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Its not easy to be in love with a host, there are always suspicions but after 3 years I have come to terms with her work! She has to do it to survive and live, I understand that. She would not choose to do this work but has no other choice at this time. Its all about trust! And the same applies in reverse, I am a member of this site and she trusts me to stay faithful to her too! If you have trust then anything is possible!

if it was me i would support whatever desicion she thinks would be best for her...if ur in love with someone it doesnt matter what they do for a living..ur with the person and take all that they do with it

if only all guys thought and respect decisions of their girls as you .. :-) thnx for answers anyhow. now i feel less "bitchy" for my bf.. cos i said truth to him and was afraid of his reaction . )

All guys wouldn't be happy about it.

As for "i would support whatever desicion she thinks would be best for her." I wonder what if your gf was a prostitute who sucked and fucked twenty guys a day without a condom.

The "I respect whatever decision she makes" is a false statement that is made with your own internal limits intact.

give imshy credit - he is just saying, as I understand him, love is acceptance

Oh yes, if my lover who sold heroin and did the occasional hit job it wouldn't bother me at all, as long as the money came in and we didn't fight.

It is not the best job and I would worry a bit about guys trying to seduce her into reality, but I could be serious about her as a gf. However, once we applied for the visa I would ask her to stay away from Not So Shy category and once she got the visa I would ask her to quit this site.

i question you if you come here in search of a real relationship...most girls here...despite what they tell you...r here for the money...they get seduced by it and/or/refuse to develop any other of their talents...from the member perspective...it is similar...funny enough...except you loose your money. ;)

i agree i was hooked on c.c. it can be additicative...bu ti am better now...

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no, i didn't come here for that - i only answered the question that was asked

so you would get her to your country and then expect her to give up her job so she can sit around and cook and clean for you?

The intelligent, educated and charming girls on cc would hardly sit home. Do you happen to think the only thing they can do is be a chat host? Shit, I've met doctors and nurses here. I've met engineering and computer science students.

Where, where, where?
Company executives too? LOOOOOOOL!!!! Oh please!!!

Jealousy and lack of trust is a killer. Even for NonA in vid, a little niggle of doubt creeps in. But, if it is true love then trust is everything.

Any dude who would get all jealous and shit over some other dude who has to pay to spend time with you is a fool.
Don't stand for it, babe. A guy like that is more trouble than he's worth. Set that loser free and find yourself an understanding dude instead.

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Husbands and b/f and even family members will never be jealous. They benefit from your work. It is in their self-interest as much as it is yours to be working here. They encourage and pimp your existence ! Don't think for one minute they respect you or honor your work here.

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Why do you think it is not the best way to earn money?
Especially if you live somewhere in eastern europe where 3000$ a month can provide you a brilliant lifestyle.
I know girls in England giving up their stupid full time jobs to enjoy the easy money from here.
And why would my husband think less of me. He respects me and my decisions in life, loves me and takes very good care of me.
He knows I only enjoy the cash from here and is happy as long as he doesn't need ot pay for my 100+ pounds bags and shoes LOL.
I'm sure many of the chathosts make more money than the viewers and enjoy much better lifestyles.

sure husband's don't complain! You tell they don't enjoy the money you earn?? They don't have to work so hard coz you provide money to them?? Tell me that's not true...

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i'll bet he won't be around so long with you...trust me...he'll need some self respect at some point in his life...or maybe not ;)

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My gf worked here, it is were i met her, she is the kindest most beautiful lady i have met...and every lady i met and talked to here is ...."a lady"a simple word bu tthe truth...she doe s not work here now....i am glad...but i will never think any ill words about her time here...it is were i met her..so i thank c.c......and for people who would say bad words...you are here also do these words no tapply to you?

I know I wouldn't accept it. I wouldn't take any girl from this site seriously. I met many hosts who were with guys from their city towns, married or just living together as boyfriends. These girls were friends of mine and some of them still are, but most of them confessed to had fallen in love with me or other members. Their confessions made me look at reality and know that girls or women that are exposed to these type of jobs are not recommendable. Guys can stop coming here and continue their real life and forget about everything, but girls due to their sentimental nature keep in touch with most members using emails, messengers, sms. these members become part of their daily life up to the point of falling in love with them. So my answer is no. I wouldn't like my gf or wife to do this.

A double standards are among the things which always amaze me. Why do you, men, think that you are somehow "cleaner" or have a "higher" moral than the girls who work here? Why it is you who should judge a girl according to what she is doing? Doesn't any girl here on CC or there in real life have to decide if to marry a guy when she knows he can come on the porn site and pay for the live video?
If to call this kind of work a "bad thing" or a "sin" or somehow else...then lets face it, man is the one who TAKES PART, so the second person in that interaction, then they both are a sinners. But if to admit that there is nothing wrong with this work, so where is a problem then? Just a little thing is required - to be honest with yourself and to start judging yourself first...
Hmmm...being such a moralists, why not to spend a time in the museums and art galleries or just read a good book before going to sleep?

one thing you probably never heard of is that men are men regardless what we do we will never have anything lose as opposed to women that have a reputation to care for. Also, we are not the ones being paid to serve others sins. We pay, but girls can always say no. Do we lose anything by trying? No. Would a real good girl perform a strip tease for other than her husband or bf? No Go and figure it out :-P

I assure you that I have heard many things in my life, and this one too. I have heard this fictive theory and bombastic idea of men's impeccability many times, and I am sure it still lives because it is very suitable for men like you who cover their own sins and justify their own disloyalty "regardless what they do"...Who said to you that men should be a special caste? Have you ever heard the law that BOTH men and women must keep their souls in fairness and their bodies in purity? But ah, it is so hard to keep, so men created their new law which let them to violate the first one, and which let them to use a woman and then to judge her...
Before to judge others everyone has to start from judging his own principles.

I totally agree that women should keep their reputation, but don't tell me that men are those who are exceptions. So, go and figure it out...

men and women will be judged the same. it depends on how you feel inside and how you are prepared to live with yourself to what degree you are willing to deny your inner reality and maybe you prefer to deny it because you do not want to suffer so you continue to do the same things that you will always do and you will never change and hope to be a better person inside for yourself only not for what others think of you.

no one is clean that walks this earth. but all have a choice to make about everything. some will make easier choice some will compromise less to maintain their diginity. others have never known self respect or understand or even care to understand the meaning.

I don't agree, but in the end, if I had a marriage with a girl from here I would prefer she use her education and get a job that would challenge and enrich her.

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is this some contest? The most greedy wins? Does money give you power over men?? Be honest...what's your real intent? Conquer the male sex?

your right...they play with their members...some seriously taking money outside of here...now if your wife is walking around the office showing her pussy...well, just maybe there could be problems. ;)

I dont trust any girl that works here or any video chat site. If she lost dignity, self respect, principles, and morals already. What else can be hard for her to lose? She will easily get rid of me as soon as the next man comes in.

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isn't that just the best and most hypocritical analysis I've read in this thread. bravissimo!

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And I shouldn't trust your dignity or morals for being a viewer??

I am not the sex servant who benefits from others' lowest needs ;-)

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How can you have respect for a woman who doesn't respect herself?

if she's hot, i think i can fake it.

Why do you think we don't have self respect.

I wouldn't like it. It is one thing when she is single and depends on working here fo earn a living, but something different after she is married. If she is living with her husband and he earns enough to support them both comfortably and live a decent lifestyle, if she loves and respects her husband and their marriage, then why would a wife want to go online and show her body and be sexual with other men? And it is not only the showing and the performing for other men... it is the close and emotional bonds she forms with these men... sometimes telling them things that should only be shared with her husband. I don't agree with the "it is my body and i will do what i want with it... i am independent" attitude. if that is how you feel, don't get married... it is that kind of "modern" thinking that has caused the divorce rates to sore in "modern" times. in marriage your body is not yours... it is a gift to your other half... that is the way it was intended...and neither should abuse their gifts... but cherish them and strive to keep them special to the other. if a person does that in a marriage then jealousy is a rare thing. for a married person a place like this can easily come between you and your mate. as i said if a woman was married and didn't need to be here financially why would she choose to be? just because the viewer cannot touch her does not mean she is not giving him a piece of her real self... have you ever heard of emotional cheating? when a person shares personal thoughts and feelings and emotions with someone besides their partner... begins sharing with them things they have never told their partner and developing a deep emotional connection and feelings for that person. it slowly robs the marriage of it's intimacy. think of the ways you show love... sharing secrets, feelings... giving them your time... giving them your energy... giving them your laughter... giving them your soul... giving them your body.... when you begin to give these things to others when they should be given to your partner it is cheating.... because you are taking away from your partner. a wife being on a site like this opens herself up to temptation... falling in love with the attention and compliments of other men... developing bonds and feelings for other men, etc. that slowly shift her focus from her marraige and her husband and draw her deeper and deeper into this world... until she spends more time with these men online and shares more of herself with them than she does her husband and the marriage falls apart.

caveman I presume you are not married

you are correct polka dot, i am not married. but i have a high respect for marriage.

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no question about that.

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so both parties are equal and responsible for their actions...of deception, deceit, passion, promises, sorrow, bitterness, envy, shame, pride, and all the rest of base instincts that drive people here.

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a host.. you speak too broadly... I didn't say ALL the women here do not have self-respect and for your counter... not all the members here are married, so they hide nothing from a wife. As I said before, if a woman is single and working as a host to support herself... fine. If she is married and has to work to help financially and this kind of work is the only option that is available to her that she could earn enough... I think it is sad, but I understand she must do what is necessary for her and her husband to survive. But what about the married women that do not have to be working here for financial reasons... the ones who have husbands that earn enough to support them both and give them a decent lifestyle without her being a chathost and stripping and being sexual with other men? Why are those women hosting? I did not say these women do not respect themselves... I am sure they have plenty of self-respect, however, I think they have very little respect for their marriages. They are hosting just to have adult fun and be sexual with other men... they are doing it for their own selfishness and egos. People can try to protect their conscience by arguing it is just harmless fun because no one is physically touching... that it isn't cheating... but deep down they know it is wrong... that it is cheating and that they shouldn't be doing these things with anyone except their partner. If you came home one day and found your partner and a stranger of the opposite sex sitting naked on opposite sides of the kitchen table, talking dirty to each other and watching each other masturbate would you be pissed off and think they were doing something wrong even though they weren't touching? Most likely you would call them a cheater. So why try to argue that it is ok if they were doing the same thing on computers over the internet? You know it is not. In both cases they are doing the exact same thing, the only actual difference is the distance between them while they do it. And before any host tries to make an argument about married men being here... you are right... I think married men are wrong for being here as well. Both are equally wrong.

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"lol", I wonder, why did you get married? Also, if your husband didn't want you doing this work, or be doing/showing certain things in video, would you care? Everything in your post, was about you... you'll do what you want, you'll work where you want, you'll show what you want... and nobody has the right to say anything about it because you are your own person and you will do it even if you don't need the money. It sounds very selfish and childish of you. Marriage isn't about being independent... it's about being co-dependent. Marriage isn't about "you will do whatever you want when you want", it is about being repectful of your spouses feelings and doing what is best for the both of you. Since you boast about having a degree in psychology, you should be even more aware of these simple concepts than most people. You speak as if you have a happy marriage, but I wonder how true that is... you seem so caught up in yourself and your own desires that I don't think you have even bothered to ask your husband about what he wants and if he is happy in the marriage or to really listen to how he feels about the things you do... nor would you care enough to stop doing them if they did hurt or bother him. That is precisely what I was talking about in my previous post when I said "I believe they have little respect for their marriages". If you want to be part of two independent people living their own lives but living in the same house, don't get married, just get a roommate. If you want to experience real love, respect, understanding and intimacy in a marriage then you have to stop living for yourself and start living for each other... and that means not always doing what you want.

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hahahaha - damn! and I was so pleased when I read every line without mistake. :P

Hahaha that was so funny :) .. and i read it without mistake lol

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that took 40 secs, then sure i must be getting old :P

This old man loved it

WELL when do I find out if I passed or not?????????????

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I have to say I do Gorty, and I find them quite enlightening and balanced. Just my opinion but I like having Laughing Girl in the forums. It gives me comfort that there is at least one person who is smart and sensible as well as understanding and kind. Wish there were more then I would never need to post to the forums ever again. Oh how that _would_ make some people happy ;)

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Keep posting NT and maybe help form a new movement - TPACPC
:-)

I read and admire Laughing Girl as well. It's remarkable how someone so obviously intelligent is able to post so often without showing even a hint of egoism. She's never condecending, and never seeks to incite contention only so she can position herself on the right side of a disagreement, and her posts are still very thoughtful and very thought provoking.
She's the best.

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Yes.. I meant I do read LG's posts. And would recommend anyone else does as well. But of course, you are free to form your own opinions I would not wish you to do something you did not want to do.

Why, I am even told there are people who have never read one of my posts. Imagine that!! ;) Hehe..

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don't bother with banana - it ain't that nice to be honest

Is laughing girl your alter ego TNT?

Now there's a thought. You think she could be my better half? Or worse half? I think you'd need to ask her that, for the record though, she is not me. :)

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T wat?

Didn't think you were same person. Complimenting you both :-)!!!

I totally agree.

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Ok TNT

Thank you, Forum Friend...for the compliment to me too, because I definitely know I'm not Gortensia...lol. I too find her posts very positive as well as very responsive. I am sure the same positive and responsive she is as a real person.
And yes, I always post under the same nickname here in forum, just because I always say what I really think and want another people to know that I am the same Laughing girl. Maybe some day I will post under my hostname but then I will let you know that it was no one else but me.

You and everyone have a wonderful day / night :-)

I like laughing girl a lot. Always intelligent, well thought out posts.

I agree with you Forum Friend about Gortensia. I like to read her posts. As far as Laughing Girl I have not read as many of hers. I will have to start reading them closer now. Thank you for your input.

My dear...sometimes we all feel like that. But it is just a moments of weakness, they will go away. Look around...actually noone is perfect but everyone is unique. You have something what others do not have..you need just to discover what is it. How old are you? Sometimes 18-20 years old girls think that they never will be loved. That is funny, really...And even if you are 35-40yo, it is not the end of life :) You really need some of self-confidence...Stop hardly think that you have to find someone, nothing will change if to think like that. Just enjoy life, it has many other enjoyable sides. Find your own hobby to fill your time, start to create something...and you maybe will find your fate there.

Best of luck to you!

Listen to Laughing girl, discover your inner beauty and you will see all that you have to offer someone. Do not be in a hurry, love will come to you but first you must appreciate yourself for all that you are. Even when we are in a dark mood our inner light is still there...waiting for us to let out. I wish all the best for you and send you a warm hug from someone who knows your true spirit will set you free :))

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Peace to you, for we all feel the same sometime.

Advice sometimes is meaningless, but I will offer this, if you do not TRY to love yourself, you cannot find love in another, nor can they find you. Take a deep breathe, think of all the the things to be grateful for. If you are fat, be glad you are not hungry, if you are woman, be glad you are not a man, if you are poor be glad that you are alive, and if you are sad and lonely, be happy...because there is hope that things may improve.

You are not alone...we are human, therefore we are made form the universe, and you have the stars in your soul...let them shine.

Peace to you, for we all feel the same sometime.

Not yet sweetie :))

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yes send to me :p

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I'm an idiot Laughing girl :) ....didn't get because this is not my nick here ;) So how do we meet when we both are so mysterious? :))

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I believe your mom has wisdom :) We shall see how fate will treat us. Hug :)

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I sometimes feel the same :( and i understand you totally. Even if people say i'm beautiful, i feel so ugly, or i have moments when i feel the most stupid on earth, but im at my second univ and so on. You just have to resist, i learned that these moments come and pass. Try to find a new hobby or go to some classes to learn dunno what silly thing,.. anything to make u smile and never forget to see the good parts in your life; im sure they exist.
..... you are never alone anyway, see how many people write u here? :):)

"Try to find a new hobby or go to some classes to learn dunno what silly thing,.. anything to make u smile"

Yes, and the best new relationships I ever made were through a shared interest - I already had something in common with her and so had a lot to talk about. Also, we all look that much more attractive when we are animated and interested in something.

Thank you, honey...for the response and so kind words :-)
Of course, let be a friends, even if anonimous yet, and even if I am 150 years old ;-) I feel comfortable with people of any age...Just please, change your nickname, I don't want you to be UPSET ever :D

Be like me, I love myself, in fact, I adore myself. I am the most intelligent humorous, person I know. Just check the forums, people sing my praises. Ok, enough about me, let's talk about you. what do you think of me? :--)

I think you are cute as a button. But don't let anyone else know that ok? :D


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Oh I do apologise.. It's tisme who is cute... imshy is just plain old sexy...

Dear dear dear.. hope there are no cat fights now? ;)

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still living the dream,almea.knock yourself out :--) p.s nice that you kept your homo-erotic fantasies about my genitals out of this post

That is because of the power and influence of The Beatles.

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crazy sixties ;) - the most progresive decade of any century ? c'mon - hehe

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all right, a litte lezbo kissng going on with the new girl....yeahhhh

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what's so naty about girls kissing?
are you homophobic?

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lezbo kisses are beautiful things. you shouldn't be so judgemental and so quick to disparage things that might only make you, personally, uncomfortable ... especially here of all places.
peace be with you.

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keep it going virtual one. high aims are needed, and u made a nice start, ;) by the way didn't even know u where BI ;) klem

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i agree, she looks hot

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now there's a novel idea

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im not a host---LMAO,,,,,go back to your dictionary and look up crazy-goober

Yeah, don't you worth it :D

still LMAO, tell me when you find it in you english dictionary, its not in mine, by the way, trust me i am worth it,, im rich

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still LMAO, i have every right to do so, if you dont like it, leave me alone

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Bossman?

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....for women, that's so true.....

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can be true for guys too sometimes....

loll i agree:)))))))

nice one anne. good to see u back again

beautiful, i shed many tears

No, u dont get it. CC said there will be another group of 20. When lovecharm said 40 he meant 40 couples, not 40 people.

when did they say that? i must have been in hibernation

right after they published the first 20 couples, DUH!

show us where they said it then...coz its only u that seems to have seen it

not only him mate, i saw it too. too bad it was already deleted along with all the promotion of this game.

well then i guess u and Pete been wanking too much and its true what they say...it does make u go blind...coz i just got this from CC

"This is our exact statement:

"To the first 20 matches (40 winners) CamContacts will grant $1000 of credit to Viewer and $1000 cash to Chathost!"

Hope this explains.

Kind regards,

Alexander
help@CamContacts.com"

so unless u r sayin now that cc r lyin i think im right...have a nice day :)

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Yes 20 viewers and 20 hosts = 40 winners

VERY True. I always go by them rules. Specially the 2nd one cos u never know when i`ll get a hard-on again :P So its better to use it when it appears :))

when it appears,you disappear DSAW? :--)

problem in UK at least is that they keep losing all kinds of personal data compiled on us citizens

same problem all over Nick, hopefully it looks like our goverment won't be allowed to follow this EU directive (if its the right name), but then again u got google and others too

In a word yes. There is a fundamental problem with improving perceived security through technology. It does not work. That is to say, the more you rely on technology to make you feel secure the less secure you will be. That is when you are not just GIVING away the information to would be exploiters of it for the hell of it.

Biometrics and id cards are the epitome of that.

I will go into it more but unless someone wants me to I shall just leave you a link instead.

http://www.no2id.net/

One last thought.. have you ever wondered why public CCTV ,paid for by the public , installed on behalf of the public, designed to protect the public, is not allowed to be seen by the public? Why are all these councils putting their CCTV systems in fortified bunker type environments. What exactly is it they are protecting themselves from?

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"The Naked Truth is Not a Number he is a Free Man" :-)

Very well cracked :)

thereby proving YOU really need a life now

Are you number 2? ;)


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...in the context of the thread i should be Rover. The balloon is coming to get you:-)

Interesting information, TNT, thank you for the reply.

I'm curious, what are your thoughts on privacy software: encryption programs and onion routing and such? As an adovcate of privacy and liberty, do you use such programs yourself? And if you(or anyone else reading this) do, are you comfortable using it, or do you feel like making use of such software makes you seem guilty of something in others' eyes?

Well my take on issues of privacy has been long established since the first inceptions of public key cryptography first his the wide world in general. I still remember (not so long ago I might hasten to add) when countries like the us tried to 'ban' advanced cryptography from being exported, treating it as if it were munitions being sent to an enemy country, or as they liked to put it, treason.

In a world where documents can be freely copied and passed around with just a click or two there is a place for privacy through cryptography that should never be denied and governments, despite their protestations, will have to accept that.

I think the best way to explain that issue to quote from the PGP faq written 13 years ago now. (http://www.faqs.org/faqs/pgp-faq/part1/)

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1.2. Why should I encrypt my mail? I'm not doing anything illegal!

You should encrypt your e-mail for the same reason that you don't
write all of your correspondence on the back of a post card. E-mail is
actually far less secure than the postal system. With the post office,
you at least put your letter inside an envelope to hide it from casual
snooping. Take a look at the header area of any e-mail message that
you receive and you will see that it has passed through a number of
nodes on its way to you. Every one of these nodes presents the
opportunity for snooping. Encryption in no way should imply illegal
activity. It is simply intended to keep personal thoughts personal.

-- CUT --

It is the old chestnut of "If you are no guilty, you have nothing to hide"
but I have my pride and my privacy which is MINE and I don't give a flying fig whether that makes me look guilty or not.

Of course trouble is we have been giving away our rights to freedom steadily for the last 20 years or so. To the point where the UK government no longer has to actually have any evidence of wrong-doing and can choose to hold you and demand you give them
access to your encrypted information. If you refuse or are UNABLE (ie
forgotten you password) then they can charge you under a trumped-up draconian law and lock you up for years with no appeal.

So the short answer, yes. I use encryption pretty much on daily basis and I wish more people would. I am an old dog and have been around for too long not to know how fragile and exposed the world of the Internet is. Just things like yahoo messenger, skype or MSN are fraught with vulnerabilities. You do realise it is possible to sniff all your yahoo chatter at will given the right circumstances? It is possible to intercept files, images and voice sent between people quite easily?

But why do so many of us not care then, if email is insecure, messengers insecure, voip insecure. Why are we not upset and demanding out privacy? I think most people tend to fall in to mindset of SEP, Somebody Else's Problem. But if you have ever been a victim of identity theft you will realise the more about yourself you give away the less of a person you become in this modern world.

Ok, I know it is kinda long but I hope it makes someone think about this issues at least. It is a wide and complicated subject, but it is
increasingly an urgent one as more and more of our freedoms to discuss this issue are curtailed.


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The Naked Truth has a way of always adding interesting detailed clear information and ideas

Thanks :)


TNT

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We know who you are Laughing Girl.

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the funniest t-shirt design i ever encountered read "665...the 'neighbour' of the beast" :-)

What is interesting to postulate is that give that evil as a concept is supposed to be timeless and exist before man's creation, why is it it took until the formulation of the the Hindu-Arabic system we use now (which includes 0 , which was a 'new' concept at the time of the old testament) to actually associate evil mysticism with numbers.

In societies where abstract mathematics was not required, nor needed, quite often the concept of anything more than the 10 fingers on your hands became just 'many' 1, 2 ..10 , many. Does this mean that if you have no significance in the numbers you are immune to evil that is marked by numbers?


Or is it perhaps a spiritually polymodal need for humans to see patterns and significance when there is none. Just as everyone must create their gods and their prophets in their own image so to do we like to compartmentalise things like evil good and what lies between. Perhaps it is not evil or good which exists but rather our thoughts about evil or good that make it manifest for us.

Quite apart from what some of the truly horrendous things in the world that go on I firmly believe that the whole idea of evil acts on other humans would be obviated if perpetrators where made to experience the suffering they inflict. In a perfect (but very strange) world if you instantly suffered the same fate as your victim you would think twice about what acts you commit against your fellow man.

Off topic I know.. but.. just felt like rambling :)

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Well, the conception of what is good and what is evil becomes much more clear if to accept that both good and evil have their primordial and real essence, and humans are executors...but executors who have their FREEWILL from the very beginning. So, they can freely choose what to execute during their lives. The more each of us acts maliciously, the more evil spreads and grows. I firmly believe that every person, being in sanity, is able to understand what is good and what is evil, and moreover, his inner voice exactly tells him where he is right and where he is wrong. If he brings sufferings to someone, he anyway knows and somewhere deeply inside his soul feels that he is wrong. But it was his CHOICE to do that. That is why people always try to justify all their wrongs but again, why? Because they feel they are not right, therefore are not happy. Human's nature wasn't created for executing evil. Partly those who brings sufferings to others are suffering too...(as an example read Dostoevsky's "Crime and punishment")...but another part of sufferings and punishments lays beyond our physical life (or reward and gratification if you were keeping to do your the best during your life).
So, it is not only our bad thoughts but our bad actions for sure feed the evil, give it a power, make it real and keep things in the world such as we have.
As for numbers...any of them means nothing in itself, they are just a numbers. Much more important WHAT people are doing to make them significant, so ACTIONS is what makes not only numbers but any other things "clean" or "dirty"..
Well, I was trying to answer on your question, The NakedTruth :) Seems I went too far...lol. Ah, and forgot to say...it is just my point of view, so I am not insisting everyone should think like me.

Just heard a report of a woman in Saudi Arabia who is going to be beheaded because he supposedly practices witchcraft.... The evidence against her was a white robe in her closet and a couple of men who claim that she cast a spell on them and made them impotent.
Do you think court sytem in Saudi Arabia realizes that it's the instrument of evil?

don't they know to throw her off a bridge.if she floats,she's a witch.sheesh when will some systems move into the 21st century :--)

Unfortunately, there is no any perfect system in this world, just some are much far from fairth then others.

is it true that in Russia, they look at your bank accounts and income as well?

Not necessarily. Still depends on who you are...and also if it has something to do with taxes or crime.

Big Brother is creeping all over the place, just look how many members get bent out of shape when some post with "Anonymous", next they will want us have a ID number tattoed ala Concentration Camp style.

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How about to prevent the "bad guys" from winning, they look up your ass, open your mail, investigate your health history, eavesdrop on your phone calls, open your mail, monitor your banking activity, confiscate your laptop every time you cross the border, check your voting record, steal elections, lie about civilian casualties during wartime, steal taxpayers money to conduct illegal wars, assassinate "dissident" activists, torture "terrorists" to obtain information, create weapons that will activate from outer space, ...is this OK, if we protect "ourselves" from the terrorists?

Good question...but everything is not so easy like we used to be told by newspapers and TV. It is only a half of a truth...moreover, sometimes it is not a truth at all. Most of the horrible things in the world (terrorism, crisises, viruses etc) are actually initiated "in vitro" for the other, much more secret aims, which average citizens never know. And then, after the horrible thing "was happened" they tell us that we need IDs, biometrics, fingerprints and other methods of control "to prevent" those horrible things...Otherwise, how else could they explain their arrangements to control everyone and everything, including a private life. Every law-abiding person doesn't need that actually...
It is hard to believe maybe, but even so-called "free world" essentially is not free. It only seems that you can do everything what you want. But if you try to think deeper, you will discover that noone is actually have a real freedom. You're tied by hundreds of connections with civil being and you think you couldn't survive without them. Thus, you must do everything what is prescribed by civilization. And you will follow any new laws just to survive. This is the main tool to manipulate people all around the world.
"What for" is another question, too deep and serious...and as I know is forbidden to discuss in this forum...

they already did that to my dog LG.you think he might be a terrorist? :--)

I understand you irony, tisme :-) But don't forget that many many things were probed on the animals first, before they were applied to a people. The next it could be a children for the same reason as animals...well, probably some already are. You better think what and who stands behind all that. Yes, the aim could seem very reasonable but there could also be another reason, which have nothing to do with announced safety.

sorry, typo...instead of "another reason" I was going to type "another aim" :-)

all very true LG,but on the up side i can now listen to the radio when i take him for a walk :--)

Well, yes :-) But reminds me that too much of commodities and conveniences are also among of those things which put us in dependence...

Commodities and conveniences, that is so true. Not only do they enslave us, but the companies that make their profits off of the commodities and conveniences they provide us rarely care much about the damages their products ultimately cause.
Scientific information about the negative health effects of cigarrettes, for example, or the scientific studies that have shown high correlations between mobile phone use and the development of brain tumors. Such companies pay huge sums of money just to try to hide or dispute that information just for the sake of their profits. It's evil.

I hope your happy when "the goverment" starts to tax you for useing your credit card here

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same here..but shit happens

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damn u took on her dream too..AINT HAPPENING

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its a tough life aint it

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depends on who that person is

aren't you a sweet threesome - klem

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But that is okay with me for now......

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I had a lot of fun with that and got paid too! :-)

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i didnt know bunnies can drive :P

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all women are lovly in one way or another,im sure you are too.

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Here's hoping you got the special Valentine you wanted dave. I would say with a ******* (country) postmark on it but I'll only get into trouble again with the moaning minnies and dreary willys here. :P

Happy Valentine's Davey))) Love ya lots)) Mwa)

sure baby leave ur number and i'll send u some sexy messages:P

the spirit of you discourse is good but the intention misguided.

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keep dreamin aint gonna happen

Since when?))

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HVD :)

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explanation for Gorty: you posted first, doll then posted like, "I second that!". It means she agrees and supports you. Remember the song, 'I second that emotion!' ?

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and a happy valentines day to you Vera

Guess all includes me unintendently - klem

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Hehe.. well then I might indeed have something for you ;) Stay tuned because this is not all.

Happy Valentine's :)

TNTHSASFEBWBRTA

the strikes over...get back to work on those soap operas!! and leave us alone.

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:D..mmmmmmmmmmmm... ;-)