera
;) Good to know my pics still impress after being here for ages :)
RE: problems with the new camera
Smiles and thanks for sharing your beautiful pictures- love them
RE: problems with the new camera
I like them too very sexy and also very happy to see someone close to my age, so lets do it
Neck play
Hi there lovely slender neck ladies. Do you have a long slender neck and prominant collar bones. Please contact me. Would love to see you play with your slender neck squeezing and stretching it nice and tight. While wearing a shoulder free top and your hair up so your long neck and prominant collar bones show. Cheers Steve