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usually what you can do to find lyrics rather
easily, is goto your favorite search engine,
and do +lyrics +"song phrase"
you'll get your song pretty fast then.

But then she wouldn't be able to make a big drama out of it

you are the one making a drama out of it.gorty posted & was helped by people here,no drama.its your type who turn posts that gorty makes into a drama by hijacking it & turning it away from the original point of the post.the good thing about you & your ilk posting is that gorty now knows she has more friends than those who insult her.so even your negative posts have turned into a positive for her :-)))

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hmmm is the drama

You people are so easy.

Try Black Night by Deep Purple:PP

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Thankyou, Vera. I have been listening for hours, and still could not hear the words. Too much echo, and, they are Americans who cannot speak the Queen's english

christ, man....when you're going to take jabs at americans for not speaking all proper-like, you might want to first give a quick read-through of your message for typo's and grammatical mistakes and such before clicking "reply"......i failed 5th grade english, and even i can pick out a few of your fuck-ups.

before you start saying things about us Americans,do a little looking into who sings that song.the name of the artist is ATB and he is from Germany. get your facts straight before you open your mouth.

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yeah, lose the kilos - if you think you're a fat pig, then you probably are.

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Honey.... if they already asked you to do it again then youre prefect as you are. If you are uncomfortable with how you are now then lose a couple. If happy.. then stick with how you are :) xxx

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welcome :) xxx

Where is WTF when we need him?

He wont be back at forum as WTF, if at all...

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and the forums are a poorer place without him too ...

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Yup she sure was...........but gone a long time from cc so I assume she got a real job.........now its your turn LOL

I was reminded of her as I was cleaning out my Yahoo address book.

Yes she got a real job. I haven't spoken with her for a while but the last I heard she was doing well and had got promoted but was also very busy. She had lost her net connection at home so is seldom on line.
She was a lovely person and an excellent host. Very much missed.

I am glad she's gone

Why?

lol... this is great.. do you write these yourself? and do you mind if I print it out? I put mad poetry on my wall at home and it tickled me! :) xxx

Print away, lol

u have a strange taste in wallpaper..lol

thankyou! lol I know this. I have odd little bits Ive collected over the years in little frames waiting to go in my newly decorated hall :) and that was funny... Ill have to have a look for some more I think :) nutter xx thankyou xx

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very funny:)

very good, and so typical of everything THAT administration stands for.

teachers! I always KNEW they couldn't be trusted. They always scared me in school

SUPER size it !!!!!!!!!!!!!

is the american way

http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/denzelbamc.html

By the by, what exactly have "Alec Baldwin, Madonna, Sean Penn and other Hollywood types" done to "make front page news with their anti-everything-American crap"?

No, really.... Edumacate me.

Because anti-war crusades are meant to be in front of cameras. Acts of charity are usually done in private. I doubt he wanted a million cameras on him as he wrote his check.

thank you for this post,
as you stated it was not widely mentioned that DW did that,
it shows what honor and respect some well off people have.
as for why the anti-war babys get the press and not him...
my opinion is based partly on fact,
the fact is the press wants to slam bush ''for starting this war'' so it is bad press for the press to say any good deeds.

To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.

if it's a "fact" that the press "wants to slam bush for 'starting this war'" then prove it.

well, if youd read the new york times, the boston globe ,
the LA times, etc at least twice a week for the last3 years. you would see the hype and BS and treasonous stories.
but i guess it is okay in your country the have headlines like
''SECRET wire tapping of suspects'' and stories stating the US govt tracing deposits of suspects.
but then i assume you want me to ''prove the fact'' the fukn sky is blue and water is wet also DF

you're calling me a df?
your answer to the question of why "Alec Baldwin, Madonna,Sean Penn and other Hollywood types make front page news with their anti-everything-American crap" was "my opinion is based partly on fact, the fact is the press wants to slam bush ''for starting this war''....huh?
when asked to give proof of that "fact" of yours, you go on about shit further off target, shit that doesn't even make much sense.....the public knowing that the government is surveilling terrorist suspects, you consider the public knowing of that as being "treasonous"?.....how the hell do you rationalize that?.....seriously, you got some terrorist sitting in the u.s., and what, you expect him to not have given thought one to the possibility the government might have its eye on him?...you think that he wouldn't have taken measures against that if that particular bit of news haden't been brought up in the press?
your whole rationale on any such subject is pretty much that the right is right, and the left is anti-american?...am i right?
just for kicks, tell me what other state secrets is the press serving up to aid those nasty terrorists?...come on, go back to that pile of all those papers you've collected these past three years and find one front page headline that actually IS treasonous.....bonus points if that headline in anyway implicates alec baldwin, madonna, or sean penn.
yeah, and why do i have a hard time believing you read any of those papers at all, let alone each of them twice per week....one look at the op-ed section of the new york times and i think you'd shit yourself.....fess up, did you get the names of those papers from bill o'reilly's list of the most liberal, most anti-everything-american, crap papers in the country?

well if you know me, then you know i babble and go off track.
that being said, i started off answering why alec baldwin and others get the press... but ran off on a rant but ended with the answer, which was'' the press doesnt want to print good news about people doing good things, they mainly print BS about antiwar shit antics.
as for the right being right. well they may not be right. but the dems have a plan to fix things, and they will let us know in november, oh i meen january. im not sure but i think it is september. i havent heard thier plan yet. or oh i know they didnt mean last Jan.
lastly, if you want me to look thru my pile of papers to find facts and treasonous reporting. why should i?
just know that when you vote for clinton in '08 i will vote against that whore and her sociopatathic womanizing communist husband.

how fantastic ... What a gem of a man. Its the quiet acts of charity that speak the loudest I feel. Thankyou for sharing this.

A much less disillusioned nosey xxxx

acts of charity, quiet or otherwise, are great.....using celebrity to focus public attention on charities or causes that could well use it, hell, that's great too....what i find loathsome is playing on people's emotions and tugging on their heart strings in the way this chain letter does, only to then turn the message completely on ear to chastise others for things both unrelated and untrue....it's manipulative...it politcizes that act of kindness, and in so doing, it detracts from those who could use the help of others for the sake of demonizing those whose politics are deemed "anti-american"....it's disgusting.

Is that true?

its a mystery

I'll give u her phone number if your that desperate!

I know a bit but not much... ccmail me i`ll tell u what i can...

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Ok member and fan....
From the last time i was chatting to her she was doing well, happy and crazy as ever, was studying again etc, and had herself a boyfriend.
And from what she was saying she didn`t miss cc one bit, was having gr8 time away from here... But as i say this is kinda old news, a few months old, cos she doesn`t be online very much in yahoo now.. :( But all in all she seems to be doing well.. :)

She was a waste of time and money. CC is a better place without her.

you chose to spend money on her, and give her your time. Jackass

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I agree entirely with you noseybird.

I sometimes think they do it just to try and be controversial and replying to them, which I have done, just encourages them.

They are also almost invariably anonymous posters showing that they really don't have the courage of their convictions.

Um, yes, people who smoke all thier lives deserve lung cancer. Did they think the cigarettes were cleaning thier lungs?

I enjoyed Steve Irwin's shows, mostly, when i happened across them. Yes he was a good man concerning nature. But it does not make one bit of difference.

Does a man who holds a lit stick of dynamite until it explodes deserve death? Yes.

Does a man who injects himself with huge doses arsenic deserve to die? Yes.

Steve, put that dynamite away when you are playing with your lighter. Bad things will eventually happen. He lived dangerously and deserved his fate.

ok, explain those people who get lung cancer
and never having smoked a cig thier entire life.

do they still deserve to get lung cancer?

in a word, no

having lost one parent to lung cancer.. over 6 years after she had given up and a 12 year battle to do so. And then a grandparent to the same, who never smoked once in his life I can most definelty say noone deserves a death like that from smoking. Although angry that it should never have been an issue and I agree that the risks are entirely too prevalent to want to take that risk (its a habit I just dont understand as I dont myself) I cant imagine that anyone who has carried someone though that would have the opinion of.. serves them right. I wonder how you would feel watching your mum die at 56 weighing less than 8 stone and not one hair on their head? would you have the same opinion? I watched that woman be more couragous and strong in the last 9 months of her short life than most people are in all their years. Same for my grandad. Never once smoked.. but was a fireman for 23 years before he retired. So guess it must serve him right too, choosing that profession, stupid man. And of course if he had been trapped and burnt to death.. well served him right too... silly silly silly. ( I despair really I do)

Top post ! I couldn't agree more. He, probably more than any of us knew the risks involved with what he did for a living.That did nothing to deter the passion he had for what he did. It is beyond belief that people can be so disrespectful and downright insulting to the memory of a man who made a difference to so many lives by enriching their understanding of life on our planet.
Also sadly disillusioned

Very well said Noseybird.... It disgusted me reading those posts also. And you put it the best way possible in this post.
Some people just don`t care or pretend not to care, and remain nameless..
Freedom of speech and all but the man still deserves respect and so do his family and friends..
So wise up all u anonymous ppl out there, just cos he did things u couldn`t doesn`t mean u have to disrespect his name and the way he died. he lived his life to the full and beyond which is more than i can say about others, i wish i had half his nerve to have done what he did. To do something more than a 9-5 job.

So come on ppl give the guy some respect in what he achieved in his life and quit being so nasty..

RIP Steve Irwin.

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Getting too wound-up in these message boards is bad for your mental health. Trying to convert evil people or improve bad comedians is a thorough waste of time. Save your psyche and start a blog somewhere to pour your heart and intelligence.

Why should noseybird go somewhere else? If the dolts have the right to post crap here, why not the rest of us? Seems silly you suggest someone should go elsewhere.

Silly boy, of course she has the right, but she will be frustrared dealing with some of the dolts here, that's why i recommend a forum where her deep thoughts might be appreciated without the peanut gallery jumping her neck. I used to throw my 2 cents in at every opportunity unless the morons wore me out.

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at some point I can see me having a heart attack! I dont get wound up often but when I do ... I just cant shut the hell up lol although I can hear the cries of " we wish you would" from here! LOL

... although some of us would never say it to your face noseybird because there are those amongst us who have the hots for you despite not even knowing who you are! ... but fuck me, you post more than I do and that's an extreme feat some days! Keep up the good work, and whatever rumours you hear about me, they're all true.

it's true you like to wear pantyhose and sniff Brie?? I was reluctant to beleive it of such a distinguished fruit... but if you say it's all true I'll beleive you :-P !! ps it was anonymous who gave you up ;-) I hereby promise to get a hobby that doesnt include a keyboard or cam...any suggestions? Miss NB xxx

yes, that damned mr anonymous ... however, I think the rumour got a little mangled. I like to wear pantyhose until I smell like a brie ... there is a subtle difference. I think a nosey bird like you could mend me of my deviant ways ... or come up with a few new ones ... I have a feeling that you may need to ccmail me ...

... and as for a new hobby which does not require a keyboard or a cam, might I suggest eating bananas ... ?

There is always someone who has to make smart ass remarks about tragedies. The best thing to do is to just ignore them. Replying just encourages them.

Even though Steve Irwin's job came with risks he sure didn't deserve to die. I loved to watch his Crocodile Hunter show sometimes. It was obvious that he really enjoyed what he was doing and then there was the suspense when he would pick up poisonous spiders and snakes, lol. I'm just shocked that he died in such a freak accident. RIP.

In my view, everyone who has ever lived on this world has had thoughts at one time or another to strive to do something useful with their lives, whether they be someone whose name lives in history such as the great politicians, thinkers and scientists of the past, or someone who will live on in future histories such as current day world leaders, the indomitable Mr Irwin, and even yours truly, a humble banana. Whether the things these people do are positive or negative is irrelevant, in that they all have an impact on the world; the impact some people have is far-reaching and important, while with others the effect is greatly over-shadowed. I would put Steve Irwins impact on this world in the former category (and it was a positive one at that) one report puts the estimated number of people who have seen his shows at 500 million in 136 countries, and I suspect that there would be that many again who, when asked do you know who the Crocodile Hunter is? would answer in the affirmative.

I have no doubt that the question will always be asked was he involved in a dangerous profession? and the answer is, of course, yes. Another question could be did he choose to do the dangerous things that he did? and once again the answer is yes. And yet a third question, directed to him, may well be did you deserve to die because you did these things? and I would think, like most people, his answer would be no. Everyone has a right to live their lives to their fullest; for some people that may mean four score and ten years (and nowadays even more), for others it is sadly less, but if they have lived their lives everyday the way that they wish to live them, and are taken young (I say young because he is, after all the same age I, and I consider myself still young), then they can still say that they have lived the life that they wanted and have strived to make something of their existence on this planet.

Noseybird, you are right to question the people who sit anonymously behind their computers and criticize the life of someone who has lived an interesting, albeit dangerous life, and tried to make this world a better place through science, understanding and education. Jacques Cousteau did it for the oceans, Joy Adamson for the lions, Dian Fossey for the gorillas and Steve Irwin for just about every weird animal that every walked on the Great Southern Land. RIP Steve Irwin

a sad and disillusioned yellow fruit

beautifully put me old fruit (or not so old as it seems), thankyou xx

yes, nosey, there are truly some ignorant people around here. And they usually post under the name "anonymous.'

there was once a man who thought that taxing salt
was a foolish thing to do. so him and a bunch
of other people went to the ocean a bit away from them,
and started getting salt that way.
needless to say, he wasnt liked much.
a few years later, he was assassinated.
he knew the risks, he knew it was only a matter
of time. not of how, but of when.

Once again a load of irrelevant drivel from an Anonymous poster.

dissing gandhi to take a shot at an anonymous poster....how thoroughly non-digusting of you.

The men in white coats will be round for you soon i suspect. (dissing Gandhi??)

just who do you think that first anonymous poster was speaking of?.....before you scratch that itch to be belligerent toward someone, try piecing shit together to first at least understand whether that someone is really deserving of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_March

I know little of anything about Gandhi hence the question marks. It appears you know little of civility. At least one of us can recognise their failures.

"Once again a load of irrelevant drivel from an Anonymous poster."

"The men in white coats will be round for you soon i suspect"

are such statements really your idea of civility?

btw, i wasn't the anonymous you first replied to....i'm the asshole who came in after the fact to express my disgust at how you treated him....how about an apology to the first?....that would be mighty civil of you, wouldn't it?.....or does your ignorance give you a pass for being a dick?

I rest my case

what case is that, max?......the case that you jumped the gun to be rude to someone for a bullshit reason?...the case that you're so "civil" for having done so?....the case that you lash back hypocritically to someone being an asshole to you for you having been one yourself?.....yeah, bravo, max, and what a brilliantly "civil" case to make.

Yawn ! same shit different day

yeah, ain't that the truth.
come on, max, make that case of yours.....explain why you felt justified in calling someone's allusion to gandhi, in a thread concerning people who choose to life their life, risk their life, and ultimately lose their life for their passions and what they think is right, nothing but "a load of irrelevant drivel".....whether you knew anything about gandhi or not, after reading that first anonymous poster's words how could you be so cavalier in disregarding them and insulting them when he spoke of assassination for christ's sake?...it's absurd to think that your ignorance covers your ass for that.....and when you then go on to speak of civility, it makes it especially absurd.
yeah, you appear pretty near completely full of that "same shit", max.

i see the anonymous are at it again. Max merely asked what that they meant by him insulting ghandi, he certainly never invoked ghandi's name nor did he insult him in any way

the pseudo intellectual anonymous children in their typical mean nasty way jumped all over this. but hey they are princes of the real lalong with their best buddy member

it's you clowns that need to get it,m you are the beignnings of all strife in these room. would that you were half as intelligent as you keep telling the rest of us you are. unfortunately you are pompous little fools waving there pom poms

oops tha was princes of the realm, not that it matters they are what they are
pomppom girls of bullshit

ahhh.. yeah, thanks, man....that clears up everything.
fess up, just how drunk are you right now?

"Max merely asked what that they meant by him insulting ghandi, he certainly never invoked ghandi's name nor did he insult him in any way"

no, max "merely" said,"The men in white coats will be round for you soon i suspect. (dissing Gandhi??)"

"the pseudo intellectual anonymous children in their typical mean nasty way jumped all over this."

was not max being "nasty" and "jumping" on someone when he said to the anonymous poster he first replied to, "Once again a load of irrelevant drivel from an Anonymous poster."?

"but hey they are princes of the real lalong with their best buddy member"

but hey, like, what the fuck are you trying to say there?

"it's you clowns that need to get it,m you are the beignnings of all strife in these room."

you're blaming the anonymous poster that max took a shot at for being the "beginning" of the "strife" not only this thread, but in "these room" too?

"would that you were half as intelligent as you keep telling the rest of us you are."

how can i keep "telling the rest of you" something i've never once "told the rest of you"?

"unfortunately you are pompous little fools waving there pom poms"

how am i a fool?....what "pom poms" are you referring to?...explain yourself.

The day I explain myself to an Anonymous Internet Troll is a long way off. When you post under the Anonymous banner you are one of several people that may make good or bad comments.Trouble is nobody knows who says what then do they? Take a look at several of the threads here about Steve Irwin and the postings under the "Anonymous" banner then explain to me what the f**k goes through some of their heads. Quite frankly I don't really give a shit what you think about me as you are just one of a faceless crowd without the balls to put your name to something. The white coats comment was meant to be a bit of a joke but I assume you don't get my kind of humour. Never mind eh?

if you don't know who you're speaking to here, try speaking to what that person actually says.....is it really so difficult to focus on the ideas a person is expressing rather than who is expressing them?...should they be read any differently?....should you consider them any differently?...should you respond to them any differently?...if you think so, try explaining why....and if you're up for that, try explaining as well why those "balls" you possess should care one iota who the hell you're speaking to anyway..if you believe in what you believe and if it truly is a matter of having the courage of your convictions, it really shouldn't matter, now should it?
yeah, and take a look again at that thread yourself......if you're keen on calling even those who posted with nothing but kind words to say fucked in the head too, that makes me only wonder what the fuck may wrong with you.
and so your little comment about the men in white coats coming to get me was a joke?.....cool, tee hee.....and your very first post to this thread, to the anonymous poster speaking of gandhi, was that a joke too?
quite frankly, max, if you think i give a shit about you personally, you couldn't be more off base......if it's not apparent, if you're really that dense, let me spell it out for you: i was responding not to you personally, max...i was responding to what you said....i said what i said and i responded to you the way i did because it seemed to me that you were being a cantankerous ass to someone without any good, "civil" reason......just returning the sentiment is all....but hey, never mind...not another word about it, eh?

OOH! touchy little troll aren't you

ooh trolls, ilike that since the only realm they princes of is the garbabge dump, and by the way little anonymous boy since this is the only level the likes of you and member can sink too

i don't drink, nice try though

hey war whats up?

eh just too busy to type as badly as i usually do so that will have to suffice

bless your heart. :)

Bravo! Very well said. I couldn't have said it better myself. muahhh

Alot of people dont bother readin profiles.

I call it black humour :(...dont like those things a lot
What if some girls here think they r ugly? :P

I'm an ugly bastard and I found it funny :)

likewise
And I'm pretty,
pretty ugly too!

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I'm an ugly Aussie sheila and I found it funny too

u would find anything funny inyf. no wonder u have that chat name. think u got some issues here

Yes i do find a lot of things funny but that is the consequence of only having one neuron running around my brain. i did have two but one went away on holiday and for some reason never came back.

However I do find your statement a bit of a contradiction as I would have thought that someone who has issues would not be the sort of person who finds everything funny.

As for my chat name I like it but I could always go back to my old one of IHateAllHosts if it will make you happy :D

and i find it funny that your an ugly bastard, INYF :)))))...have u got some proves?...i wouldnt mind to get them :D

Nadeen do you remember last week when you were at that bar with all your friends and that really ugly creepy guy with boils all over his face, greasy hair and revolting BO kept ogling you and making suggestive licking movements with his tongue and who eventually unzipped himself and let you all see his privates ?

Well that was my brother and he is the good looking charming one in the family :P

( to give you the chance to make another "low" remark hehe )

I think you're having one charming family, would like to meet them :D

Psy I'm glad you feel that way as we have already sort of adopted you as our sister.

We are about to be made homeless due to several incidents that were not our fault and we have decided that the best course of action is to move to France and live with our wonderful, beautiful,sexy sister.

Is it okay to say your sister is sexy ? (ooooh what a low life comment).

I'm looking forward to meeting you guys.. It's such a delight!
My sister, my sexy sister, she's really worried she won't be able to please you or your brother.. but she can learn fast :)

rofl.. wrong little puppy lol

no you wouldn't, because they are above the fray, therefore you couldn't relate to them or anyone who has not lowered themselves. sticking up for ur good friends in here, is not what im talking about, but what the hell, u do it all the time. it also goes with the territory of this site and the fraternity created amounst those who are considered so called friends. u people are a monopoly.

oh and psy thank god u wont have the chance to meet them

i would suppose then u have no problem psy when being asked by someome=can i fuck you?

If it's INYF then I'm ok with it :P

( you people lost your sense of humour or what? )

nevermind then psy

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I showed my brother your picture Monika and he was most impressed - in fact he is licking it even as I type this.

I have given him your number and so he should be calling you soon. To help him out you might like to check what colour underwear you are wearing so that you can answer his first question. The heavy breathing doesn't last long.

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haha :))..and i agree with girls...you just proved your charming, INYF! :)))))))

LOL, As an Aussie I can see the humour in it,.. LMFAO

i laughed

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Very good :)

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"no" hurts when it does. let it happen. feel the pain. live and learn.

Only say yes to me...no to all others

Can I fuck you ? No No No

That hurts everytime it happens to me :(

low life remark, oh well, goes with the territory here i assume.

Yes this is a porn site so I guess it goes with the territory.

GR asked a question and I answered it as best as a shallow man who cares about no one but himself and sees girls only as sexual toys to satisfy his own perverted sexual desires can.

Listen can't you pick a name, it doesn't even need to be your member / host name, but at least then I would know if you are the same anonymous who posted above.

You may wish to read my post below where I adviced the host who dreamt of a man with two cocks who didn't know what to do with them that she should take one up her pussy and the other up her ass.

Hopefully I will be able to think up a few more low life remarks to the next few posts.

good keep it up, most in here enjoy the trash remarks

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Ahh so i am not the only one,.... if you want to wake me up really quickly,.... u just have to say Incoming Contact..are u still thereee??? :)))))))))))))))00

Double Penetration sounds good.

Dreams of 2 cocks, must have been called Jose and HoseB

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Fire one at a time and the girl will be very happy.......like a two up shotgun

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I loved that guy... How sad. :(

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Poor guy, i loved his 'Wohooooooooooooo' phrase :( :(

More info: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/5311298.stm

RIP Stevie

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Crikey!

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You would know

Why are people sad because of an idiot that once fed a crocodile with a baby in his harms? He got what he deserved...

You should pay some respect for the guy who did so many for us to be able to see things otherwise impossible... Because of these courageous men, world evoluates. Its true he played with fire so many times, but its too cruel to say he desirved it....
Shame on you..

If he wanted to risk his life... fine. But risk others life? Grow up...

Of course he deserved it. He was swimming too close to one and it got him. Just like when "poor" Dale Earnhart killed himself in a car race. He wrecked MANY people and finally got his in the end, just like he deserved. So Steve, serves you right.

Of course, next time when you cross the street and someone runs over you, I hope you will get what you deserve. Such an asshole! Does it hurt to say "RIP"? or just shut up? sheesh

RIP Steve..

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iam disappointed in you Psy. Both of you really. When you do dangerous things and something bad happens ... YOU DESERVE IT. Noone FORCED him to do those things he did. If he was forced to, then yes, a pity. He CHOSE it of his own free will. Accept the consequences. When did it start that personal responsibility for one's own actions disappeared?

Do I look like I care that you're dissapointed in me? If yes, then you're looking at the wrong person.
What is wrong with caring about someone that died? Tell me, you'd be happy is Schumacher would die? He took risks, right?

He took risks, he asumed them. The baby thing.. yes, it was stupid irresponsible, but that doesn't mean he deserved to die!

i never saw shoemaker race. i do not now if he deserves it. and i never said anythig about the baby. i never knew it till i read it this morning and it does not imfluence my opinion on THIS matter.

he played with dangerous animals and died by one not-quite-so-dangerous one in then end. Yes, he did deserve it.

What is plainly obvious is there are men who are willing to take risks,show courage in the face of adversity and live and chase a dream and ambition and in doing so become better men, influencing people all around the world in a good way. And then there are low forehead heavy eye-browed people who are seething with jealously when other guys have the balls to do things you could not in a million years.

Steve was the former. You, it seems, are the later. I'd like to know how much of your life has influenced people across the world and most especially in your home country? How much of your wealth have you invested into buying up land to secure as a wildlife preserve, for example? Or how many people have you educated and inspired with an interest in wildlife that will ring on for decades to come?

You think he got what he deserved? Maybe you are right. He has earned the respect and admiration of many hundreds of thousands of people across the world all of whom are going to mourn his loss. He deserves to be talked about in a positive way as almost everyone but you are doing. It is tragic that he died so young but he died doing what he loved best. And looking back on a short life you can hardly say he was not busy chasing that dream or enjoying it. He was passionate about his 1st love of wildlife and infectious to all who watched him or met him.

Do you think you will ever become so motivated in life? I doubt if you will influence a single person in a good way with an attitude that is bitter and sour and quite frankly, shameful.

So you didn't care for Steve, big deal. Keep your gob shut and let others who did care express their feelings. What is that to you hmm? Gonna make you cry to hear other people mourn is it? Why is that such a big deal? What makes you feel you have to be so petty and trite? It is a pity you cannot be a real man and show a little bit of temperance and understanding.

Only the bile of another Anoymous Coward, typical.


RIP Steve.. Crikey mate, I didn't expect that! *sniff*

TNTMSIS

you are my God! That was one of the best replies in any forum I have ever read.. Kudos to you and thankyou for taking the time to reply. Now where do I send subscription to The Naked Truth Newsletter? lol

Nosey xxx

Hmmm TNTN, sounds kinda catchy ;) hehe... I was not aware there was one? Psy, what have you been up to when I have not been looking? :P Next thing I know there will be a Mattel (c) Inc doll of me in all recommended stores :P

Seriously though. Who let the AC's dictate what should or should not be discussed in this forum? If I say it once I say it a thousand times if you don't have the balls to stand up for what you believe in, why on earth would you expect anyone to care what your opinion is? When will they learn....?

TNTSOFN

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you've been posting to newsgroups and internet forums for how long?.....if it's been a stretch of time any longer than a week, you're either retarded for thinking that egging on trolls will shut them up or you actually get your kicks rolling around in the mud for the chance to prove yourself something better....
who let the anonymous cowards dictate what should or should not be discussed in this forum?...are you fucking kidding?

I rest my case...

Thank you AC for being such a shining example of a foul mouthed loon with nothing much to say, but you felt you had to say it anyways.
Your anonymous buddies must be so proud of you, err asuming any of them knew who you are ;)

Tut tut.. it is as if I never went away.. ;)

TNTIABAGPTO

elucidate that case of yours.....i dare you.
make a single valid point why you should be held above being shown the very same kind of treatment you show those who post here anonymously...is it because of your cute little handle?...does that "name" of yours alone really grant you the privilege of knocking every single anonymous poster here without consequence?
in a thread whose subject is the passing of someone whose passion in life had a hell of a lot to do with overcoming ignorance and the negative stereotypes and hatred that ignorance breeds, here you are scapegoating anonymous posters alone for the flaming in this thread....here you are painting all anonymous posters in the same defamatory light....did you happen to read the first two anonymous replies to this thread,?.......do you have the "balls" to reply to them directly to tell them both that their sorrow means nothing to you because they didn't append their screen name to their posts when writing to say how sad they are because of what's happened?
yeah, an anonymous poster "dictated" that this thread turn into what it is....christ, you're such a hypocrite....you shirk your involvement and your perpetuation of this shit completely with some presumption of superiority for the sole reason that you dub yourself "thenakedtruth".......tell me, brainiac, all rational and logical-like, how the hell do you find the audacity to do that?

*sighs* Here we go again... I really wish some people would stop and THINK about what they are posting before they go right ahead and embarrass themselves by not reading carefully and taking umbrage with an issue that is not there. For the record I have _never_ had an issue with people who post anonymously, I have issues with a _specific group_ of people , who post anonymously. Don't understand what I mean? Of course not, else you would not be dragging this whole debate where it really ought not be needed.

There are many valid reasons why people should post anonymously to a discussion forum or a news group, you would know that if you had enlightened yourself to the human condition and stopped to read alt.abuse.recovery. But posting anonymously for the purpose of starting controversy , spreading lies, starting off malicious rumors or just being verbally abusive, intolerant or contrary to the general feeling of a thread or discussion is NOT a valid reason. It is _those_ people I term Anonymous Cowards or AC's, a term not of my own, but suited none the less.

You have some sort of problem with the way I can divide people posts as easily as that? Tough! It is not like I would or should give a fig for someone who won't even both to read my posts properly. Hell, you cannot even bother to use quote marks when you quote me! I suspect, like being anonymous, that is because you are too lazy to follow any sort of etiquette with your posts. Everyone who has ever read my posts will know the moment I think a subject is going off topic I adjust the title to reflect that fact so people can skip over it and the thread becomes undiluted. I suppose you have a problem with that also? Well of course you do, everything else so far as been some sort of personal attack on how 'wonderful' I think I am. It is a pity you don't have the guts to take it to me personally. Why not? I am only a ccMail away... what are you afraid of..? But your 'type' never do alas. Prefering to seethe in public getting all angry and upset when there is never a need to be.

That is how I can have the 'audacity' to say what I like and to berate AC's as much as I like. I show accountability. And I challenge every AC out there to show the same. But I don't think I will be holding my breath about it ;) Is it any wonder I don't find this stuff amusing anymore? Hey ho..


Oh and have I been posting on line long... longer that you buddy, I'd wager.

ccgeneral!virtualspanking!berate-central!silly_ol_ac

TNTNGTSMTON

"*sighs* Here we go again... I really wish some people would stop and THINK about what they are posting before they go right ahead and embarrass themselves by not reading carefully and taking umbrage with an issue that is not there. For the record I have _never_ had an issue with people who post anonymously, I have issues with a _specific group_ of people , who post anonymously. Don't understand what I mean? Of course not, else you would not be dragging this whole debate where it really ought not be needed."

over the course of the first three messages you posted here you've used the words of a single person to rail on against anonymous posters generally.....you've not once made any sort of distinction between those anonymous posters you feel are are deserving of your sermonizing, your sickening show of indignation, and your ad hominen attacks, and those who are, for whatever personal reasons you have of judging them so, okay in your book.....not once.
in the context of when your messages have appeared here and why, am i supposed to just assume that you're speaking only to the anonymous poster who dared to utter something unpopular?....reading your first post in this thread as a specific reply to one person's ideas, i pretty much agreed with, it wasn't until the subject of free speech arose afterward and your insistence at demonizing all anonymous posters continued that i took "umbrage".

"Freedom of speech is not about having to say something just cause you feel it. It is feeling you have to say something because you mean it."

who are you to judge what anyone else simply "feels" compared to what he really "means"?.....and how exactly do you deem the difference?......for you, is making that judgement entirely emotional?....are ideas YOU don't find offensive the only ones worth a voice?

"There are many valid reasons why people should post anonymously to a discussion forum or a news group, you would know that if you had enlightened yourself to the human condition and stopped to read alt.abuse.recovery."

where did i ever say that there weren't "valid reasons why people should post anonymously to a discussion forum or a news group"?.......go on, quote me....point out where you read moer right.
.....or is it just that you're trying to shoe horn something you only wish i had said so you could publicly shame me for my unenlightened, anti-human, pro-abuse "feelings"?......a dirty ploy, and a fucking sickening one at that(oh, please do excuse my foul mouth, won't you?)

"...But posting anonymously for the purpose of starting controversy , spreading lies, starting off malicious rumors or just being verbally abusive, intolerant or contrary to the general feeling of a thread or discussion is NOT a valid reason. It is _those_ people I term Anonymous Cowards or AC's, a term not of my own, but suited none the less."

*sigh*,*gasp*,*insert appropriatly condescending expression of exhaustion here*
finally, that distinction!....the distinction between good anonymous posters and the bad in your eyes...the distinction you haven't made until, umm, now.....but i ask you, do you feel that way ONLY about anonymous posters, or are those the same principles you apply in judging the words of ANYONE here?.....or do the "balls" of simply filling out the "from" field when posting a message here(on an internet forum, far away from the threat of suffering any kind of real consequence for what is said) give a person a complete pass in your eyes for doing any of those things?
by the way, except for the extremes of slander, engaging in or inciting lawlessness, i disagree.....everyone should have the right to speak their mind, share their beliefs, or publicly opine in damn near any other way they see fit....hell, i even have no problem when some self-righteous twat tres to shame someone he disagrees with and casts prejudicial dispersions on everyone else that person he disagree with resembles.....if you're going to say something you know someone will disagree with, and it's something you "mean", just be ready to defend it.

"You have some sort of problem with the way I can divide people posts as easily as that? Tough! It is not like I would or should give a fig for someone who won't even both to read my posts properly."

i have a problem with you being a hypocrite.....you wail on about compassion and understanding and the like, and you're nothing but hostile toward someone you disagree with....how does morally bullying a person whose beliefs you find offensive effect change in that person's heart?......really, what do you think you're accomplishing by calling into question the slope of a guy's forehead after he says something you find offensive?.....do you think you're doing humanity and all your kumbaya ideals justice by doing so?......you might want to give some thought to the idea that maybe, just maybe, the way you've been acting , all righteous, condescending, and condemning, put people on the defensive and against you no matter what good you might have to say yourself.......if you're really so concerned about decency and tolerance, you might want to hold yourself more "accountable" to those ideals.

"....Hell, you cannot even bother to use quote marks when you quote me! I suspect, like being anonymous, that is because you are too lazy to follow any sort of etiquette with your posts. Everyone who has ever read my posts will know the moment I think a subject is going off topic I adjust the title to reflect that fact so people can skip over it and the thread becomes undiluted. I suppose you have a problem with that also? Well of course you do...."

oh, i do, do i?.....fact of the matter is, i was dismayed to see so many quibbling over the logic of someone deserving to die in a thread when so many others simply wanted to express their sorrow that that same someone is now gone.....but no, you presume i have no etiquette, you presume every last prejudicial "anonymous coward" thing about me because i'm doing nothing more than posting without filling in that "from" field.
hell, if you were to understand that i only replied to you after you marked this particular line in this thread "off topic", what would you say to that?.....i wouldn't be adding to this thread at all if you weren't being bigoted and intolerant and coupling that with the nerve of speaking of compassion and tolerance at the same time....people who preach morality and in the same breath rabble on in hateful terms, i simply can't stand to be left unchallenged...

"...everything else so far as been some sort of personal attack on how 'wonderful' I think I am. It is a pity you don't have the guts to take it to me personally. Why not? I am only a ccMail away... what are you afraid of..? But your 'type' never do alas. Prefering to seethe in public getting all angry and upset when there is never a need to be."

the guts to take it to you personally?.....do you mean to say that if that anonymous poster you found so offensive had posted the same words here under his screen name, that you would never have posted here publicly to effectively call him stupid and sub-human, but would have ccmailed him to do so instead?
seriously, if you can't understand that i'm publicly "attacking" you in this forum, right here and in this very thread for you having publicly and personally attacked someone else right here yourself, you're an even more an ego-centric, self-righteous twit than i first thought.

"That is how I can have the 'audacity' to say what I like and to berate AC's as much as I like. I show accountability. And I challenge every AC out there to show the same. But I don't think I will be holding my breath about it ;) Is it any wonder I don't find this stuff amusing anymore? Hey ho.."

i'm sorry, what?......you're taking all my many "personally attacks"(easily dismissed as such, right?....i mean just call them that and you don't have to address the ideas underlying them, right?.....you know, the ones that specifically address your "accountability" and all)...you're taking them and using them to

My my my .. now didn't I just rattle someones cage? Talk a lot don't you? Well, that is when you are not copying almost my _entire_ posts to use as padding you do ;) At least you had the courtesy to use quotes this time, even if you did have to be prompted to...

I expect you are expecting some long diatribe where I feel obliged to justify my reasoning or squirm in the spotlight of you oh so cutting (Ahem) observations. Forget it. I have played that merry-go-round more than enough times now and quite frankly I bore of it. I bore of you in fact. Always with the 'hypocrite', though you give precious little actual evidence. Word of the week perhaps? But if it not hypocrisy then I am 'pompous', 'egotistical' yada yada etc...

Why on Earth would you think I care any more what you think because you go all Mr Angry on me? It doesn't change a thing. It doesn't make you look any smarter and it doesn't make me look any dumber. The fact will remain that people who hide behind anonymity in order to say nasty, spiteful things or to cause trouble and avoid the consequences >ARE< lower down on the evolutionary scale. Sorry, that is just how it is. Unless, of course, you think that sort of behavior can actually justified in any way? Hmm? If you do, then please be as eloquent at explaining that as you seem to want to be at lambasting me. Because there would be something we would all like to see.

Till then I suggest you give up your one man crusade at trying to make me out to be something I am not and perhaps get out more. It is not healthy for you to have all this pent up rage you just _have_ to let us all know about. And you really, really don't want to think about I how I can seem to push all the right buttons to make you explode any time I post.

There there.. you knew I was going to be condescending to you sooner or later ;)

Question is now how much are you going to itch for the last word? How much do you feel you _have_ to be the one with the final, final say? I'll lay money on you insisting you do even when the post is three, five , ten pages back. You will just _have_ to find something to say.

Ahh well... I, on the other hand, grew out of that a whiles back. So, have fun. Sure you will just love to know I am sooooo right. ;)


TNTWWYUTTASB

"My my my .. now didn't I just rattle someones cage? Talk a lot don't you? Well, that is when you are not copying almost my _entire_ posts to use as padding you do ;) At least you had the courtesy to use quotes this time, even if you did have to be prompted to..."

my, my, my.....here i am, after having bowed to your wishes, quoted you verbatim, and directly addressed every word you've typed(you know, so as to be sure i haven't misread you), and what is your response?...chiding me for talking too much and padding my post?

"I expect you are expecting some long diatribe where I feel obliged to justify my reasoning or squirm in the spotlight of you oh so cutting (Ahem) observations...."

no, a person left to defend an indefensible position usually invents a reason to extract himself from having to defend it.....what i expected was pretty much what you gave me.

"....Forget it. I have played that merry-go-round more than enough times now and quite frankly I bore of it. I bore of you in fact. Always with the 'hypocrite', though you give precious little actual evidence. Word of the week perhaps? But if it not hypocrisy then I am 'pompous', 'egotistical' yada yada etc..."

...yeah, just like that.....

"Why on Earth would you think I care any more what you think because you go all Mr Angry on me?"

because your inflated ego can't stand the thought of a lowly "ac" getting your goat and punching holes in your argument.....you're afraid of looking a fool....that, as far as i can see, is your only reason for having continued to respond to me thus far....

"It doesn't change a thing. It doesn't make you look any smarter and it doesn't make me look any dumber"

really now, is that YOUR reason for engaging in this kind of debate?.....it couldn't really be mine, now could it?....i mean what interest do i have in proving myself smarter than you?......hell, if that were my intention i would probably want people to know who i am, right?...as for trying to prove you "dumber", that's certainly not the case, now is it?

"The fact will remain that people who hide behind anonymity in order to say nasty, spiteful things or to cause trouble and avoid the consequences >ARE< lower down on the evolutionary scale. Sorry, that is just how it is. Unless, of course, you think that sort of behavior can actually justified in any way? Hmm? If you do, then please be as eloquent at explaining that as you seem to want to be at lambasting me. Because there would be something we would all like to see."

i suppose it all boils down to what a person considers "nasty" or "spiteful" or an intention to "cause trouble", doesn't it?.....i mean here you are, lobbing even more condescension and trying to steer away from any real discussion of what i say by simply casting patronizing aspersions...aspersions based on your prejudices, and not quite relevant to what i'm actually saying...i could very well find that offensive, couldn't i?....especially from someone who says, "if you don't have the balls to stand up for what you believe in, why on earth would you expect anyone to care what your opinion is?"

see, i extend your definition of what lowers someone "on the evolutionary scale"....i'd suggest that ANYONE who shows no real capacity for entering a disagreement with an ability to defend his ideas rationally, but instead constantly tries to beat his argument home and that he's right because that's "just the way it is" isn't particularly bright himself.....either that, or he's fearful of directly addressing any opinion opposing his own and he means to muddle the actual debate with one of his own invention...a debate against so many "expectations" of a person who would disagree with him instead of an opposing person's actual ideas....you know, that sort of thing.

you ask me to justify someone doing things you find distasteful from "behind anonymity" as if i'm even making that case....my main contention is(or initially was) that you've been knocking an entire group of people for the actions of only a portion of whom you find distasteful..namely, anyone here who posts anonymously...you didn't distinguish between your notions of good and bad anonymous posters until pressed.....and, if given your argument that it's because you feel a person should be accountable for what he says, i have a hard time understanding how you or any member here, assuming whatever name he wishes, could truly be held accountable for anything....tell me, what real consequence could there possibly be?

anyway, so you think anyone who posts here to cause controversy or to intenionally offend without having to accept responsibility for doing so is sub-human..fine, i think that's dandy.....but i ask you, why not focus your attention and your efforts in directly and exclusively addressing that single person you judge to have had the intention of offending?...or better yet, counter that person's ideas alone rather than the kind of dispicable person you think he is for what he's said...because ultimately, it's only what that person has said that you disagree with, right?...here, on an internet forum, where people express themselves through words alone, that's pretty much the crux of things, is it not?

"Till then I suggest you give up your one man crusade at trying to make me out to be something I am not and perhaps get out more. It is not healthy for you to have all this pent up rage you just _have_ to let us all know about."

thanks for the tip, mr tnt(*sigh*...if that is your real name).....i'll try to keep my "crusade" from eating away at my health....i'll try to control all my "pent up rage" as best i can.....really, anyone who has read thorugh my postings here and suffered in any way from all my "pent up rage", i'm very sorry....tnt is dead on when he said "i just _had_ to let you all know about it"...i humbly apologize to each and every one of you.
*sigh*,*rolls eyes*,*eats his own head*
seriously, what's with this "us" business?...i've heard it now twice in this forum in less than an hour....who appoints any one person here representative to speak for everyone else?

"...And you really, really don't want to think about I how I can seem to push all the right buttons to make you explode any time I post...."

i don't?....why not?......come on, tell me...purrrrrty please?
that quote, those glorious words of yours actually reminds me....what was it again you hoped to accomplish by antagonizing an "ac"?...please, do tell.

"There there.. you knew I was going to be condescending to you sooner or later ;)"

you don't give yourself enough credit, tnt... you've been patronizing from the get go...*wink**wink*(ahh, yeah...it is fun, isn't it?*winks some more*)

"Question is now how much are you going to itch for the last word? How much do you feel you _have_ to be the one with the final, final say? I'll lay money on you insisting you do even when the post is three, five , ten pages back. You will just _have_ to find something to say."

antagonism.....it's a lure that some just can't resist, isn't it, tnt? *winksies*

"Ahh well... I, on the other hand, grew out of that a whiles back. So, have fun. Sure you will just love to know I am sooooo right. ;)"

you got me, i couldn't resist......you were right about that at least....you wittle wascal, you. *winkie dinkie*

"TNTWWYUTTASB"

seriously, man.....wtf?

a stingray not so dangerous?again an anonymous poster who makes statements from the throne of ignorance.bull stingrays while not aggressive are very dangerous.not only do they have venom but their barb is like a serrated knife.try opening your mind before you open your mouth,unless you are first opening your mouth to take your foot out of it.

How dangerous was it? When was the last time that happened to someone? It seems a bit of a freak occurance. Pretty ignorant comments you make. And, who is "noone" and how did he/she force him to do it, genius?

are you saying taht me choosing to cross the street is comparable in foolishness to playing with snakes and crocs other dangerous animals??? foolishness

It's not about comparing those, but about taking risks. You don't have the balls to take more risks than crossing the street, your problem.

i cross plenty of streets. if you recall, it was not me who brought up about crossing streets, Psy.

If we follow your argument to it's natural conclusion that Steve Irwin deserved to die because of what he chose to do in his live then yes it is comparable.

You chose to cross that street and people do get run down when they walk across the street. Therefore if you get squashed as flat as a pancake you deserved it as you were prepared to take the risk.

You can't have one rule for him and one rule for you. People either deserve to die because of the consequences of their actions or they don't. The amount of danger involved should have no bearing on your decision.

Steve Irwin was a very entertaining man and will be sadly missed.

Funny i just read this thread entirelly and most of the ppl who posted seem to forget that he didnt even die from a crocodile bite or smtgh. He was doing a documentary about ocean diving and died while he was punched in his chest by a stingray...wich is not a bad way to die btw (no pain). It was an accident and it could happen to any diver out there...so by your assumption any diver who dies because of a stingray diserves it.

finally an intelilgent reply. I include this from Yahoo! news at this URL http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060904/ap_on_en_tv/obit_irwin :

Irwin was at Batt Reef, off the remote coast of northeastern Queensland state, shooting a segment for a series called "Ocean's Deadliest" when he swam too close to one of the animals, which have a poisonous barb on their tails, his friend and colleague John Stainton said.

"Ocean's Deadliest" ... hmm .. "a documentary about ocean diving"

I guess he proved the point in the title. Nice try, Joy.

another idiot saying the amount of danger in crossing the street is the same as teh amount of danger in playing with dangerous animals

Thank you you didn't let me down.

I knew your reply would be nothing but an insult because I had already won the argument.

Before you call me an idiot perhaps you should look at yourself and read my post again as you seem incapable of comprehending very basic English. I did not say the amount of risk was the same in crossing the road as working with dangerous animals. I said the amount of risk was irrelevant in determining whether someone deserves to die or not.

Explain to me where the level of risk a person takes in their live ceases to be acceptable and the criteria you use so that I can try to understand your argument?

Someone who flies - do they deserve to die ?
Someone who smokes - do they deserve to die ?
Someone who drinks - do they deserve to die ?
Someone who boxes - do they deserve to die ?
Someone who works in a zoo - do they deserve to die ?
I will leave it here as I really can't be bothered with people who are incapable of at least a semi intelligent conversation / argument.

There is hope for you yet though as at least you have the decency to be ashamed of your views.

Actually tens of people die everyday crossing the street. It almost happened to me twice. So yeah, thats extremelly dangerous nowadays.
To anon...i didnt know what the documentary was about exactly. But it was still an accident, the stingray was hidden in the sand and apparently Steve hit it by accident. And of course he knew the great risks involved, he took charge of his own actions but that doesnt mean he diserved to die for crying out loud.

This guy was a pioneer in his approch to bringing wildlife to people who would never see some of these things normally. As with all pioneers/leaders they get out there and do things that others wouldn't dare. To have some half wit morons saying he deserved to die is both disrespectful and un-necessary. He entertained the masses with his knowledge and his antics....what have you sad w**kers done ??? RIP Steve

That crock was 50 feet from that baby.. Next time dont be fooled be camera andles , sheesh..

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Stingray has appeared on BBC denying all knowledge of this.

I know! ... Troy Tempest would be turning over in the box he shares with Captain Scarlet, Joe 90 and Scott Tracy ...

That is what you get when you play with fire. Sometimes it burns.

Are any of you humane? Jeez, it is a life that has been lost!

Unlike a lot of people, Steve actually cared about the animals and saved many animal lives. He did nothing but great work for Australia and a Legend has been lost!

R.I.P Steve Irwin

I was immensely saddened by the news of Steve Irwins death, the man did so much for conservation throughout the world and yet some idiots posting here cannot respect his death. Yes he did take risks and sadly this was one risk too many. I hope that you guys realise the value of respect when you have a sudden heart attack while wanking in video here, still, its a risk you have to take right? God bless you Steve, and our thoughts should be with your young family.

From my own understanding Steve did only wonderfull things for the animal protecting programmes, he revived the entire australian tourism and trough that maybe he brought new jobs for the people in tourism and actually saved a few species. WE only saw him on tv playing with crocodiles but he did lots of other good stuff. Maybe he was nuts indeed but he actually made a difference for the world, unlike all of you that say "he diserved it". Its like saying those astronauts from Columbia diserved to die because,hey, they took a chance.

The Columbia shuttle crew did take a great risk, although i would not say they deserved it. A technical malfunction does not make one deserve death. Playing with dangerous animals ... you deserve it when it comes.

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I will repeat my former opinion about this matter. The people in the space shuttle did not deserve death, although we should not be surprised by it. It was an equipment malfunction that led to teh explosion, not their own foolish decisions. They did NOT deserve death the way Steve Irwin did.

Dont tell me my opions, nosey. I can make them for myslef.

nosey just has this way of making opinions for other people. it's just her way. actually she couldn't care less.

I dont make your opinions at all.. you make your own... how can I make your opinions? I simply put mine across and enjoy the debate that generally ensues. And beleive me if I didnt care I wouldnt bother... I have a life off this screen and prefer to spend time in it. I feel strongly about alot of things and this is the forum to talk about it when something arises... according the forum description.

definate attitude problems and u slam the anon. in here, at yet how is anyone to know who in the hell u really are?

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seems you spend a lot of writing for no reason at all

Im bored damnit and need a hobby! I lol I should have at least put my cam on really today shouldnt I? **sigh**

I wouldnt presume to tell you your opinions as frankly your opinions are, in my opinion, ridiculous. However you seemed to be quick off the mark to rebutt mine.

A technical malfunction is a risk of flight... as would be evident by studying the flight issues of Shuttles in the past. For example.. the problems with Columbia echoed the problems with the fated Challenger in 1986. Both tragedies were a result of a malfunction that although identified as a potential problem by engineers in advance of launch they did not correctly inform senior officials at NASA. You are not telling me these highly educated professionals in their field (the astronauts incase I've nlost you) did not know even the basic information about the Challenger? that is clearly crap. They knew the risks. They knew that their safety lay in the hands of these engineers and decision making NASA gods and still they chose to take the risk doing something they could'nt spend their lives not doing. I dont beleive they deserved to die. In the same way I do not beleive that fighting troops who choose to join an active force dereve to be picked of by sniper fire. I dont beleive that the police officer who runs into a fight to save someone deserves to die. Noone deserves to die simply following their hearts desires and having the courage of their convictions.

And I would appreciate that next time you call me out or tell me what not to do you would at least identify yourself as something other than anonymous.. have a little backbone.

backbone, looks who's got no backbone. for a chathost your name isn't even in the archives! too many hypocrites in here.......!

There is a fine reason for me not giving my real chat host name. Business. My opinions and thoughts do not influence how I treat my clients or visitors and I do not want them to influence who comes to see me and how they may treat me when they are in my room. As it happens one of my regulars knows who I am and I am happy with that. I didnt ask him to identify himself specifically... if you read correctly you will notice I said " at least identify yourself as SOMETHING OTHER THAN annonymous" more to seperate him/her from the other annonymous posters we have. While I am sure that some clients would be respectful of my opinions and beleifs others maynot ... and easily could come into my room and cause trouble for myself and others in my room. If a client came into my room they would be treated with kindess and respect regardless of their take on life. As I cannot be garaunteed the same I choose to remain as noseybird.

oh now thts fucking brilliant, for every reason, you have an excuse. do keep on...........

thanks I plan to

despite the Aussie accent strong enough to cut with a knife, as a fellow Antipodean, I too was saddened by the news. I was entertained by him, as were many people, and the world is now a poorer place with his passing.

To the ones who 'misguidedly' say he deserved it. You act as though he was an evil person who harmed animals and therefore got what he had coming to him. That is REALLY twisted logic. The animal kingdom NEVER had a better friend than Steve Irwin. To say that he deserved to be killed is a statement of pure ignorance. You are the same type of people that say that Terrorists deserve the same rights as law abiding citizens. How did this world come to have such twisted points of view on something that should naturally evoke only basic human compassion. I can already hear the Left wing Wackos newest chant "George Bush lied, Steve Irwin died" Don't laugh, I am sure someone is working on that conspiricy theory as we speak.

Anyways, I believe Steve Irwin was a truly gifted and kind human being. I feel nothing but sadness for the young family that he left behind. I take some small comfort in knowing that at least he died while pursuing his passion in life. To me that is the best way to go and I am sure that his family knows that he died with no regrets for participating in life rather than just being a spectator like most of us.

Very well put

well said :) xx

with all due respect to steve irwin. Dubbya did lie, and even right wingers now agree with that fact.

lol and what exactly did 'dubbya' lie about? And please back it up with facts. I am not one to drink from a cup of Kool-Aid just because everyone else thinks it tastes good to them.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aVomrIQvz7jQ&refer=home

Also beautifully put.. good to know there are so many compassionate and intelligent people on these boards :) xxxx

Its a sad thing that he died, but i must also ask this...how many of us will be able to say we died doin what we loved most? We should all be so lucky.

RIP Steve

The guy lived life full tilt... The passion and enthusiam for the things he cared most about was amazing... Wholly infectious too..
Combating ignorance, dispelling fear... being a champion for those who don't have a voice... Anyone who dedicates his life to such noble efforts is aces in my book...
It's a sad, sad day...

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im very sorry to hear this, because i liked her very much, regardless of her sexual preference. :((

she gone forever
shaking up with girly-girl

She is working in her own IT web biz.........I don't think you will see her again unless it fails. I agree with all those who said she is a treat to be with; one of the cleaverest of all cc hosts and certainly not bad to look at too. I will miss her the most of all of you because I adore intelligent and beautiful women and she is the best I have found here :(

i hear she deceived a lot of people. she is smart as she knows how to work the members then take their money. another con-artist?

She was the most intelligent host I meet on cc. It takes two to tango..........

thats not what i hear

wonder if any of this has anything to do with something posted in here about a week ago. the post was called *The Jerk*?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

I guess the dog is going to die out.. :) Like a dinosaur..

But why? We (i have meant my exteam) just have won against Andorra 5-0! Bruhahahahahahahahaha

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If you know you are going to get hassled by certain girls do you go back? and why if it bothers you so much? Just curious.

I am talking about in Com Chat .............Noseybird ........ not in their room

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1. Because hosts can be so annoying and persistent that promising to come to video is the only way to shut them up.

2. I have never told a girl on here I love her and probably never will.

3. Are you sure you want us to be totally honest :P

i absolutely agree with u puzzled. I hate that too when a girl pulls the guilt trip thing. Totally pisses me of. A few girls did that to me, but they don`t now :)

Thank you totally..................honest host: maybe does not mean YES LATER............ so if someone says that ...... he probably means NO. Sometimes NO means NO.

the vast majority of guys do not love hosts... its not really possible to LOVE a host unless it becomes personal in here. Cam although it isnt faceless... is ust a form of personalized interactive porn. Yes some guys come in to chat and socialise.... which personally when I have time.. I love. But most are here to get off. If they dont come into video dont hassle them. It gives some of us a bad name and puts them off coming in. If they wanted to be nagged for attention and someone taking their money they'd listen to their wives damnit! lol.

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"Nice love and great friendship in text chat ,LOL:))"

You have weird thoughts about love and friendship, if you think members should pay for those things.
Friendship&love starts, when you continue your relationship outside CC and you do because you like the other person, not for money.
Here members can buy sex and fake feelings, nothing more.

So, only money equals love or friendship honest host? Some of us are NOT rich Americans and we help when we CAN, but want to chat and be friends also, but cannot afford to go to video just to chat.

I thought you meant in their personal room as you didnt say in com chat. But I would agree with you. Its inpolite to do that in com chat and bad manners are a discgrace. xx

sorry that last one was me.. x

Talking about Comm Chat........sometimes I think hosts are totally rude to members in there......yet we are the ones who provide them with opportunities to earn money

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I read in CommChat recently hosts saying they don't like old guys. Their business would collapse without us! Any fanciable young guy should be able to get girls for real not pay for it! If they come here, then maybe they have problems relating to women. ;)

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Thank you NoseyBird !! Well said!!

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Anne, the point is that sometimes we CANNOT afford it or just want to chat as friends. You all put things in your profiles about wantin to make friends...friends does not equal money!!!!

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..then be honest and DON'T say you are looking for friendship when you really mean you are looking for money!

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Honest host you girls can't have it both ways.

I know that every girl is here to make a living and that if they could earn the same amount of money elsewhere then they would.

But if all you see the members as, is a walking wallet or ATM then you can't really complain when all they see you as is nothing more than a sexual object that they have purchased to satisfy their sexual desires.

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wow this could be the start of a beautiful friendship :P lol

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You should stop opening other people eyes. Only care about yourself. It is really disgusting listening these words from a dishonest host.
You are one of them, who i have mentioned above. Who are lieing a lot to take members in to paid videosession (and of course keep on lieing during the session too). So would have been better if you had closed your mouth on this thread.

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Dont worry, like i have said before - some weeks ago -, i'll always do my job, when i can see you start lieing again and try to be seem a "clever, honest girl". It is really purposeless, because you cant make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

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1st: We are talking here about you, not about me.
2nd: You always want to know my name, but it is purposeless.
3d: You aint funny at all.
4th: You are the most dishonest person with whom i have ever met on CC in past 4 years. (Unfortunatelly some other people could met you too, as i have read on forums in past months.)
5th: Like i have said before: I'll always do my job. (You should be more intelligent and realize, that i start comment your posts only, when i see you want to be seem an other person as you are. So you can always try, but i'll be here and let to know with others "this was a post by fake gortenzia".)

1st: I dont mind to talk about me cos I have no intention to talk about you
2nd: I dont want to know your name.I asked you how I lied to you
3d: I didn't pretend to be funny.But I find the posts of your ridiculous.
4th: I understood your point of view aboutme long ago, you have fixed idea
5th: I don't mind you to answer me.You may talk about me as much as you wish.Sorry to dissapoint you but I really don't feel this influence on my revenue on CC

6th, the most important: You are lieing again, but i am not surprised at all. Like i have said before you cant make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Wondering if you have ever been honest with anyone.
Dont worry i'll be here always to controll your lies.

and here i thought the mighty member's job was watching me

too bad he doesn't get paid for it has to spend in iordinate amount of time staring at a blank screen since i am not around much , he isn't any good at it, most likely never spends a dime, cannot control his own life or mouth and just makes me quiver with fear.

Oh right forget that last part

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i think is the cadre of anymous oes and the likes of member who need to grow up instead fo running with the lies ad innuendoes about the girls because you just aren't man enough

but you are god for a chuckle on occasion and oh so predictable

now try getting over yourselves

he cant, he is stuck in perpetual motion
this is his life

would appear so

wow!!you are delusional as well.what makes you think you control anything to do with anybody?you are not even in control of yourself.you are like a stone roling down a hill making a little dust as you go & a little splash when you hit the water but then you sink without trace to lie on the bottom with all the other inconsequential debris of the world.

you have come back out into the sunlight.thanks i was wondering what happened to you.how is life under the rock?glad to see you still have your"job".you must be the only person i know who has a job that involves no thought or effort because making an ass of yourself seems like a second nature for you.it seems you like to make statements about gorty as though you are god & your word is gospel yet when she enquires about you,you snivel & cower & say"i'm talking about you not me".maybe that's because you are even boring to yourself. you have nothing new to say just the same old tired garbage about something that supposedly happened back in the dark ages.everybody has grown & changed as people but as long as you carry this moronic infantile obsession inside you your growth will be retarded.while you have part of your heart closed it will only fester & poison your soul.open your heart let go of your anger & be free to grow & enjoy life.

"making an ass of yourself"
I never liked when someone talking about itself. No comment.

awwwwwwwwww tisme i think he wounded you with his best shot
do be sure and soak your little toe

Insane chant0000 always try to care about others business. Nothing changed. Go back to your meds idiot.

you are the one claiming to control people and is always nasty
try your mirror

Not enough meds at nuthouse? Please ask your docs buy more, because you need.

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I found CC from a host on another site who suggested I visit her here for reasons because she knew me well. Being "guilt-ed" into a vid is the same "guilt-ed" into a drink at the corner bar. All the posts are most valid above and shows how much CC is its own community. Wish I had a magic wand to make all happy, but face it... will not happen. The hosts points are valid... they have bills to pay and this is "THAT" kind of site. The members points are valid... they are here because its "THAT" kind of site. Everybody take a deep breath and lets move on... if you find somebody you click with guys help them get through the work day with a smile and for those girls who make me smile without asking for the keys to my car...thx, I have enjoyed it.

Really? Then dont call it friendship and love. I have a better word for you: business.

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member has a job?

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I think everyone needs to
cut each other some slack.
If we come here with a good attitude,
we might be surprised at how much
fun we can have!
Its up to each one of us.

well .... i only read a few of the following posts but i understand but disagre. as on guy how cant vid (finnace reasons) i feel giulty for not being able to view.... but i understand there's to. be haunist with them on why you dont wish to view them and they'll tend to keep away . most don't even both to talk with me now . but the few who do i consider friends , just for the time they can sometime take just to chat .

I get 7+ an hour. I would kill for 78p a minute!

yes but what do you do for that 7 an hour? do you do something personal and show your body and share your private thoughts? Dont get me wrong I am sure you work bloody hard for your 7 an hour and I dont mean to belittle what you do, not at all. But 78p is sod all for some of the things we girls do. I charge what you do minx... and I dont like having to refuse to drop my rate for people but I will as I beleive that 78p isnt much for the things I do. .. and thankfully my clients agree. .. good luck to you chick. Noseybird xxx

If i thought i could get 78p a minute on here I'd hand in my notice tomorrow lol.

In fact I'd hand in my notice if I could make the same as i do know :D

is that all u get as a rent boy

I do that for free 'noseybird' lmao

and to ' ;) ' you can only dream of renting me! roflmao

7p DM? you a low class slut! :)

Apparantly the pound sign does not appear here..... I wouldn't life a finger for 7 pence.

Only me DM ;) was sure you more expensive than that!

You must understand that your competition will strip for as low as $0.50 per minute, though typically for $1.00 or so. Not only that, they are every bit as lovely and charming as you.

I know there r chathost on ere that charge you alot less to view them all i was trying to do was justify why i charge what i charge cuz if u look at the big picture i make very little, and altho i wud love to i aint got the time to work on ere all day so i have little time to reach the $100 target to even get paid!!! I have plenty of ppl who pay my price so it cant b that much of a rip off.

not a "rip-off" just a girl in search of the right clientele

Good points Noseybird!
I think viewers need to try and see
what it is like, on the other side of the computer screen.
Chathosts know their business
and can charge whatever they like.
Don't let any member try to
get you to lower what you charge.
In that members business, they would resist
if someone tried to get them to lower their charge
or rate of pay !

What also sucks is that some of us members spend a lot of money (relative to whatever country we come from) on the site & have no clue how much actually gets to the host or how much value it has to them (relative to whatever country they come from) .
Always thought the girls deserve more for what has to be a wacky type of job.
Charge what you need to make it work and what you need... If I can afford it, we may meet... if we dont... shit happens. Doesn't mean either one of us are bad ppl.

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for .13p a minute a minute I drive a bus for almost 10 hours. I have to chat to the punters and share my thoughts but no one has yet asked my to take my clothes off. Probably just as well!

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So whats your point.......?? R u saying that bcuz you choose to earn 13p that us chathost should settle 4 less to? I dont get to work on here for 40 hours a week but if i did id happily charge 13p a min cuz id b taking home 312 a week !!!! I would b happy with that.

Those of you who feel sorry for the underpaid host should as them for their addresses and send each of your favorites a $50 bill. Or at least go one2one and watch an empty chair for an hour or so as the clean the apartment and do the laundry.

LOL yes !!I Agree!!! lol... I need to clean my bathroom.. if I do it topless will you all come in and pay $6 a minute.. promise it will only take me half hour and the money goes to feed my near death budgie lol

I have smacked myself upside the head and told myself Im an idiot.. I meant hurrah to you member :) **scuttles in the dunce corner and sits there**

I didn't mean that the host has to do anything. If "thecoach" feels so sorry for the hosts he should be content to just pay for the empty chair.

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lol... read my post again and missed where I felt sorry for anyone... just pointing out the economics of a market... you must be one of my drivers, I wish you would get back at work so I can start sending out those $50 bills

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lol DB, if it was my bathroom... we could make a deal... would I get a % of the vid fee? We may create a new category here! We may fill a niche market! xx

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I am viewer rather than host so don't know what it is like to work here, but is it possible that you may get more viewers at a lower price and therefore earn more money in the long run?