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I'm glad you had such a lovely time. Obviously you didn't get any visits from members like me :D

inyf why you think that?i thought you were the strong,silent cum early type... :--)

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omg..sweet pie...i ll have diabetis soon

You sound like a nice girl (or woman if you prefer) and I wouldn't want to do anything to change that by making your stay here less than pleasant :)

Don't exaggerate. Most things stay there. What were the topic(s) of the post or posts you made that were deleted. SOmetimes it is not what is said but how it is said that causes a post to be removed.

i'm talking about it being 'viewer only' when nothing can be said there that doesn't make its way out to all of cc...
so everything might as be well just be posted in general forum

actually i rarely post there, or here for that matter

I like not having to hear hosts responses. A better question is why is the host forum not viewable unless you're a host, but you don't have to be a member to look at the viewer forum.

Because hosts can learn from the remarks but private host information would not have any interest to viewers.

That's a double standard, we should still be able to see. If it wouldn't interest us than why does it matter if we can see it?

It would not matter if viewer forum unreadable by hosts, because most of the time it is viewers that go and tell their hosts when something is written about them and they tell them what is said. and then their host will simply get that viewer to respond for them.

Hosts can not respond in viewer forum..

Another thing if viewer forum was made so hosts can not see then you would see a lot more hosts joining the site as a member just so they can read and respond to viewer forum.

There are those of us members that have joined as a host just so we can read host forum, and believe me, there are times that you do not want to read what is in there. Unless you want to read about hosts and their monthly and womanly problems....and I for one really do not want to read about such things. loool....

Besides that, we members have said that we don't want to read about hosts complaints, that we are paying customers and we come here for fun and we are not here to hear about host and their problems.

So if that forum was open to members, it would only cause more of those same complaints.

We can not have it both ways guys.

Host are the business owners for their rooms why should that interest the customer?

The viewer forum is not Las Vegas

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I don't know why I bother. I post, occasionally, but I have no idea if anyone there cares what I think lol, and I don't get much useful information there myself. I would rather just talk to hosts.

Since I've been here (2008), the most thoughtful posts I've read from members have been in the general forum, as a general rule.

"Since I've been here (2008), the most thoughtful posts I've read from members have been in the general forum, as a general rule."

But are they really members? No way to verify. I agree there are some very silly posts in viewer forum, but the real silly ones are from these morons that post about getting free naked shows in non adult and getting hosts in softcore that do not strip for others strip only for them.

As far as throwing "mud" on a host, yes that happens in in many cases it is done wrongly, but there are also cases where viewers have exposed some bad hosts. Yes, most hosts do a good job, so let's praise them and tell our fellow viewers about the bad ones.

Oh I agree there's no way to tell who is posting, but that doesn't really matter if the content is persuasive and thoughtful.

As far as the viewer's forum being useful... rarely, for me... that is a matter of whether the member posting is 1., evaluating a host using criteria that I can relate to; 2., relating an experience that is close to what actually happened; and 3., not someone with an ax to grind, or some agenda to advance.

Certain hosts get bad press, as a rule, and based on my own experiences with them, they don't deserve it. And I'm pretty close to a host on another site, and can appreciate a host's experiences of what a chat site is like through her eyes. That, for me, causes me to discount a lot of what i read in the viewer's forum.

Anyway, I pretty much do my own thing here, so I don't seek advice about hosts for the most part. YMMV

"Certain hosts get bad press, as a rule, and based on my own experiences with them, they don't deserve it."

I've seen the same thing but, I've of the opinion there is no such thing as bad publicity on this site. I've gone to see hosts that were trashed in the forum out of curiosity and I'm others have as well.

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feet then viewers is like having a gf or being married? ::--)

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your right, i have noticed the same thing, would really be nice to have more positive posts, the negative ones just brings things down, and ruins the atmosphere.

This site has so much to offer and there are many beautiful women on here. and there are also some very nice members.

:)

Love the Rooneyisms!

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Totally agree!
Hugs :))

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Like i said, i'm here for the girls i know who i met on other sites.... which is my point. They prefer we pvt here because they get a higher percentage, and it doesn't affect me at all so i oblige. i'm just talking about how the site is different in that way, and while i see it as a good thing for hosts, i can see how it can be really off-putting for new members meeting new hosts.
Just something to talk about, I wasn't crying about anything, or even saying it should change.

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Aren't you the rude one!

Excellent post my friend. But as you can see one of the many hosts with a bad attitude has taken a first shot at you.

I know, and i tried to word it as delicately as i could. Should i even reply?... i'm gonna reply...

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I don't take you too seriously Gem. I just think you're fucking crazy :P

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"I just think you're fucking crazy"

Amen brother.

I want to meet with any host and ask her to meet in real for on date! :)

guys stop bugging chathosts with meeting in real, this is a business site, we all have a life and this is only a JOB

Sounds like a business opportunity to me.

ok I will lie all and say yes for meeting in real with members just because they insist but never show up at date :) some think we chathost have to return theyir dollars somehow , guys grow up LOOL

Waaaay up over your head if you look really really hard you will see a point flying by.
It's not a shooting star.

"ok I will lie"

No kidding? Really?

I'm not stop doing that! Host ask me to meet her in real? I say to her " Sure, Why not", She say that's wonderful then let meet in real soon! :)

after that pls dont complain on forums and qualify all chathosts being like the ones you meet , good luck

lol point taken :P I'm usually to serious
Hope ur days well

That is too bad for you because you could be having more fun. To take the risk of meeting her you could go into chat first and then check her out in video for 1 min and see if she might be someone worth meeting.
Doesn't sound like too much a gamble actually.
I don't do FLV on any site so sorry you'd never meet me anyway. :)

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I would rather talk in text before video, then member does not waste his money, that is too bad that you do not want to take the time to speak with a host before video. and that you have to be seeing her too...oh well, each to their own.

Sorry it such a turn off for you....but then it sounds like you have what you like as it is....:)

have a wonderful life....:)

a blind date....you mean we grope,fondle & feel never getting what we want but leaving satsfied with no eyewitnesses? :--)

I have seen those other sites and they are a horror show. The hosts are constantly bombarded with message after message....most of them are rude, idotic or asking the host to get naked or worse...in free video. I cannot see how anyone could carry on a conversation with the host at all.... I do agree however that you have an opportunity to see the host as she looks then and there. That is an advantage. I still think hosts should be able to post a 60 second promotional video as part of their profile.

I think hosts can get more business on sites like that too. It's a trade off i suppose. More privacy and less freeloaders for less exposure and traffic running through. I would never suggest a model start hosting here first, without anything else. Find regulars elsewhere, and then bring them here. That's how i came here actually, a host invited me.

if i waited for an ivitation,i wont even be at my funeral :--)

i would have many ideas but i believe that they are worth nothing when i just throw them at you. you should take your time and think about the two of you and then find something which is really meaningful and very special to only you two.
i will not spoil this feeling with shallow unpersonal quotes.
think into the two of you. feel it. feel the love. and then choose.
and believe me that you will make the right decision and your partner will feel that.
i hope this can help you.
jarle

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spread

If found return to....

D.P.

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i give you this ring because i want you around :--)

Well I guess it goes both ways then. I never offer and yet I am asked repeatedly so I made my point. Yet the host that posted said that guys always ask her to be their friends, etc. and she trusted them and found out their intentions were different than they stated initially.
So I guess there certainly is another group of hosts that intitiate the sharing of personal information for many of her members to leed them down the road of deception as well.
I will tell you what I told her and anyone reading.....don't buy into it. When you do it usually ends up in a rude awakening it sounds. There are ruthless people but there are also some that come for honesty and sincerity and this is certainly not the place to assume that.
Sounds like you also are experiencing alot of hurt too...sorry to hear that. Hugs:)

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Any emails i have the host offered to me unsolicited. In fact I think it's pretty standard for hosts to have a 'work' email or messenger for such members

AND a phone number just for cc :) Which they dont use for real life ;)

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Some wariness is healthy, but you sound so miserably distrustful...
Sometimes it doesn't hurt to also try to see the good side in people. Doing so would help us all in this cruel world.
We members are also humans with moods and feelings! Some with errors but mostly trying to be nice and fair... We are not all the same! Your posts are usually reasonable, but why do you lump us all together just to make it easier to stereotype people?
That's just not fair, some people deserve a little trust and respect...

"But it's just a GAME to most hosts. The reason they give out their contact info is simply because they WANT to string gullible guys along, to get repeat business from them. And of course, the moment that a guy expects a host to act like a REAL friend or lover would act in REAL life, that is when a host will always pull out the bullsh*t line: "I never meant any of it. I was just doing my job and giving you a fantasy."

I agree 100%. Thanks for the honest post.

That there is a group of hosts that offer their personal information for the sole purpose of misleading members and romance them to keep them coming back with lies.

Please don't put all hosts in that classification. It simply isn't true. Sad that these hosts that are actually preditors hurt so many people and discard the fact that they have done anything wrong. To expose them seems like the best way so that others will be forwarnded. No one should protect the ones that intentially decieve. No host here needs to stoop that low either.

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Wow, some of you guys are so jaded. I think it's time you got off this site for a while and took in a little real life. In all walks of life there are scammers and con artists, but here, as in real life, the majority of people aren't out to get you. Don't tar all hosts with the same brush, there's always two sides to every story and most are just trying to earn a wage in as honest way as they can.

"Guys aren't stupid" - Don't be so sure. I used to believe that my gender wasn't stupid, but my gf is a host here and some of the things I've seen members ask her makes me think otherwise.

There are guys here who ask to meet in real life within five minutes of their first ever video, others ask her to move to their country and live with them after talking for only a few minutes, many think that they can purchase anything from her with their mighty dollar. I've seen a lot of very stupid and incredibly rude behaviour from guys here, but I don't assume that all members are like that, so I suggest you don't assume all hosts are the same just because you've been hurt.

The latest gem she received was from a guy she's never even had in video. It just said 'I come to your country and pay you $1000 to have sex. If no, don't worry there are plenty of other girls here who will.' (paraphrased to make the English a little better!) You sure guys aren't stupid?

Good post.

I am very close to a host who works on another site. You can readily understand why hosts might become jaded and mistrustful when you hear about the stupidity and sheer weirdness guys are capable of.

The way I think of it is that a host has to wear a mask while she is working... she is the hot girl; the desirable, sexy one; the easy, but smart one; or whatever role she plays that appeals to members.

You're not going to get the person behind that mask until you've established a lot of trust AND she decides to let you see her as she is.

This is really no different from anyone you might interact with, except the interaction is a lot more intimate and can involve a high degree of vulnerability on both sides. So that "mask" isn't going to drop easily. Perhaps the mistake a lot of guys make is that they think the mask has dropped, when it hasn't.

My two cents anyway. YMMV

I am a phone with video guy. Love it. And many hosts have given me their personal cell phone numbers. Frankly I think they are nuts to do it but I never keep the number and ask them in any subsequent video to give me the phone number again as I didn't save it. I have also had tons of hosts say no to the request. Which I understand and respect. I think a host giving you her number says a couple of things...some of them are a bit naive and some will do anything for a buck.

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I personally complain that some members dont understand glamour area, I tell them no nude just soft tease and they beg and insist for mooore so really the rules and what I wish dont matter for them

Because it's a man (even human, I'd say) thing, to get what they can have, to make them feel better, they won something.

I personally don't have many members that come looking for hardcore unless there are some hardcore hosts performing in softcore. Then they tend to think that all girls in glam category do the same. I personally think those hosts should get penalties for performing in the wrong category because it is rude to others that belong in glam. My opinion!
Mostly are guys seeking a spicy, attractive girl that doesn't have to be naked to excite them. They like to
seduce rather than sit and watch a strip show with toys etc. Those are the members that I enjoy and that is why I am in Glamour. The guys that don't understand it assume that all guys think the same and they are wrong. There are obviously plenty of softcore members to support that category and appreciate what it has to offer. Rather than blaming the girls in shy and glamour they should just avoid those categories :))

CC cant monitoring private sessions in adult categories, how cant you understand it?! If only a member will complain to CC that girl do hardcore instead softcore, but I am pretty sure it's rare a case, as that members encourage girls to do more hot shows then it should be and hosts do it because of money.

I don't care what a host does in 121 either as long as she doesn't advertise hardcore in softcore or do it in open. It makes it very confusing for members when hosts aren't in the right category. It is greedy for a host not to stay in the category that best fits what she is doing....you said it yourself...it's all about money and no conscience of how it screws things up. There is a reason for the different categories. Works best if all work within those guidelines. What don't you understand??

you are a host yourself, that i understand for sure :)

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This job is so easy and fun once you know the trick. I tried to please all members with all their ideas when I started. Some stayed in my vid for 10 mins others just 3 mins. Then I got nice members who only wanted to chat in video and all changed. Now I choose what to do or not do and I am not so worried they will not come back because I have my regulars that like me for who i am not for a sex show.

Exactly. the hosts who try so hard to please everyone, wearing themselves out for guys wanting this or that, they just exhaust themselves for no reason. Do what you want, be yourself (for the most part) and you'll find guys who enjoy it and come back again and again. That equals $$ too.

What I see is there are different categories for different activities. As long as the hosts are in the right category for what they do there should be minimal misunderstandings because the categories were intended so that members can find you easily for what their preference is. Some get lost and expect IA in softcore etc. but for the most part it all works if hosts stay in the right category.
Lately the complaint from members has been that the hosts in hardcore are acting like they are softcore hosts which is totally against the rules. Funny but instead of just following the rules then they move to softcore and preform hardcore there.....too funny how they think. That's when it all get's confusing...

it is funny I look in little shy category as whose online and I see besides hosts' names,....i am wet and ready to f..k, or they showing thier naked ass in the air, or saying I will do what ever you want.

Well sorry ladies but your in wrong category, sort of thing is not being shy nor is it appealing to a member who is looking for a shy female.

When a member wants a shy host and sees that not only is it unappealing, but it takes away from any mystery and any enjoyment of being with a shy host.

Why do you hosts do such things, if you gonna say I ready to f..k or I am wet and ready to fill every hole and do all you ask. that is misleading. Unless you are trying to take over the whole site.

So please ladies, do not be in little shy category and advertise that you will fill every hole you have or that you are horny and ready f..k ....just go to either instant action or not so shy category. let members have the enjoyment of finding out what a shy host will do.

No wonder there is soooo much frustration and negative posts on here, and no wonder members go to shy and glamour demanding to see pussy, fingering and all sorts of things, because of you hosts who claim to be shy yet you advertise things that do not make you shy at all.

To the ladies who do belong in shy category, I appreciate you, to the ladies who do not belong in shy category, move to the right category (instant action or not so shy).

keep up that good work ladies that belong in shy and glamor categories..

I forgot to mention, I am a member since 2000.

Why does how long you've been a member matter?

Because some people are curious about such things

Just because the market will allow something doesn't make it fair. According to your logic you're only greedy if you don't succeed, which is wrong.

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Natural doesn't equal fair. People act 'naturally' and still lie, steal, murder, etc. You're saying do whatever you feel like doing. That's no way to have a fair and balanced system. I'm not really talking about camming in particular, but what you say about free trade etc. isn't entirely sound, and has already been shown by nobel winners and others that it isn't a good system for the world to work under.

And yet other Nobel economists have argued that a free market is the most fair.

You do understand that there isn't just one, sweeping, centrally organized global economy, don't you? Nations compete as much as they trade with one another. Some nations intentionally keep their systems less "fair" in exchange for more economic power, whereas other nations pine for a sense of fairness and so enact regulations that only diminish their economies.

Competition is good. it begets innovation, efficiency, wealth. Misguidedly constrained for some nebulous, undefinable sense of "fairness" and all you're left with is stagnation and a fairly shared misery.

It creates inequality. it begets wealth for one person while creating poverty for another. Every dollar you have is a dollar someone else doesn't have. If we turn everything into a competition, that inherently means there are losers. This must be great for those who win, but it's not the best way. I'm sure all the child labor factories, crooked politicians, crooked/ exorbitantly wealthy ceo's and anyone else taking advantage of the system love it. Does it not bother for one second that you can live the life the way you can because they pay the people at the bottom next to nothing to make it? We just take advantage of the smallest person, that's how it's always been done in the name of 'fair market'. We buy our clothes and eat our food so easily with the money we 'earned' because someone else got paid next to nothing to grow/pick/make etc. it.
Who cares, i don't wanna pay more for my shoes just so some kid on the other side of the world has a better life, forget that, right?

That would be the greedy manufacturers that are responsible for that so that they can make a larger profit. People buying Nike for example pay huge bucks for the brand and they labor it out to poverty countries. As a consumer do you think we should boycot all products from major brands? I hate calling customer service for any of them...they are all in India. The fact is that we as consumers still pay the high prices and it is the manufactures that are greedy.
I don't understand how it could be compared to the hosts here. There are hosts from around the world that can make enough money at .50 and she considers that good. The cost of living is also very low where she is from. The price you pay often with those hosts is that their english is minimal or they work with a studio that makes her deceive members.

I wasn't specifically targeting the hosts with that last post, just more to the other responds i had pertaining to free market theory. And i don't buy anything Nike, (you'd think with all the child labor they wouldn't be so expensive lol) We're gonna run out of third world countries to exploit someday...

I know models will charge what they can get, but i wish people wouldn't pretend they're aren't getting a good deal out of this job. If it wasn't more pay for easier work, well they wouldn't be here, they'd be doing something else. Where as when i and others look at the end of month or year how much we end up spending here, it's surprising sometimes how it adds up.

There are certain hosts who i'm really referring too, not models as a whole. Those who act like we should be grateful and eternally in their debt for letting us pay them to spend time on cam with us. That's what irks me.

Life creates inequality. Nature creates inequality. Basic human emotions such as greed, fear, jealousy, pride - those create inequality. Inequality is fundamental to the world we live in. And Wealth is not a zero-sum game. Because one person is able to make money from his labor does not mean that another person is somehow conversely and necessarily limited in his own ability to produce wealth. My dollars or those of anyone else are not some commodity of fixed amount and permanent value. Money supplies are expanded and contracted, the value of currencies are manipulated toward larger macroeconomic ends, and if the taken-advantage-of really knew how much those politicians who contend that markets should only be "fair" are really screwing over them and their longer term economic interests, I can't imagine they'd have much hope for their future. I'm sorry, but political/economic systems that purport to make things fair for everyone only eventually make everyone despondent and content with doing as little as possible because doing anything more becomes fruitless.

I completely understand your want for everyone to be happy and equal and free to live a life of riding merry-go-rounds and petting puppies and never ever wanting for anything more than they already have - to live in that kind of world would be totally awesome. But that's not life, my friend. I applaud you though for always buying fair-trade and eating organic and being a strict vegan and thinking only positive thoughts. I imagine that that's a pretty difficult way to live. But who knows, maybe someday you really can can spur some kind of peaceful revolution by living your life as such a shining example of how we all should be living - wouldn't that be great?

Just because someone does make money DOES take money from someone else though. Say i have a store, i make my money from it, and tn another store opens up down the street. Now i'm splitting the business that goes through that street between us, any money he makes is money that would've gone to my store. Now he's free to do that, i'm just saying that money isn't limitless, and any money spent at one place is money spent there instead of another. Ofcourse i have a family to feed and i can't afford their clothes and food with half the business i'm used to doing. If we trust any fair 'natural' system, it's acceptable for my family to just die out, it's natural right? We're trying to live humanely, and to do so means we cannot act animalistic and selfish which is what a fair trade free system is designed on. It's just an economic 'survival of the fittest' which doesn't work in a society. Just letting the less successful die off isn't acceptable.

Also, not meaning to come off angry or anything, it's just really interesting to talk about such things, i've actually rather enjoyed arguing lol.

Walmart coming in and driving local businesses out of business is a perfect example of what i'm talking about in that last post.

Who said life is fair? You are going a whole different direction with the original post. It was about prices and girls setting them at what they feel they can get....period!

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The market is a mechanism to evaluate the fairness of a price. What else is there? Your "sense" of what you ought to pay? That is bound to be different from what a host thinks you ought to pay. Then you negotiate.

That is called the market.

There is no camcontacts corporation dictating what price you pay here. Besides, the services being provided here are luxury services... not necessities! Hello?

There is no God-given right to wank.

Only God-given abilities... :))))))))

I didn't hear that conotation anywhere in his post!!

He says you charge what the market will bear, meaning you charge what you can get away with charging, so if you are too greedy and charge too much you won't get away with it because you've priced yourself too high.

That's what I meant by in his logic you're only greedy if you fail because you priced yourself too much and no one's buying. But you can be greedy and still find people to pay. Girls here charge per hour what others like psychiatrists for example might charge.

I'm not saying you shouldn't be allowed to work here and make money, and some may not have as much luck as others, but you have to admit the potential for money here is way more than 'fair' compared to many other jobs. If it wasn't i expect you wouldn't be working here and would be doing another job that didn't pay as well. But you are working here, and it's because of that potential to make more money than other jobs.

I'm fine with it, just don't pretend you aren't overpaid for it.

I think that you are thinking if a hosts is busy the entire hour. Geez yes then that would be in comparison to a professionls income. It simply isn't the case though. A better comparison might be like a sales person that works on commission. Some days are great and other days are nothing. There are slow times and busy. Which averages a lot lower income than you imagining. If a girl makes $3000 a month here that is still only $36k a year. Most girls that make that much put in full time hours for that and some put in full time hours and don't make half of that. I also don't believe it is luck...it is about what you put into it. Even the ones that are making 36k a year have an investment of time and expenses. Meaning the gym, clothes, shoes, lingerie, make-up, hair etc.
I think it is funny that members make it sound like it is so much money that hosts get. So many of the hosts here are also very educated and even the ones that are not could make better in a 9-5 job. That is reality!
This is a luxury for members and yet it is a job for hosts.
Hardly greedy!

The average yearly income in the world issomething around 5 thousand. 36K sounds pretty good, it's more than i make anyways.... And once again, even if they are not as successful as other models, that doesn't make the work they're doing any harder.

You can not possible know that unless you do it!!!

not true

i just don't get what the subject of yearly income levels across the entire world has to do with anything. it's not like you can compare the cost of living in a place like moscow with some hell hole like mogadishu.
it only makes sense that a woman should get whatever she can earn here. to say that she's overpaid or greedy rings to me only as pettiness and jealousy.

Because the host said she makes ONLY 36,000 which is perfectly fine money, worlds better than many many people. And no it's not petty to say someone is overpaid. Is it petty to say lawyers are overpaid? No. The point isn't that they are overpaid, it's that most hosts pretend they get paid next to nothing. 36,000 is damn good money, especially for this job. As hard as putting u with jerks (which is their own fault for not telling them to go away and finding the nice guys) I'd be perfectly willing to work in my home and deal with them for that kind of money.

Like another said, they make more than a day's minimum wage shift in a day at most places in 30 minutes, and that's conservative. Are you telling me you can spend several hours here and only get less than 30 minutes of pvt? There's no way that's the norm.

The issue was is it greedy, but it turned into them saying it's hard and not well paying, which is not true.

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The only places I see greed here is when hosts take on more than they can do well. They can charge whatever price others are willing to pay for their services (which vary with hosts) but to have so many rooms open so that they can earn big $$ and not focus on being the best they can to each member that comes in is just pure GREED!

What they don't realize is that greed can be easily detected by others in any industry and if the price and the services are not acceptable then others have the choice of going else where and it can totally back fire on them. Especially in a service industry :))

Not sure why you brought up this subject but in general I agree with you.

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If you are able to handle it from the members perspective then there isn't a problem. Too often there are complaints about hosts ignoring or be distracted by others in video. If you're not one of them then of course that would not refer to you.
Not all can do it well and who knows maybe the members have a different perspective than yours if you handle it well.

loool yes... managing several rooms at once can be done well, and I would have no objection to how you handle your time. It's your business, after all!

I think what happens, in the example I mentioned in the other forum, the host works too many hours and juggles too many members from too many sites, all at once. All in an effort to maximize income, but at the price of alienating many of her members here (as is obvious, from the comments).

I don't know who you are, but you probably rock... loool.

You like the phrase FREE market and you really wanted to somehow use it in a post.
Well done. Mission Accomplished.

HAHA

Considering i know a lot of hosts who take 2,3, or 4 trips to other countries a year, for a couple weeks at a time, i'd say they're paid VERY well for their time. Greedy? That's an opinion, you can't blame them for getting the most they can. But I agree to think this job doesn't pay well is kind of silly. I mean, just having a member spend 10 minutes in pvt is already better paid than minimum wage.

Hosts are here to make money. They will do anything to get you into a video, stay in a video and keep you coming back for more. This is a tough place to work. Lots of competition and the economy doesn't help. If greed is working hard then yes we have greedy hosts. If greed is scamming then yes we have some greedy hosts. If greedy is trying to make money and get ahead in life then I would suggest most members are greedy too...how else could they afford to come here?

It's true, greed is normal today, but all the people pretending it's not greed should wake up. Living in a fair world like the op says doesn't mean it's not greedy too.

what constitutes fair? what constitutes greed? are the fine people who run camcontacts greedy for taking their share of a high per minute fee? if you think so why are you a customer here? why are you contributing to the perpetuation of a system that's so unfair and inspires so much greed? or are you here just to evangelize some dopey kind of collectivist idiocy?
sorry, but there seem a very unrealistic if not utterly stupid line of thinking going on in this thread.

The guy that seems to be doing all the talking does seem like an ass LOL, but he's atleast half right. I know i'm gonna get every dollar i can for what i do, not just what I think is fair amount. I'll take all i can get lol. Hosts aren't money grabbing rich girls either though, it's not as easy as he thinks, but if i were an attractive woman i'd give it a shot (or a half decent guy lol). Would've probably beat the hell out of some of my first jobs.

"I personally want to thank to all my members( pervs and the sweet guys alltogether) "

Wow, you get pervs in your pvt? And do you tell the pervs to go to hell or IA or both?

All guys that come here are pervs they just have different attitudes. I like the less agressive ones in Glam :) I am also a different host than started the thread!

"I like the less agressive ones in Glam :) I"

Translation; the members that only want to chat in 1 2 1

Very sarcastic and absolutely not true. I was referring to the "pervs" that come in and say get naked, show ass, etc.
Dang I didn't think that would be so hard to figure out that I would have to explain but then I wasn't expecting someone to come here with a sarcastic remark that had nothing to do with the original comment.

Its not sarcastic and it is true. Just admit the truth. Even the Bible says "The truth will set you free"

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I agree with that I think CC is a great site and for the most part it is a great place for hosts and members alike. I think that they are very fair in their % that they take from hosts income for the opportunity to be here and in turn for the most part again it keeps prices down for the members. I love the great selection of categories that it provides to the hosts and and if all use it properly then it makes it easy for the member to find what he is looking for.
It seems like most of the complaints come from people not staying in the right category and following the guidelines for the expectations that are defined. CC doesn't police the site so that can be good and bad but overall their expectations are that if you are over 18 and mature then you can read and follow the rules and guidelines. The ones that don't respect that are the ones that cause the majority of the problems....
I enjoy the members that I meet here and I respect the design and the plan that CC offers :))

"I love the great selection of categories that it provides to the hosts and and if all use it properly then it makes it easy for the member to find what he is looking for. "

Therein lies the problem. There is much confusion in the categories. And it starts with the hosts being in the wrong categories.

I so agree and it chaps my hide because they don't care that it causes comfusion if they benefit some way!!

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Funny you sound like a hardcore host....lol that doesn't want to hear it! lol

but why is it funny?

Very well put, you sound like the type of model i'd love to know. It's nice to hear some 'customer appreciation' lol We appreciate you for what you do too. :)

"I'm in one of those "I don't know if I want to undress, but I'd gladly chat with you" categories"

Lately, that can be any category on site, as many hosts make up their own rules and ignore the rules set forth by cc.

There's a cure to that: write to CC.
I'm really not the best placed to judge what the other girls do, but if I don't get what I want (in other places than CC), I complain, if I wasted my money and time, on top of that.
Customer service seems to be rather good here :)

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First I do not understand how 1 member can see what a another member is typing to you or was it voice that they could hear?
The part that surprises me is how many girls call themselves sluts here in their profiles! Usually in hardcore but some drift into softcore too. That sends a message in itself. So are those the hosts that complain here about the rudeness of members? I wonder sometimes because I see it often in hardcore.
It has been rare that I have heard that in my room but I also don't ellude to anything close to that in my profile. If it does happen why not communicate with them that I am a lady and I don't appreciate being called that. Yes there are ladies here too that enjoy teasing and playing and nudity. I think some girls over react and take it very personal where others enjoy it. Wish the girls complaining would identify their category and name so all could figure it out. If one girls is getting it often then I wonder what is in her profile that might attract that or if she is in hardcore and other girls are referencing to it a lot.

Just like the hosts the member has the option to chat in open (so all can see it) or chat privately to the host.

Aaahhhh I see. I wish more of my members would do that so they could see how many I am trying to keep up with at once.

If I were a host here I wouldn't take crap from any member. Just because its a sexy site doesn't mean good manners should not be required. If you are not a gentleman here, you won't be a gentleman anywhere else either.

As you see from some answers, some members consider they are paying and they can order their fast sex as they order their Big Mac, and the dish they order should be conform to the menu (of categories), that's it!
Some others do think there is always a person who has own personality and who deserves some respect, and usually the quality of services they get is more enjoyable.
There are all kinds of tastes (fast food or gastronomy), all kinds of educations and cultural backgrounds, I admire you hosts for being able to deal with such a variety of guys and keep smiling whatever you might feel inside. Hopefully a majority of your guests comply with your profile

" Hopefully a majority of your guests comply with your profile"

I agree and hopefully hosts will comply with their written profile and the category requirements they agreed to.

Even getting a Big Mac can take more than 3 minutes :D depends on who's in charge ;)

Some of us put up with what we get, some don't. I was always taught that respect has to be mutual; I don't get any respect, the other person won't get it either from me. I may overreact it at times, but at least I admit it and I'm the first to say that I have a lousy character. But as long as I am not given a reason to be pissed off, I will stay nice and play nice :)

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"usually these guys after talking about dirty sluts, c*nts etc. say "thank u good bye""

That's me :D

Then I didn't have the honour to meet you yet :P

Ah you must be one of those hosts that has "Rude members" as a dislike :P

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I tried to do the same as well, at the begining. I found out I'm less willing to do things if they treat me as a "sexual server" as a member called us.
I try to use humour with guys like that and if they continue to be nasty, I won't even care about my rating, I'll just be happy to get rid of specimens like that.
I guess we grow and change a lot while being here.

members complain about how hosts are rude and have no manners, yet they do the same to a host and expect the host to be all smiles and aroused and such.

well if members dont like when hosts are rude and have no manners towards them, how in the world can they expect hosts to like it.

Just because the member is paying does not mean he has the right to be this way.

We all know that if it where to go to a members place of employment and talk to them the way they talk to us they would not like it, and if we were to say well we paying so we can say what we want when we want, they still would not like it, and they would not want to deal with us.

Please guys just because it a sex site and you are paying does not mean that we do not deserve to be treated with a little respect.

Just my two cents worth...Be well everyone and have fun....

I guess it all depends on your upbringing and experience. Courtesy costs nothing so it is not like there is any reason not to show it, but a guy who has never been told what he says is rude, uncouth or unwanted will go right ahead and behave that way to every girl he meets.

I suspect that that sort of behaviour begins with young inexperienced hosts to whom English is not their first language. It is amazing how many insults you can suffer when you don't really know what they are nor can respond to them correctly. But as their grasp of English improves they begin to appreciate a politer more creative and over all more pleasant manner. Women do loved to be wooed despite their protestations to the contrary ;)


Manners maketh the man they say. I wonder how many real men there are on CC as opposed to just rude boys?


TNTAGWAGM

You are always so lovely, so nice, so sweet. Luv Ya!

do you have ocd?

On another site with free chat, where all the members can see the dialog as it happens, often a rude guy will be chastised by other members or even ridiculed out of the room. Perhaps that's even one advantage of a free chat situation. It gives us white knight types a place to vent :))))

I guess the whole "hi slut" thing can be funny, but too often it's someone's private joke. It's a huge turn off for me, and if it is not handled well, I leave the room, 'cause I don't need to lose my mood over some asshole.

Anyway, for a new host: a hello... some civil chatting, inquiries about privates, all the while mindful to not waste too much of a host's time but be satisfied about my own expectations. I think at minimum this is what you should expect (and I hope usually what you get).

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I agree...hosts deserve respect. But...the rude members line in profiles is also to tell members not to expect them to strip at the command of the member when in video....I know. Several hosts after a few minutes in video will respond...you are being rude....if you ask the host to strip....they would, naturally, prefer you to stay in the video for a long time before the strip...they know fully well it is a matter of minutes between them stripping and you popping your cork. So rudeness is not cool...but if the host defines it to keep you in video...that's not so cool either.

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for a small percentage of men, it's a fetish and they are wild about it. for the rest it's a huge turnoff...

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i wouldn't say its a fetish. A pregnant woman is just natuarlly beautiful. The shape of a pregnant womans body is just purely beautiful and you looked amazing pregnant

I know and expect girls to be here to make $. Why else be here? It is a job. You can enjoy your job, but you get paid, so it is a job. My problem is with hosts that say they do this for fun.

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I doubt the people at the pizza cafe love their job. They're probably thinking 'i hate this, why am i here. Here's another stupid customer.'

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Sorry that you have a problem with that.....if it wasn't fun then I wouldn't do it!!! Presuming that you don't know every host on here and what she personally gets from it, perhaps keeping your mind open would be my advice. It is not such a horrible thing for all girls to work here. I personally enjoy the interaction and attention as many girls do. It definitely can be a self esteem builder when you consider all the compliments that we receive. I can be bored to death with my day and hop on here and laugh and have a great time. It is fun to flirt and tease and try new sexy moves. Before this I never practiced on a very sensual sexy strip :)
When I am done playing on here and see what I made it is awesome but I don't think about money while I am having the fun and its not usually why I decide to come on. I am sure for some girls it is all about the money but not all my friend!

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Totally agree girl! When you keep the two separate it is best. Meaning CC and your personal life because it allows us to be good at what we do, which is excite men from all over the world and strangers and keep our personal lives safe and anonymous like they are entitled to as well. I think sometimes guys don't realize how many people we come in contact with and how out of control it could get. Especially since it is a common request. They certainly wouldn't consider giving out their personal emails and phone #'s to all their customers they work with....so why should we even if it is not all about the money. Keep it fun and on CC! :))

i totally agree and as a long term member i have to repeat myself.
no real feelings. you sell yourself and your body and you should use the security and clean safe rules which camcontacts provides to protect your privacy. i also buy escorts sometimes and they stay anonymous if they are real professional whores. i buy and use her body and not the person. we all know it. they work to sexually please and satisfy more or less strangers and that can be dangerous.
the job is just the same as here. sexual satisfaction vs money.

obviously being used by men is ok for you but be careful that this is not the same as being abused! try to keep your dignity at least a little bit. you are more than just a piece of meat or a weak female whore! you are a professional and also deserve respect for your services. ask for this! i also respect my escorts. i thank them and everyone gets what they want. so give only what you are willing to give and serve your customers to please them as they want it.

and so use this perfect platform called camcontacts for your anonymity. use the regional blocking and serve your customers. i am happy that openhearted girls like you in here exist for people in a situation like me. be proud! not everyone can take this step and do what you are doing! you are doing a great job. my credit card can tell!
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Thank you that was a nice post!
I will assure you that I do not do anything more than I can feel comfortable with here. I do not berate myself because I keep it clean and fun and put my safety #1.
I appreciate your comment to the girls that can't find peace in what they do here!
Hugs :))

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My problem is that many hosts don't appreciate the members paying them. You have maybe the easiest job in the world, are VERY well paid for sitting, talking, or masturbating, something you do anyway. While we have real jobs. This isn't a real job, so save the replies. The hosts i visit aren't like this, and when i meet one that is, well that's it, i move on. I enjoying our time and don't mind helping them out with a little money. But don't act like you're doing us a favor or anything by letting us pay you too much. It's insulting.

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I know spanish, not fluent, enough to get by, and i'm learning french and german in my free time. I'm in okay shape, not ugly or anything. Like i said, the hosts i visit are fine, but many are so arrogant, like they're doing us a favor by allowing us to pay them what works out to something like 150-200 dollars an hour. In what world is that not well paid. Like i said, that doesn't apply to everyone, so quit acting like it does, not everyone is the same. I never once said all hosts are like this. I specifically said the hosts who act like this are the ones i'm talking about.

And this job is ridiculously easy, anyone who says different is completely insane.

I honestly dare you to come here and show me how easy it is for you to make money!! There are male hosts here as well and some do very well I understand. Would love to hear how your days went not only finacially but what kind of experiences you had with members that joined your room. I am sure you would get a few like you...haha.

In your first post it did sound very general about hosts and not specifically to one group of arrogant hosts that make $150-200 and hour. In fact I think your facts are not from this site at all. I don't believe there is one girl here that makes that kind of money or even close with the exception of during contests and certain hosts come here for those only.

It is very easy for anyone to sit back and belittle someone elses job until you actually do it yourself! I dare you!!

Many make that kind of money, many members here can verify that there are girls who they almost never see sitting in text chat open without a pvt.

So what if they are hardly in private...that isn't me. So what if there are ones in private often...they don't make that much! That is quite an assumption and also getting away from the point of the first message.

Not making money doesn't mean it is hard. Would u say u work hard but aren't making money? No, you're just not getting the pvts u need. It'd be different if u were getting pvts all the time and still not making money. This job is still easy, you're just not successful at it.

Obviously not everyone can make money here, bad personalities or ugly people could have trouble.

You just get ruder by the minute!
How dare you turn it around and tell me that I am not a successful host and don't get enough privates. I do very well here and you are disillusioned by the fact that girls make that kind of money here. It simply isn't true. I think it's interesting how you always post another before yours. How would you know how much hosts make here? There is not a host that makes that kind of money consistantly here while she is online...that is bull!

I know many hosts that do that kind of money, i visit a couple personally, on here i mean. You said you doubt there is ANY girl that makes the kind of money i talked about.. I didn't say every girl does, simply that many do and it is very possible.
And i know they do because we've talked about it, and i see how much business they get when they're online. I've seen it for myself, so if you don't make that much money, it would make you less successful, it's not an insult, it's true though.

Let me ask you, do you make more than 8 dollars an hour? If so, you're better off than many working in a kitchen at some fast food place all day or waiting on customers in stores.

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Well working in a studio is just a stupid idea. it's far worth buying the equipment yourself than split it with a studio. And girls get 80% from members they get to come here from other sites. So there's the money maker, regulars they brought from elsewhere. And 50 dollars an hour is still amazing.

I'm only trolling because everyone is trolling the opposite. Your average young person wanting extra work gets a job in a store or restaurant etc. This job pays more than that, yes or no? They act like they live on the street and come in for a cam show just to buy a daily meal.

Yes I challenge that member to come here and use his body and sales skills to keep people paying him with his presence....he might not think the way he does now :))

Also not sure where he is coming from I don't chat about
sex all the time in my personal life or masturbate continually or take my clothes off in front of strangers! If that is his visual then he is way out there. We must be a unique group of girls that work here if that was the requirements for our personal lives....lol

But you have masturbated before right? And you have talked about sex before right? And probably didn't charge the guy you were with, right?
I don't do what i do at work for free when i'm not at work.
Not everyone can make money here, ofcourse. But the ones that do do it easily. If you're not attractive enough is a different story.
Say i did start working here but didn't do well. That doesn't mean the job wasn't easy, just that i wasn't making much money doing it. The difficulty of a job doesn't always equate to how much money it earns. You can have a hard job, and make no money or lots of money, or have an easy job and make lots of money or no money.

The point being that it is not an "easy" pasttime as you make it out to be. If you were to take my dare then you would quickly find out to do well here takes preparation, a certain talent, time and money. Not anyone can just jump on here and do very well. The ones that get out of bed and turn on the cam without putting effort into it usually don't do very well. It also requires some skill if you're not being a deceptive host. So say what you choose but until you take my challenge you will not know that you are wrong. This most certainly is a job for many and they support themselves through it and take it very seriously. Just like any job the ones that put a lot of effort into being their best will do well others that don't won't.
No I don't masturbate and I don't talk sexy with anyone other than my lover. Certainly not your business but it doesn't matter if I did because I would still expect for others to respect my fee for services when I come here. For you to play down what is required to do this job well is the point and others that think they should do it for free by giving their personal information (as the original post stated) are usually taking for granted that this is a job in exchange for money.
Non the less I found your post intentially degrading to play down the value that hosts should charge and not referring only to the arrogant ones. Girls charge stated fees for their services for entertaining members and that should be respected and it's non negotiable just as your job isn't.

You are wrong If this job wasn't easier and better paid than alternatives, than you wouldn't be doing it. Pure and simple. If it is so difficult, you're doing it wrong. Don't do anything you don't wanna do, you'll still make money. The girls i know who making VERY good money are in complete control of their pvts and don't do anything they don't wanna do.

"I don't chat about sex all the time in my personal life or masturbate continually or take my clothes off in front of strangers!"

Just remember if I come to your video please pretend you do :P

OK just remind me that is your fantasy when you enter video :P I might forget.

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What did he say about freeshows?

Did i say help out by getting free shows? I drop 100 dollars every few weeks or so when i can, am i jerk for not spending that every single time i see them? So i'm either spending a lot or i'm a freeloader, black and white eh? Well you don't sound like a host i'd like, so i guess we have no problem.

The original post was about guys asking for personal messenger, etc. outside of CC to get free shows.
You answered with something about you don't mind giving them a little money....
So does that mean that you are one that comes to girls rooms and asks for her yahoo messenger cause you gave her a little money and that was enough?
The attitude of your post since this is not a job then a little money is all they derserve. Heck we masturbate, chat and take off our clothes all the time anyway in our spare time.....it's not a job!

The OP was about members saying hosts are all into money. Which i don't agree with, but is what my posts refer to. The hosts i know outside of here actually tell me i don't have to go pvt, though i still do. I have a friend i'm meeting in england in the spring i met here.
She knows she makes great money here, and doesn't mind telling the jerks that you're all complaining about from your pvts to go away and quit bothering her. And the guys that do go pvt and keep going pvt respect that she doesn't have to pretend to like them, so they value their time more.
i wouldn't want to spend time in a pvt chat with a girl who was being patient and secretly waiting for it to end. I spend it with someone i like talking to and enjoy talking about our different days and what we have in common etc.

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You are completely right in what you say.
It seems it will always be the same.
Some guys trying to get chathosts to do for free,
saying they love them etc.
Some chathosts saying they love viewers so that
the viewers will spend more and send money to them.
What's important is that we are all aware of this and
do not let other people take advantage of us.

it's fine. you are a professional and provide a service. but don't complain that we don't care about your problems or your sick mom, etc. or we are cheap because we don't want to spend 20 minutes chatting before you strip. i don't want to be your friend same as you don't wanna be mine. i got plenty of friends. we have a friendly business transaction and that's it. i pay my money so i can shoot my load and go on with my day. no drama, please...

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I am sorry but "we" is not really appropriate in those statements. I appreciate that is how you feel but just like hosts are all different so are guys. Perhaps a group of guys might agree with your comments but another group feels differently and has different likes.
Appreciate your two cents though :)

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Oh no here we go again! Is this what they consider subliminal programming...lol. If so it's been proven that it is not effective.

That really isn't your question at all. You simply wrote to make an issue again that you want to see changes on CC, correct? You are one of the viewers on here that is very disturbed because CC is not implementing certain features that you would like that other sites have and in a timely manner!
So let's stop the bull! It is sarcasm.

" You simply wrote to make an issue again that you want to see changes on CC, correct?"

Not so. I proposed no changes. I stated the fact that hi tech is constantly changing. I also stated that most hosts did not see the need for any changes. None. And you and the other respondent proved my point. Thank you.

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I merely asked the question. I gave no opinion.

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As a long time member you must know that CC has already changed a lot over the years and I am sure will continue to do so. Few hosts I talk with are opposed to changes that take advantage of technical developments. Just because someone objects to specific changes that are proposed does not mean all hosts or members do not want any change at all. However whether changes are made should take into account the CC ethis and what makes CC different from other videochat sites.

Well my post was overly sarcastic, but was done to make a point. And yes there have been changes since 2000, but a lot less than than could have and should have been done in my opinion. But every time anyone suggests any changes, the post is met with an uproar from hosts opposing any change at all.

Oh no here we go again! Is this what they consider subliminal programming...lol. If so it's been proven that it is not effective.

That really isn't your question at all. You simply wrote to make an issue again that you want to see changes on CC, correct? You are one of the viewers on here that is very disturbed because CC is not implementing certain features that you would like that other sites have and in a timely manner!
So let's stop the bull! It is sarcasm.

I guess you feel the need to lie too think we are all stupid! When are you going to realize that most are happy with CC and if they make changes I am sure they
will think it out so it is good for all.
I am relieved to not have to come to a site that is constantly having technical problems because they over implement options that overload the system and the customer service and technical dept.with the ongoing problems. One site was completely down recently for 24 hours and all you could get was an error code when trying to open the site. That isn't progress that is pure greed! The results are a lot of ticked off members and hosts that weren't able to work during that time. So in theory it might be a grand idea to add some of the things you want but along with it comes a lot of expense and crap to follow. Just enjoy CC for what it is and the cheap rates you get here!

I am not sure why you felt the need to ask this question because the answer is perfectly obvious: they just keep doing what they are doing :) According to the facts you presented the majority of members and hosts are happy with the site....it works fine!
I do wonder what your motivation is though.
We get various people that come into our rooms and try and get us to join other sites. Maybe you are one of them and trying to make us think that CC is inferior. Perhaps it is also aimed at the members that come here.
Makes sense and that is why you bring it up constantly in the forum. Best for you to know that our agreement with CC is to turn in anyone that approaches us.

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Do as your heart wish. I also think is weird that he does not contact you anymore. Maybe he is putting more attention on someone else or maybe he is busy getting ready for the trip? I hope you can talk to him before he travels and you can see if he is still interested in you. Just keep your eyes open. Good Luck.

He lied.

Don't bother, and you won't be disappointed.

If you do meet him, we'll read about you later in the viewer's forum as one of the trophies he collected on his trip (no matter what happens in that coffee shop lol).

Yes you are exactly right! Of course he will also add any details he chooses to make the point that coincides with the post that he is relying to and not necessarily the truth.
Don't bother meeting him and forgetaboutit!

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yes i decide to meet only who realy care of me.. and i better will spend evening earning money here than meet someone who are not much interested :)

I care of you. What's your name?

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Me too. I dont meet with women that work on sex sites :-P

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Shhhh! Mom dont even know I am here :-P

lol nice reply

I never meet members, and I advise you to work and collect money one evening than to waste your time with him, what for, to be one more easy bitch in his list?If he cared of you be sure he spent his money for you, as he afford a travel, my oppinion this is onlye a f*** trip for him, from 3-4 maybe catch one

I am surprised to hear that girls actually want to meet strangers from a sex site! I meet many nice guys here but I know nothing about what they do when they are not here and talking nice to me. Seems very risky to me and I hope you keep safe.
Curious what country you are from that you feel that it would be so safe? Also, do you meet members from here because you think it will increase the videos that they have with you? Do they bring gifts? Just wondering why you would feel comfortable with meeting them :)
It certainly doesn't sound like you want to meet him this time and so if I was you I would not consider it. Hugs and safety to you!

well if you know a guy long and trust him then meeting is ok. i meet guy was super

yes. I met a host in coffee shop that she picked. It was fun. Then she showed me around her city for the day. I bought lunch. A fun visit. No sex, just little gift for her, and she gave one to me. We still have fun on CC. If I had been a perv, she was safe. We were in public the whole time. (she knows who she is!!)

Was that "guys" that you have met or one single "guy"

I stand with that I would not meet guys from here or anywhere that I met online without talking to other people that actually know them, or a criminal background etc. You can't trust everything you hear especially when he is meeting you on a sex site...girl!

" I would not meet guys from here or anywhere that I met online "

Then you would not meet guys you met at a "dating site", not here but a mainstream dating site?

I have before in public places but I also have learned that how one perceives themselves in their explanation to someone else is totally different after I got to know them a bit. Without going into all the details I have learned that unless I want to take all the neccessary steps to find out information ahead of time then it is something I would not do again.
An example would be if you are a guy that shot his wife, obviously you are not going to be married to her any longer and everyone that knows you also knows that. So you go on a dating site and meet girls and they have no idea. That is an example that happened to me. Where else would he go to date and meet someone new? The sites don't do background checks on people! He isn't going to offer that information. Yes it happens all too often!
So my answer still stands....

"I am surprised to hear that girls actually want to meet strangers from a sex site! I meet many nice guys here but I know nothing about what they do when they are not here and talking nice to me."

See that is why you should meet me. I am a LOT nicer in real life than I am on here :P

That's funny, i always wonder if i'm talking to a host too much if i do everyday. Don't want to seem clingy or always in her business or anything.
But your guy sounds bad to me. He's lining up 3 or 4 girls to meet? weird Is he trying to be romantic? or really just friends.

I think you should meet me instead :D

ROFLMAO

LOL!!!

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Everything in moderation! I agree with the other host that with any interest should come with a budget and then it takes the self discipline to stick with that budget. Not all girls charge too high in 121 and if you have some favorites that you see all the time maybe ask if she would consider working with you for the same price as open in password or something. If she really appreciates you then I think she would consider it. If not then find a lesser expensive host. There are plenty to choose from here! Just don't modify your finances to support certain hosts here especially if is as scary as losing your investment on your home!! You can't have champagne taste on a beer budget but with the wide selection on this site you can have your cake and eat it too :))

"You can't have champagne taste on a beer budget"

You nailed it

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You are right, she is wrong. E mail cc for help.

YOU! She needs to learn the rules for the category that she picked. Think that I would do whatever possible to wake her up! I am not a host that supports hosts that breaks the rules for their financial gain. Utilize the options available to you that CC provides which are write CC, post in forum to warn others and not return to her room so that she gets the message and quits manipulating others.
My opinion! Good Luck there are many hosts that do follow the rules!

instant action, your required to be ready to strip and perform no stalling. That is cc rules.

Not so shy, your required to strip when asked to no stalling, if a member wants anything else besides stripping then the member is required to ask that host first. that is also in cc rules.

Strip hi lo card game, if host chooses to play this game, Each time the host looses a hand, she is required to remove that item of clothing not stalling. only way that will change is if it is agreed upon between the host and member before hand.

Glamour and not so shy, member and host should talk about what is wanted, and if host agrees then she should not change her mind once in video, but at same time when something is agreed upon then the member should not enter video and change and pressure for more than what was agreed to. they agree on something before video.

fun to all

Yes, so pathetic!
He can't hold it and is soo tiny!
I wonder if anyone can break his record, 4 inches hard and cums in less than 10 sec?

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Oh no, you couldn't be more wrong!

First of all he just spent a few hundred in my room!

And 2nd, he can't really jerk off, twice up and down and he's cumming.

I just wanted to confirm he's the worst case on site!

I have seen a guy with 3 inches, didnt cum as fast but has no dick :-((

would love to visit you mines just over 3 how do i find your rooms?

Do you masterbate with tweezers?

Typical white boy and typical cc viewer.

That's a very good line, I will use it!
Give me some more :)

you should be a host. There may be girls or guys who want to humuliate a pathetic little shrimp dick. Yr name could be: TinyMember

Huh? You are even more funny then he. Such guys get pleasure from humiliation, not hosts, hosts just do it for them. I believe is no woman ready to pay to humiliate any guys.

and you look for free humiliation in forum....

Do girls ask you if it's not "in", yet? LOL!

Hes already done by the time they ask him:P

Thank you for informing all of us here! I feel enlightened now :))

OMGGGG
do you call that a dick??? that is a deformation:)))))

Yes I think you are correct. I have no idea when a member comes in what they will want, how they will act, or how long they will stay. So I have no expectations and treat each one as a mystery until it reveals itself. I would constantly be disappointed if I thought each one would be the same and I would approach it differently. Without any expectations I am almost always pleased by the outcome and get a lot of nice surprises too. I don't set any goals other than to have a great time and be fun so that they enjoy too :)) Hope that you experience the same results or better!!

LOLOLOLOL. Well put. I love that "no expectations" line they use. Sorry but I have some expectations. If I didn't why the hell would I come here. If I go to a topless bar I expect to see girls without their tops on. Call me crazy.

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You have got me wrong. I enjoy chatting very much. I never go to IA or not so shy. I like to chat, but then I like to do something. About 50-50 actually. I am just saying if a girl says not to have expectations about her vidchats she can't "expect" me to come in.....because I won't.

"You" can be used in its plural form too :) So I wasn't talking about you specifically as I don't know you.

LOL Nice try.

Obviously you don't understand what posting in a forum means.

Dude. I got news for you. If you come to this site, you are EXPECTING something. It may not be sex, but you are EXPECTING something. "Have no expectations" is a buzz phrase that one of the girls came up with and others have followed. Its ludicrous.

Agree. They might as well say "Be prepared to be disappointed". lol

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A "plural" you, I think, would be meant to include me since you replied to my secondary post. Maybe you are thinking of an "indefinite" you which doesn't apply to anyone in particular.

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I don't like when you use that phrase "have no expectations" in your profile.

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Dude. You think you can paint everyone with the same broad brush, and then you get picky with details.

T.'s point is that you (the average member) may need to put some effort into making sure you are understood , because not every host speaks flawless English, not every host can read your (the average member's) mind. Or perhaps such generosity is beyond your comprehension (Dennis), in which case I understand your response.

Omg. Why are you repeating to me what T is saying? In case you didn't notice, T can take care of herself. She's a smart cookie. You're getting kind of school yard aren't you?

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lol yes, I was complimenting you. In fact I would like to challenge you to a debate on another topic as I think we have beaten this one to death. Naturally, in keeping with the theme of this site all debaters would be naked. I looked up T in "search chathosts".......nothing. grrr

Then there's your challenge, you need to find me :D
"T" is a letter of my screen-name :D

And thank you.

Why naked? I can think properly with my clothes on too, even if being naked doesn't bother me. As long as someone pays for it.

lol I guess we'll remained clothed strangers.

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lol. Let me know when we are finished, so I can smoke a cigarette.

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Ah, that was rather uncivil. My apologies. I get on a track and have a hard time getting off of it, like many of us I think.

In general, the tone of the discourse on this and the viewer's forum could be taken down a notch and we might actually be able to talk. I hear too much belittling of "sissy boys" and "money slaves."

Sissy boys and money slaves are people too.

:))))))))))))))))))))

You, my friend, have character. Nice to see on here. Thanks.

I don't intend to change your mind but give you some additional thoughts that maybe you didn't consider when you see that expression. She might mean that don't expect her to do identical to another host that you see. That the experience is always different with each member and is not specifically a show but more like let it go where the two of you take it which is kinda what softcore category is all about.
Enjoy and have fun!

" That the experience is always different with each member and is not specifically a show but more like let it go where the two of you take it which is kinda what softcore category is all about. "

Exactly! The Twilight Zone.

This is not an escort site it is a sex and fantasy site. Virtual sex that is! You can have lots of sex with the palm sisters....hehe. Most members wank here why watching sexy girls or women :) If you are looking for immediate nudity etc then not so shy or instant action are your best bet. If you are seeking an in person sexual experience then that is a whole different thing and chances are that it won't happen....

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Be attractive, and money helps. Maybe reverse those :))

They are models and hostesses, NOT Whores..

Treat them with respect and kindness. yes its a web cam sex fantasy site and you can have great fun here..but its not a brothel.. go elsewhere for that.

It can happen. There are girls here that aren't exactly angels, lots of them, and "might" open the doors of possibilities, but... are you willing to get on a plane and travel 100's or 1,000's miles for just 1 day just for a fuck? Sh*t, that will be at least a $2,000 fuck. I know I can have lots of fun here in my town with that kind of $$$

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So does that mean you won't meet me anymore and fuck me? :P haha

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He must've thought it was a really good offer for you. Who knows, maybe he's the next Brad Pitt :))

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Either one is better than bitch!

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u r over 18, so u are a woman. But calling you a girl or baby is just a term of endearment.

Or in some women's minds, a demeaning, sexist term.

some may feel younger than their age if they date or seduce a girl rather than a woman... provided of course you pretend (at least) to be overhelmed by their irresistible charm!

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Well you didn't give us your age so it makes it hard to define closer. I think some guys think that it is a compliment to call you a woman to indicate maturity in body development and maturity in thinking. Actually I don't consider a girl a woman until she is in her 30's. Just my thoughts.

I'm 31 and a girl. I will always be a girl :)

but you are also a woman :) I guess, anyway ;)

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Then that means that you have not developed into a woman yet but you will get there eventually. I knew when I was a woman and not a girl anymore but did question it until I got there.

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Porn is at the forefront of all kinds of innovation. Porn drives internet growth and new technology.

lol

True, without porn the VCR would probably still be just a novelty and DVDs would never have been created.

to inscrease the size of the penis its worse

They better find a way to make men grow bigger dicks LOL

only if they have power , and most wont have any , so im guessing east coast guys wont be around

Don't believe the hype of the fear mongers and politicians. Its only a tropical storm with minor damage, very minor flooding and a few power outages. The Media are just trying to boost TV ratings with all the hype. Its all much ado about nothing.

Few power outages? You mean over 4 million. Sure it didnt have all the wind they thought but there has been a foot of rain that has fallen. Where I live, the main road to get from one side of the state to the other, that road is closed because of flooding....

be sure and inform NJ about that "minor" flooding

I am in asheville, NC. and no problem here just winds and really minor flooding.

jersey's floods should set records the next two days

So will ours War. We are losing bridges left and right.

boo hoo

WOW! you're one of those people bright enough to sit in the path of a category 4 or 5 hurricane! CONGRATULATIONS! where do we send your diploma?

Hopefully Jersey will remain under water. ;-))

I was thinking the same :-P

shhhhhhhhhhhhhh tissue! dont be giving away NY's greatest desires

You live in Georgia where they had no storm?

37 dead, $7 billion in damage, over 7 million homes and businesses lost power. I guess you think it would be better if nobody was evacuated so that maybe the number of dead could have been higher.

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maybe you finally understand the mentality of some of the hosts on here now. you are right, some of them dont care who is hurt in the disaster. the only thing that is important is if they come to cc to spend money.

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leave it to people in the forums to make a ig whiny deal that way off the topic

Very well put hostie! Ann this is not the welfare line this is your job to earn money that you chose. Be your best which is to entertain members that pay you and the money will follow. What you earn anyway.
I too care about the people in the Irene disaster or any disaster and their well being and I agree that the original post sounded self serving.
Tired of hosts that are waiting for a chance to attack members and as if they owe you something! Ann you gave a great example of that. Time to get on board the world does not rotate around you. Big difference from Hostie's post.

This is the job you choose and not bad working conditions if I might add! Why should the members come here to feel sorry for you? They are here to
have a good time and not support you outside of what it costs already to view you. Wow you girls are so quick to jump into your pitty parties...

"whats the most important- they should be online, dressed sexy ,with make up and strip."

Yes that's it exactly. Each of us is responsible for our own well being. That goes for hosts and members.

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I suppose it all depends on what the lie is. If a host is pretending to be friends with a member then one could argue that she is just doing her job. If she is promising marriage etc then that, in my opinion, is wrong.

All new members should ask themselves one question (or two depending on the answer to question one).

1. Do I really believe that this beautiful sexy girl would fall in love with me ?

2. If your answer to 1. was yes then ask "What the fuck am I doing on this site when I could go out and find a girl in my own town who is just as beautiful and sexy as the girl on cc.

it was not a host ...it was member....

Wow sorry to hear that scenario as well!! So does your hurt come from that he used you for free video's? Did you meet him in person before he changed his direction? Did you hear what you wanted to hear or how guys talk when they are not being committal yet getting to know you? This is a fantasy site just as dating sites are until you are actually around the person and can actually feel the chemistry and if it is there or not. I am sure you flirt and tease and compliment with members as well and it all feels real but it isn't until each can actually be in the others presence. Online we show our best and what we want to others to see and believe and in real it we are just us and trying to be on our best behavior. Online others visualize how they want to think of you with minimal information but with their own stored information that might not even be close to who you really are but what they want you to be.
I am sorry if you feel that you were robbed in some way!! I feel your tone as bitter and yet you certainly sounded like a member where a host had advertised and led you to believe differently. How can a member diceive you with only words while he is experiencing a sexual experience and wanting to tell you anything at a distance to turn the experience into his own fantasy? I am confused how a member telling you what you want to hear is deception.
Please share if you want honest opinions how this person did not benefit you through the experience and $$ (that is what you are here for, right) and as a friend? You are asking but with such general comments....Hard to understand other than your hearing your anger from hurt!

Dont mess private life and work. If you get paid, you have to play in that games that offer to you a customer (this why they pay you for), dont take things too serious till the moment you feel really something special to a member, then you should continue with him off any adult sites.

"Dont mess private life and work. If you get paid, you have to play in that games that offer to you a customer (this why they pay you for), dont take things too serious"

Excellent advice. Outstanding!

"So please can anyone tell me why so called friends lie?"

You answered your own question with the "so called" part.
"Why do people bother to say things that are not true"

Because, although you don't want to hear it, in most cases it is about the money and video.

"We are online for heavens sake, it is not like we are going to see each other in person, so why bother lying?"

See answer above. I could also ask if you are never going to meet why does it matter that you are being told lies ?

"It makes no sense to me, I would think that people would want the nice things that are said to them to be honest and sincere"

Of course we would but given the option of :-

a) ImNotYourFriend you are the sweetest member on here and I love being in video with you (Now this is either a lie or the way I ask a girl to get naked and use her toys must be so much better than the way other guys do)

OR

b) ImNotYourFriend you are so fucking boring that I am seriously thinking of putting my price up to compensate myself from having to listen to you but on second thoughts no amount of money is worth it so you are blocked you fucking ugly boring dickhead.

I will choose option a) everytime. Although, strangely, option b) does hold a certain charm for me :P

So in summary, although I am sorry you got hurt, not all of us want to hear the truth. If all I get is the truth then no girl will ever admit to me, in video, that she has slept with nearly 100 men (and that was just his week !!!!)

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it's a fantasy site. it should have been evident that the host was simply doing her job and giving you the kind of relationship you wanted from her because you were paying her. i don't get why that's so difficult for some guys to understand.
don't take this place so seriously. just relax and have a little fun. it's easy.

Yeah that right its internet just have fun. But Please TO ALL HOSTS STOP LIAR TO ALL MEMBERS OK? If CONTINUE liar then we will not take any hosts in video! Why cant Host tell us the whole truth? Dont be chicken out!!!

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and it is male that has done this and not just one, and it has nothing to do with money...

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Then you are taking your job here much too seriously!! Are you really here to make friends that you can confide in your deepest thoughts or are you here to make money from pleasing guys?? Also do you lead them to believe what you want them to...or do you tell them your deepest truths? Keep your personal life separate and please your friends here with their desires and you will understand. No don't lie to others but when they are coming to see you and paying you do you really think that these are like your friends or close family?? If so get another job because you will be hurt over and over again! We all know when members come here they will say what their little brain is thinking to get pleasure. Having a sad host here with all her personal problems can kill a friendship here in no time...sorry but that is what the little brain says! They might not being lying in their eyes at the time. If they say you have a great *ss and I want to marry you then it is what they are feeling at the time...meaning they want you close NOW! Do they mean to lie? NO that is how they feel at the moment.
This is a great fantasy place and there are some that get serious but this is your job and until they come to pay you to hear your personal problems, then it is a business deal and you are the cheerleader!.
Are you sure you only tell the truth or how you feel at the moment?

here's a revelation.what you consider your moral barometer is unlikely to be the same as others,especially when you add in distance etc.it may suprise you but i'm betting there are people in this world who would think your standards aren't as high as they should be.never judge others by your standards & always expect nothing.if you expect nothing your expectations will always be surpassed.
bottom line you're not stupid,you're like everyone a fallible,emotional mortal,who lives,gives,shares,cares & dares to hope & dream :--)

i did not have expectations, was just a fluke that i found out about the lie...and it is not the first time nor the first male to do it....i have even been stupid enough to visit men from here only to find out it was not friendship they intended to try to screw with me the whole time.

after it happens enough times it is just hard and very disheartening, because I was honest every time, and I was assured every time, noooooo ...only as friends and every time it was lies....

can you give a few more details about the lie.. I have been lied to aswell and i agree its so so stupid its not hard to be honest. I'm a member not a host, But i'm curious what has happened to you?

Well it is simple, as i said in my original post, they say all kinds of nice things, but then you find out that they not mean it.

As for visiting people, some i knew for a while, and they knew that it was only friendship and agreed, but when I got there, they were completely different and said that they figured they could change my mind once i was there.

then I was given the guilt trips of "well if you really like me you will" "if you are reallly my friend then you will"...."i guess you not really like me or you would"....and you know the funny thing is I did like them, I just was not going to jump into bed right away to prove it.....and I was not going to jump into bed and have them think I was easy and not want to know me any more.

I did not go with any expectations, because i had said right from the beginning that I was not going to jump in bed with anyone and i was only meeting as friends, and they agreed, and i have learned that if you have expectations then there is a good chance you will be hurt or disappointed. I simply take people as they are and it wasnt like I had just met them nor known them for only a month or two.

so each person that I thought was a friend, turned out I was wrong....I guess on here when a member says he is your friend, I should take it with a grain of salt...

and as for those that say "i love you" ..."your the only one"..."can we try for more because I really want to know you".....well it seems they were saying the same thing to others too..and some even admitted once the lie came out that they say it to a number of other hosts.....heck i even got a mail from one saying all kinds of things, only problem was the name in the mail was not my name but another host's name...lool..

and again for me money and videos had nothing to do with any of it. In fact I i stopped doing video because I did not want them thinking that it was only the money i was after.

I really thought that those that were saying we are friends, really meant it, and those that were saying the nice things and wanting more really meant it.

and noooo I did not once say anything to lead them on, i did not say lies to keep them...I am a rather quiet person and It is not easy for me to let people in. but each time I have, i have gotten screwed over.

it just seems to always happen.

You know another funny thing, everyone of these people complained of how hosts and women they know in person lie to them and how they would never do that to anyone. well i guess even that was a lie.

I am just way to stupid to believe. But I can say that this last time of being screwed over, has changed my opinion big time, and I do not believe nor trust much of what comes out of a members mouth any more.

And I am sorry but when a person comes complaining of being lied to, you really do not expect them to do the very same.

NO the posts are right, people do not want to hear the truth when it is hurtful. however, that is when you are talking about a typical host -member situation. yes men come here and want a host to say yes i like you and oh yes you are good and ohhh yes that really turns me on. even if in their heads they are thinking of what they going to make for dinner that night.

I have no problem with members saying they only here to get off that is fine. but when a member is the one that is saying he wants friendship, or when it is a member that says he wants than a host member relationship, then why lie about it.

if all you want is to get your rocks off then fine, there is no need to lie and lead a person on.

Members expect hosts to say all kinds of things and lie to get their money. and they know that hosts have many men come threw their room, just like hosts expect members to see other hosts. heck a host would be blind to not expect members to have a list of hosts they see. So why would these members feel the need to lie when money and video has nothing to do with it.

So i really do not see the point

Do you come here to make friends and have them travel to see you only to buy you dinner? This is a fantasy sit about sex! If this is where you find friends then you need to realize that it is not about friends. You must have had some expectations of something if they are spending money to come to see you....come on. I am sorry that you are so young and do not realize that guys that are friends from here do not spend money to have a friend that is a girl! Are they lying or do you not understand guys? Sorry that you are just learning that it is very rare to have a guy as a true friend that is not with sexual expectations when they spend money and meet you at a sex site.

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It is confusing to read what you say. You say some members tell you they want to be your friends and then they come to you or you go to them and they want to go to bed with you, right? They met you here on a sex site and want to be your friend and then when you meet then they want sex? What did you expect? Why did you meet them? How were you going to benefit? There is a reason that you met them and it is not clear why.
The second is that you meet some that say I want to have a relationship with you and then it sounds that they tell other girls the same so you are hurt about that when you find out. Did they also come to have sex?
You think you are being clear but you are not. Give details #1 then #2 and more if you want real answers.
Most people are good with good intentions and then some are not. Why do it happen to you so much? Tell all story if you want to get right answers not they all do this and they all do that.

i have a situation that i would describe similar and i would not want to get to much into the details just that i know there is many lies involved.. And it doesnt' feel nice... Maybe the worst feeling when you really start to believe and then you are lied to even little silly lies when you find out hurt so badly.. Btw. I'm a member not a host but it goes both ways i'm sure... Were all humans... All just people breathing the same air.. Life Goes On ... Keep your Chin up you sound like a very nice girl..

In reading your posts it is like trying to figure out the situations with no details. You meet guys here thinking that they want to be friends or realtionsip and then you are naive to sleep with them? Not being mean but why do you come here if you want to meet a guy or a friend? Are you in marriage/long term realtions? Are you lonely or is this your job?
If they come to see you then I dont think they mean to lie but guys think with their c*ck when they meet a host especially fi they saw you naked before. Not stupid just searching in the wrong place so maybe naive. Sorry but truth is this sounds very one sided and it is you that needs to make different choices what you are here for.

What in the world have these customers told you that you feel so bitter and hurt about? Did they start seeing another host or Mistress or did they quit coming to your room? What are talking about? Members say what they feel at the moment and if they return it is because they want to see you again. This is all anonymous for both sides and to make each feel good this not life! It is a hosts job to make the member feel good when he comes to your room (and not the other way around like some hosts expect). Who is paying?
Are you a jealous host that finds her regulars are not cumming to see you on a regular basis when you need the money. Do you cry your personal life to them and they quit coming because they want to be happy when they come here? Confused!
I love CC because it is a fantasy and all should have fun when they come here and when I see someone again that is good if it is happy. If I see them again then it is great if it is happy. If I spend money and see them again and they are all bummed out with life then I don't want to spend money to hear it because I know they will figure it out and I should still be able to come here and feel happy!

Dear disappointed, your anger and hurt is very much seen, heard and felt. Please take a deep breath and tell me if I am in the right area ok?

First: I have read all that you have posted and I think the thing that is confusing people is that you are talking about two things that are different from each other, yet all boils down to lies. Yes?

Second: One you are talking about friendship and the other you are talking about members who say nice things and say they want more with you, meaning a relationship. Yet in both cases it is always lies. Yes?

Third: When you talk about friendship do you mean on this site or online in general or here and online in general?

Some people are just liars.

A scorpion comes to a riverbank and needs to get a cross. He sees a turtle and asks' "Hey can you give me a ride across the river?" The turtle say "If I do, you'll just sting me and we'll both drown". The scorpion comes back with " Now is that logical? Does that make any sense at all? Like you said If I sting you we both die. I don't want to die". The turtle thinks for a moment and says " You're right that wouldn't be logical. Okay climb on my back and I'll take you across" The scorpion gets on and when they get out to the middle of the river he stings the turtle. As they are sinking down to the bottom to their deaths, the turtle asks " Now why in the heck would you do that??? It is not in the lease bit logical???" The scorpion replies "It has nothing to do with logic...its my character"

wow i really thought that people would consider the question instead of jumping the conclusion that i did something wrong, or going on about this being a sex site, not a dating site and dating people and people paying to meet me in person. how easily a simple question can be turned around soooooo badly and so misinterpretded. goes to show just how stupid i really that even asking a simple question it taken completely wrong.

while other posts jump to accusing me of just saying crap just to get money out of members.

My original post and clearly saying this has nothing to do with money nor videos and yet pretty much majority of responding posts are filled with accusations and accusing questions. and even two hosts sit there and throw dirt at me. thank u soo much for making a stupid person feel even more stupid and even cheap.

Usually posts like this come from members so I think the vast majority of posters, including me, thought you were a member rather than a host.

Perhaps if you had made that clear in your original post the answers would have been different.

But the bottom line is that a lot of hosts lie to get more money and a lot of members lie to try and get sex.

"But the bottom line is that a lot of hosts lie to get more money and a lot of members lie to try and get sex. "

Amen brother!

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GNORE the fact that this is a sex site, because in the post it makes it very clear...making money has nothing to do with it, video has nothing to do with it. It is simply about friendships, relationships, people and lies.

Thank you to the very small few who actually read the post without jumping on me and making me feel even worse than i do. and actually responded without accusing or telling me in so many words that i did something wrong or jumping to the wrong conclusion.

First: To all that jumped on me NO I DID NOT COME HERE TO MEET FOR DATES, NOR TO MEET PEOPLE IN PERSON FOR SEX, NO PEOPLE DO NOT PAY TO VISIT ME IN PERSON FOR SEX. I CAME HERE TO WORK, AND I AM NOT SOME YOUNG PUP WHO DOES NOT KNOW BETTER NOR WHO JUST STARTED HERE, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MAKING MONEY NOR VIDEOS, I DID NOT JUST START WORKING HERE, USUALLY I JUST SHRUG THIS OFF AND CONTINUE ON,

AND TO THE HOST THAT SAYS SEPARATE PRIVATE FROM WORK, AND TAKE THE FRIENDSHIP OR RELATIONSHIP OFF THIS SITE. WELL SORRY BUT THAT DOES NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION BECAUSE AGAIN MY QUESTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MAKING MONEY NOR DOING VIDEOS.

WHY IS THAT EVERYONE HAS TO ASSOCIATE MY QUESTION WITH VIDEOS, MAKING MONEY AND WORK. DOES IT TAKE A HAMMER TO SEE THAT THE QUESTION IS IF A PERSON WANTS TO BE FRIENDS THEN WHY SPEND THE FRIENDSHIP LYING. AND IF A PERSON WANTS TO A RELATIONSHIP WITH SOMEONE THEN WHY LIE.


Maybe I should have posted this on a site that is not a sex site, so people will get off the one track road about why hosts are here. when that has nothing to do with my question.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN BUILDING FOR THE LAST FEW DAYS AND TODAY IT REACHED ITS BOILING POINT and when writing all the lies that i have told me all jumbled in my head, it just all came out. and it took the posts from those few that did not jump on me and especially the post from thinker to help me be able to look at what she asked in order to write this. And I thank thinker's post and those few that did not jump on me for thier posts. and for helping me to write this.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE FACT THAT MEN COME HERE TO GET THEIR JOLLIES. I KNOW IT IS A FANTASY/SEX SITE, I HAVE AND HAVE HAD MEMBERS SAY I AM NOT HERE TO MAKE FRIENDS I AM ONLY HERE FOR ONE REASON AND THAT IS FINE, THAT IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE POINT.

ok taking a deep breath...

Yes thinker you are right there is much anger and hurt, and what you said in your first remark makes sense, in my original post I thought I had made it clear it is simply about lies and then when I read the other posts with the assumptions and accusing questions it felt like i was being attacked and other things, which got me even more upset that my question was taken so very wrongly which is evident from the above and when I tried to explain my writing got haywire and confusing and that again brought accusations, assumptions and accusing questions questions. which caused my anger, hurt and frustration to get even bigger. I appologize for not being my usual calm self..

Your first point:

Yes again you are right it is two different things but and yes it all boils down to lies!!!

Your second point:

YesI am talking about friendship and also those members who say they want a relationship and both cases it involves lies.

Your third point:

When I talk about friendship I mean in general, on this site and online in general.

It has nothing to do with being jealous, it has nothing to do with members going to other hosts, nor any of the other things that many have said, in thier responses. it has to do with lies.

I am sure that there are some hosts that get members coming to them very angry and hurt because those sweet little lies that other hosts do tell came to light.

It is simply about lies. Be it on here, or online or in person or in general. Why do people who say they want to be friends lie? And why do those who say they want a relationship lie?

We have all had people lie to us, be it hosts, members, people in our personal life, and those who are suppose to be friends, those who supposedly want a relationship.

My original post and my question is WHY DO THOSE ONLINE WHO SAY THEY WANT TO BE FRIENDS LIE, AND WHY DO THOSE WHO SAY THEY WANT A RELATIONSHIP LIE? BE IT ON THIS SITE AND ONLINE? WHEN IT COMES TO ONLINE AND WANTING TO BE FRIENDS THEN WHY BOTHER TO LIE?

Yes there are hosts on here that lie in there text and in video to make money. Yes there are hosts who lie in thier profiles. Yes there are members that lie to get what they want sexually. Yes there are members who lie to try and get a host to meet them in person. I have even had my fill going to the bar or anywhere and people lie just to try to get sex. and that is not new and that was not the point of my question. Even tho it sucks and makes it hard for many and can hurt many as I have read over and over again. I am use to all that.

It is not me looking or asking to be friends nor have a relationship it is members/people coming to me asking to be friends. or wanting relationship, so if that is what they want then why lie, it makes no sense.

But when a person comes to you and says they want to be friends or a relationship, then why spend that frienship or relationship with nothing but lies?

I have had my fill of members saying sweet things that were just bs, it was just that the last few days and today especially I have been finding out that those that claimed to be friends have lied big time and there was no need to lie, I tell people, I would rather know the truth then be lied to, it is fine if I am not a persons type or if I do something or say something that turns them off, I can not change things that are in my control if I do not not know about it.

and I am sorry but I really am not good at saying oh yes baby you are the hotest thing since sliced bread, yes I love you, or all the other lies that hosts say to members because for one many of the members that I do get have come angry and hurt because they had hosts that said all that to them and the member fell for it and got hurt cos he found out that it was not true. and the second reason I dont do it is because I know it is not true and it hinders with me being able to honestly enjoy the time with the member. so when a member asks me a question that I know I can not answer the way he wants I find a way to answer it without lying but still making him feel good about himself. altho if a member is crude and demanding and arrogant and asks then I will say I am sorry but you need to find another host that will say the things you want to hear.

As for hearing repeatedly members saying they are in love with thier wife or gf and family and only here for what ever reason and such, that does not bother me, i do hear that, and it is nice to hear that they are in love with thier partner, because often i have found that what is lacking with thier partner can be changed too, there have been many times that a member has come to me saying about a partner and what is wrong, and I have made suggestions and they have said wow I did not think of approaching it that way, I know most hosts would call me a nut for not just rushing them into video and taking there money, but there are enough members on here that just want to get thier rocks off and either dont care about thier partner or dont have a partner, so if it is possible to help a few members be able to have thier desires met with thier partner then great, I am happy to talk with them in text and help that way. because I know that for many on here having that need met by thier partner is not possible, so when the chance is there to help in that way then why not help in that way.

I do not need to have a member tell me that he loves me if it is not true, I do not need to have a member tell me that I am the hottest female he has ever seen, because I know that is not true, and well when someone is telling me something that stinks to high heaven that is a turn off. a simple you have a nice smile, or your are pretty is fine if it is true, that will get me in the mood to have fun, and when a member says what it is that he is wanting and the sort of things that he likes without being crude, well that lets me know what I can do and gives ideas of how to please him, rather than hearing well do what you do best or they say well you know what I want, well sorry but no I do not know if you do not give me ideas of what you like and what turns you on. loool

There are ways to please a member and make him feel good without having to lie to him, there are ways to answer a members question without hurting his feelings and lying to him, and you can still make him feel good about himself.

Not all hosts need to lie to a member in order to be able to please that member,

SO IGNORE the fact that this is a sex site, because in the post it makes it very clear...money has nothing to do with it, video has nothing to do with it. It is simply about friendships, relationships, people and lies.

So my question in my post still stands.....Why do people who ask to be friends with you lie? Why do people who ask for a relationship lie? What is the point in one asking for a friendship or relationship is only going to lie?

I think it is as a valid a question as anyone can ask. Why do we lie period?

I have often pondered this myself and although I cannot claim to be whiter than white I do consciously try and behave as I would like others to behave to me. In my experience though not everyone likes or even wants the truth all the time and perhaps being too honest is as bad as being dishonest? Despite that though, is it not better to be at least true to yourself so you can be the best you can to others?

Friends can lie. To protect feelings, to try and avoid heartache and trouble to even save you from yourself. But it should always be done with a guilty conscience and the belief that you do what you do because it is right and because you care.

I must admit that I have never felt as publicly passionately about being lied to as you demonstrate but personally I think that just shows the passion with which you feel betrayal like this. It is to be commended, as I have always felt it is better to care too much than it is to not care at all. *sighs*

It all boils down to what friendship really means for people and how serious they take that as a commitment to each other. It is not about power or prestige it is about sharing and caring when no one else would.

I feel for you, disappointed, how could I not? I take friendships very seriously too. May you never change in that respect.


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I know talking to oneself is bad but, then again, do I really care what people think?

A thought just occurred to me that the basis for any relationship that is founded on a lies must come from an insecurity of one or the other parties. Either they feel they have to compensate about not being who they really are, or they wish to believe someone else is not something they really are either.

There are no hard and fast rules about how many lies build to make a relationship false but it is a pretty good bet the more lies you need to pile onto each other the more of a fiction your life will be. Some people truly are so delusional they manufacture entire worlds in which they are the centre and you seem to always be on the outside looking in.

Ultimately I think all relationships, including friendships, fundamentally come down to a commitment to each other. That is a willingness to sacrifice things that are important to you in order to help EACH OTHER. Quid pro quo, as they say.

Unfortunately this is not always what happens and friendships just like relationships can become very one sided, with one party giving all and the other only taking.

To disappointed, I would begin question myself how valid were those relationships when you think about how balanced they were?

You are right in that it is not always about money but about self sacrifice of others. When someone does something for you they don't have to do is it out of the purest motives, to care for you, or is it out of some deep seated self serving plan they have?

It troubles me a little I came to this thread late but what tis done is done and I am glad to vent my thoughts about it. It reminds me that the forums can still come alive when real people are moved to post real feelings about real issues. Something I had truly given up on till now.

TNTJATFTD

"not everyone likes or even wants the truth all the time"

I agree, often times truth hurts.

You are always so sexy, love you sexy man, mmmmmuuuuuaaaahhhh!

Are you telling a lie or do you really love him?

Sexy?? Hmmm...actually he is not sexy at all (how I understand sexy), but a good teller, that is true.

that was very cold and mean of u host, as disappointed also stated in her posts, there are ways to tell someone what you think and still be honest without being cold and cruel.

Disappointed has most certainly shown just how cold and unsuportive many can be.

If we were stop and think about it, we have all had such a thing happen to us, and we can all remember how we felt, yet to read many of the responses on here it seems like many have forgotten those times that all of us, both men and women have all been lied to and how it hurt and made us angry.

All we have to do is look at many of the posts in both member and general forum and we can see that many have written about a host that has lied in her profile as well as in video and in text, and some responses to those posts are supportive to the member and then some are critical and telling the member to get a brain. but many of the responses are supportive to the member. Yet a host posts about the same subject and is thrown to the wolves by both members and hosts. with most posts showing no support and pretty much saying that she did something to cause the hurt to herself and that she did something to create this to happen to her, even tho she has repeatedly stated that it was the member(s) who came to her asking for the friendship or relationship. Yet she still gets responses blaming her of doing it.

It certainly is ironic.

Well, I think many men dont really sexy or (look sexy). At least for men not really so important look sexy. Why to lie they are if they are not? The point of "disappointed" to tell truth, so why now you say you dont like to hear the truth? I am sure THT knows it himself and doesn't care about it too much,as he is not gonna hosting here. ;) By the way I can read in viewers forum much meaner words about hosts (women!)...that they are not sexy, old, look strange and other crap...almost no members who say that is so mean and insulting (and believe that is for every hosts).

I did not say you had to lie. I simply said that how you said it was cold and cruel.

I also said that there are ways to say the truth without being so cold and cruel. maybe you should learn to read all of what is said instead of just picking out certain words.

Disappointed also said that there is a way to tell the truth without being mean and cruel.

"mmmmmmm" complimented him by saying he is sexy, so to her he is. Maybe to you he is not but you could have easily said he is not your type.

Yes I know members are cold and cruel, but that does not mean that you have to be just like they are.

But ok if you to bring yourself down to their level then fine.

I guess if I were to come to your video and then write that you are ugly, instead of saying you are not as appealing as I like.

You see my dear, it is not what you it is how you say it!!!

So for you is no difference between men and women, huh? Look INYF keep telling that he is not really attractive man, I believe him he is not, but it doesn't damage him, he knows women like him not for the beauty of his eyes.lol Once again I didn't call anyone ugly even, I just say "no sex" there, but if she thinks he is....hm I am happy for TNT then, it something really new about him for me.

You keep missing the point, it is not what you said it is how you said it.

You can say all you want the fact is that how you said it came across as cold.

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Either the language barrier is preventing her from understanding what you are saying or she is choosing to not understand, and by the way she has continued to respond,

It is obvious that she is choosing to not understand and does not care. Otherwise if she did care she would say just say that she did not mean for her words to sound cold. So do not waste your time or energy, as you are only banging your head against a brick wall loool.

TNT knows who his friends are.

It is funny how she says ..

"I am not paid here to talk warm words about anyone....especially about who never pays me."

Well she is not paid to talk cold words about anyone either. It just shows that you have to pay this particular host then she will say warm words.

Altho I am not sure if those warm words are real or just the money talking, which is a small example of what disappointed was saying.

Just know thinker that I also agree that when I read what she said, it came across as cold too.

I understand what he is talking about, but I am experienced enough not searching friends in sex-chat sites, as I dont want to be disappointed then. Also I dont allow guys to take advantage of his "friendship" anymore.

Well now that shows those of us that do know TNT, that you do not know him.

He is one of few here that does not take advantage of his "friendship" with people.

"I understand what he is talking about,....."

Who r u talking about when you say "he"?

I said about "thinker".
I have no illusion why some guys come to sex-site just for chatting in forums, comm-chat, text-chats and etc even they know very well most hosts here about the money not about "making friends". I call it "take advantage of friendship". Myself I meet many guys like that, yes they are nice, say only good and right words, that every hosts like to hear....but they never spend any money on hosts. All they need is to find any ears to chat hrs about themself. Sorry I am pass.

I do not recall seeing anywhere where thinker indicated being male or female.

I feel that you dont get what I want to say.
Even if I really sound a bit cruel and cold, I might have reasons for it, that is all. And I agree with saying "better bad truth than nice lie" and if you have read first post of author, that is exactly she stated.

ohhh we know what the first post was...

"mmmmm" You are always so sexy, love you sexy man, mmmmmuuuuuaaaahhhh!

and even tho that compliment was not directed at you in any way, you chose to jump in coldly with...

"Sexy?? Hmmm...actually he is not sexy at all (how I understand sexy), but a good teller, that is true."

You had no business even saying what you did, because you were not defending no one, you simply chose to be cold and mean towards someone that did not even deserve it.

I think I better nip this in the bud before it becomes too aggressive.

It is true I have never claimed to be another Brad Pitt, that much is obvious, but as a good friend of mine likes to say "Intelligence Is Sexy" so perhaps it is to this that mmmm was alluding to.

I fully appreciate that there are different strokes for different folks and one of the lessons I have learned from experience is that you just cannot please all the people all the time so there is very little point in getting upset when you and a host don't 'click'.

Not that I feel 'host' is hostile to me, she is just being candid in a way she knows I would appreciate.

I am a fan of plain speaking but it is true that sometimes it is better to say nothing than to say something barbed that you know is spiteful.

Were you being spiteful host? I think not. I am just a sexy boy to you ;) That is fair enough as it takes more than just a pretty face to catch my attention too but that is a whole other thread.

Better to be true to yourself so others can be true to you or to be more poetic about it lies become heavy on the tongue when repeated.. the truth is very light.

TNTETR

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Like the old saying "Cash talks and bullshit walks". Start walking TNT!

Whoops you are correct of course I did mean to say I am just _NOT_ a sexy boy to you ;) Guess I was in a rush. Happens sometimes.

That being said I guess it all comes down to a persons imagination. Words can be exceptionally sexy if used in the right way and in the right context but for most people that seems an impossibility. Often though they forget there was a world before webcams and it is not always what someone looks like determines how attracted you are to them.

However I am resigned to remaining unsexy in your eyes as I doubt I will ever see you in video. Don't take that personally, it is just the way it is.

Take care and thank you for your veracity, I appreciate it.

TNTWHLPFTT

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"so why bother lying?""

Pathological liars get their jollies from just the lie itself

OMG! I can not believe she is being attacked so much for her simple comment. She made it clear that she didn't find him sexy but she thought is was sharp in his thinking.....so what! You can't tell people what they have the right to say. It is her place to say what she chooses.
Get over it....you made your point!!

You are very wise to believe me. But women like me ? Where are they ? Please tell :P

My eyes are sore for the very long post. "So my question in my post still stands.....Why do people who ask to be friends with you lie? Why do people who ask for a relationship lie? What is the point in one asking for a friendship or relationship is only going to lie? "

I have absolutely no fucking idea. I have a personal policy of believing nothing I read and only half of what I see. And as is written in so many hosts' profiles "Having expectations lead to disappointment" So having no expectations is the only way to go.

No one is wanting to be mean here yet you come to a sex and fantasy site to ask a general question with out specific details and you call them all "liars"! That is your perspective of the truth and not the entire story. You are bashing guys here that you came in contact with and they all lied to you on a sex site. You can ignore that fact if you like but it is the truth!! Wonder what their side of the story would be? Maybe you misunderstood especially again working on a sex site and they assume that you are not a virgin or a prude or you would not be here! So they might be thinking one thing and you another. Give youself some relief and do not come here for friendships or relationships! That is the simple solution because no one can give you an honest answer until they hear every situation both sides.
Do you always tell the truth? Do your parents and family know that you work here? Do all your friends and co-workers know? Do you put down you exact age or one that you picked? I bet one of those things you did lie to others so answer that and you will have your answer!
It is ridiculous for you to come here and ask over and over a question when no one has the truths which is the whole story not just your version.
Guys are known for bullshitting to each other just read the forums....they make me laugh. They are sales people to get what they want. Sure on a sex site they will tell you anything they think you want to hear to get what they want. So does that make them all liars? NO!
If someone wants to have a relationship anywhere but especially on a sex site they mean they want to get to know you. If at any point they change their mind during the process does not make them a liar. It means they changed their mind.
You decided to post here for some reason and you want a simple answer without details and then you start yelling at others in CAPS because you are angry. You should confide in your real friends and let them lie to you because they don't want to hurt your feelings of if you do have a real friend then they will tell you the truth and I bet you would not take it well just from your response here!

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#1 This is a sex site and regardless of what you say you must look at the reality that it started with a member with video and money! Yes you also posted this on a sex site and you want answers. Who can tell you without lying to try to make you feel better? We know nothing about the people that you are referring to to tell you why or if they lied.
#2 I personally have only a handful of friends in my world that I honestly can trust and that was proven to me over time. All the rest are associates. It does not freak me out if they lie about something. I have a choice whether I want them in my life or not. If I feel decieved by them then I make the decision to talk to my friend directly about it and hopefully get to the reason. An associate friend I can choose to talk to them directly about it or let them go or the situation go. Not all people that you get to know are true friends and that is determined over time.
#3 I feel like if you come here and believe what others tell you without seeing proof over time that you are making yourself very vulnerable. I take most of the things that are told to me with a grain of salt. Actions always speak louder than words. In fact I consider myself on the "show me" plan. I don't leave myself vulnerable to believe all that others say but over time if they show me with actions that supports their words then I begin to believe what they tell me but not until then. I consider anyone that I meet here an assoicate friend but in reality they are really my fantasy friend because we both talk about happy fun things not my inner most thoughts. We have fun here and that is what it is all about and sex :)
#4 Guys are totally different. They think different and on a sex site they have one thing on their mind when they come here and it is sex. I am a different person when I am on here than my friends know me. Guys also get a lot of rejection from the opposite sex through time and they learn to say what you want to hear to get your attention. You are on a sex site and they had hopes that it could be more when you went to visit them. That's how guys think!
#5 I hear your anger, disappointment and hurt as others here do and the truth is that no one here can make you feel better or take that feeling away from you. You need to give it to higher power, learn from it and move forward. The more that you dwell on it the bigger and more hurtfull it becomes. Instead of letting each incident go and realize that it is killing you inside. You are giving your energy to the negative feelings. The opposite of that and the healing way would be to think about the positives that each one brought. There are positives out of each relationship and even though you don't want to talk about money there certainly was a financial gain and I am sure other positive things that came out of it. If you focus on the negative then you will attract more negatives. If you pick the positive out of each and let it go then you will attract positives in your life. It is the law of the Universe. It is over, it's done and it was all in the past...now let it go and free your mind and soul from it.
#6 Food for thought: Those members that came into your life did not do it with the intention to hurt you or change you as a person. They might have had their own agenda in mind but they certainly were hoping for the best for both of you. Instead of thinking that it would screw over your world they were thinking there might be a potential for an intimate realtionship. It is a sex site and it is easy for them to assume that you too must enjoy it or you wouldn't be here. The ones that wanted a relationship, well something along the way changed. We don't know all the details if it happened before you met them in person or after but one thing for sure is that it also has happened to every single person here when things don't work out. If they changed their mind maybe they thought it would hurt you to tell you so they just quit contacting you. That is how guys think. When I don't see a relationship going somewhere that is how I deal with it. I don't want to hurt someone I just figure that by avoiding it, then it will come to an end. It is awkward when you try to tell someone because more than likely their disappointment will turn to anger. If I am asked then yes I will confirm that my interest isn't there any longer but I don't want the confrontation. Does that make me bad and a liar because I don't feel the same way that I once did? I don't think so, it means that when I got more information then I lost interest.
I hope you can heal inside and not stack up all your hurts and hate because it will only effect you. Yes make some changes in your choices and do things differently to avoid being disappointed and so vulnerable. Let others prove through their actions that they deserve your trust and don't keep reliving the past. If you meet guys through a sex site know that they are thinking that sex will be in their intentions. Be selective who you accept as true freinds. Know that long distance relationships usually do not work out. Put yourself in the position to meet locals to you so that there is no fantasizing through phone calls and computer. That is not real. Dating someone and being around them physically is the only way that a chemistry and honest relationship can develop otherwise it is a pure fantasy for both.
Sorry that you feel hurt and I hope you can heal and let it go. Best Wishes

Lets face it, if a woman works on a site like this, her moral compass has got to be pointing somewhere other than Mother Theresa's. It's no surprise therefore that the site would attract the emotionally disingenuous.

Sorry, but it IS for money, because if a girl makes you think you can have her in reality, or that you are somehow "special" then you'll keep coming back and spending more in chat Even if it's only 30 minutes once a month, it's still worth a few minutes of bull**** every now and then.

My thank you to all the responses, majority of the posts most certainly has let me know just how stupid I have been and am...

There were a number of posts giving instances and then asking if i thought they a liar or are lying, no that is not what i was saying at all, if u change your mind then fine at least have the balls to say so but then don't keep coming back asking for something that is really not wanted. i am sorry that my questions had people thinking the way they did, that was not what i said at all.

I wish everyone well, Goodbye..

I think u r young, not stupid. Pls post yr nuckname. I would like to chat with you

Perhaps it is just me you hardly scream honesty when you don't post with your real member name so people can contact you. Why on earth would you feel disappointed should post hers so you can talk to her?

It sorta typifies what she has been saying about people with ulterior motives who lie to become friends, lie to become lovers, lie to get what they want without any concern for others.

I somehow doubt you will be haring from her any time soon, she is prolly fed up of people never saying what they mean and I could not blame her. Just leave her be, she has had enough 'helpful' advice on this matter. I don't think she wants or needs any more.


TNTIAEBSPOB

It should always be remembered that members can have multiple real names - even ones specifically purposed for ulterior motives. Sad but true.

I think it best just to accept this place for what it is and not risk anything too precious here. Fun can still be had, I think.

BTW, what on earth does TNTIAEBSPOB mean?

How perceptive! I am impressed!

Bottom line: Guys want sex and when they come to a sex site they think they are meeting girls that want sex too! Ever heard of friends with benefits? Well when guys want to be your friend here that is what they are thinking. Once you understand that then it should reduce future misunderstandings.
I am a host here and I experienced meeting a member 1 time that also disappointed me when I met him. Yep he wanted sex and yet we had agreed to friends only. He also was nothing like he sounded through conversations. I let it go and took it as a compliment that I am just as sexy in person as I am online :). I felt stupid at first with the illusion that after seeing me in lingerie here that he would hold to his word. I don't know how many times in my life I have heard let's just sleep together and 'just" cuddle, no sex....lol. Learned from that one too! Now I know how men think and I don't put myself in circumstance where they have to lie. So it is hard to relate to the fact that they are all liars when they are just being a guy and being attracted.
All hosts here are approached as you are daily because this is a sex site and we hosts look hot. That is a good reason to NOT pursue friendships here at a personal level if you don't want to have sex with them. On the other hand girls are here to make money so guys need to realize that if a host is telling you things like I want to be your friend or I love you, etc.they see you as another member that they want to keep you coming back. Not that I am accusing you of that at all but so many here do just that. So many members get hurt when they find out that she is also telling others the same thing and has no intention of anything personal. Unfortunately these are the games on a sex site for many and also in real life sometimes.
The only insurance that anyone can have to not get hurt here is to keep your relationships here and virtual and not take it to a personal level and don't believe everything you hear. Doesn't make it ok but it is reality.
You are so annoyed with all here because we don't feel your hurt and hate but just maybe we understand very well and we put it all in a different perspective than you. If you understand the nature of the beast then you can avoid future disappointments and heal from the past. It sounds like your anger is blocking a lot of reality you don't want to hear.
Good luck with getting beyond your hurt and anger and I hope that you never have to experience it again!! Hugs!

All men are pigs! Oink oink

As long as they have the bacon that is good :)

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i always have that problem too im always standing on my head its not my fault tho it always hang out of the bottom of my trousers :)