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behaviour
many members think that they r supermen in CC.if u think that u r supermen in real life it's not surprising that u r alone.......
RE: behaviour
Nah with a name like slutpuppy you probably think of yourself more as UnderDog than Superman. LOL.
RE: behaviour
is sad to see how some members try to pretend they are superior by attempting to correct the english of the chathosts - and much much sadder when the chathost's english was actually correct and the member is not even aware that his difference comes simply from the fact the american spelling of some words is different from the english spelling.
RE: behaviour
As officeboy stated "chathost" just used the UK spelling of the word.All you do is show your ignorance of the world outside of the USA.
RE: behaviour
OMG, you mean there is a world outside the US????
lol, of course I know there is, it's called Mexico, lol
lol, of course I know there is, it's called Mexico, lol
RE: behaviour
Do you really expect me to list every English speaking country and the way they spell behaviour?The point is that it can be spelt more than one way and had the poster not been so insular in his thinking he would have realised that.
RE: behaviour
There's a world outside the good ole US of A? What color is the sky there? Do folks have three heads and stuff?
RE: behaviour
'behavior' looks so illiterate to me but then that comes from conditioning as to what is 'correct'
RE: who wanna marry?
into my 3rd marriage now - I think maybe I got better at it with practice
Chinatown
Walking through Chinatown,a tourist is fascinated with all the Chinese restaurants,shops,signs & banners.He sees a building with the sign"Hans Olafson's Laundry".Odd...
So he walks into the shop & sees an old Chinese gent.The tourist asks"How did this place get a name like'Hans Olafson's Laundry'?"
The old man says"Is name of owner."
The tourist asks"Well,who is the owner?"
"Me."replies the old man.
"You?How did you ever get a name like Hans Olafson?"
"Is simple,"says the old man."Many.many years ago when come to this country,was stand in line at documentation centre.Man in front was big blond Swede.Lady look at him & go 'What your name?' He say 'Hans Olafson.'"
Then she look at me &go"What your name?"
"I say ' Sem Ting"
So he walks into the shop & sees an old Chinese gent.The tourist asks"How did this place get a name like'Hans Olafson's Laundry'?"
The old man says"Is name of owner."
The tourist asks"Well,who is the owner?"
"Me."replies the old man.
"You?How did you ever get a name like Hans Olafson?"
"Is simple,"says the old man."Many.many years ago when come to this country,was stand in line at documentation centre.Man in front was big blond Swede.Lady look at him & go 'What your name?' He say 'Hans Olafson.'"
Then she look at me &go"What your name?"
"I say ' Sem Ting"
RE: Chinatown
Lol! In fact, it was not infrequent that Immigration officials botched someone's name and this became his legal name in America.
An acquaintance of mine tells a true story about a Jewish guy named Ferguson. When asked how he wound up with this Irish name he said, "My grandfather was a German speaker. When he passed through US Immigration there was no German speaker to translate and my grandfather spoke no English. So, when the official asked him, 'Do you speak English?' my grandfather replied in German, 'Ich habe vergessen.' (=I forgot). So, the official heard 'vergessen' and thought my grandfather was saying 'Ferguson.' So, he asks my grandfather, 'Ferguson?', And my grandfather thinking the official understood 'vergessen', said, 'Yes.' So, that's how he got the Irish name."
An acquaintance of mine tells a true story about a Jewish guy named Ferguson. When asked how he wound up with this Irish name he said, "My grandfather was a German speaker. When he passed through US Immigration there was no German speaker to translate and my grandfather spoke no English. So, when the official asked him, 'Do you speak English?' my grandfather replied in German, 'Ich habe vergessen.' (=I forgot). So, the official heard 'vergessen' and thought my grandfather was saying 'Ferguson.' So, he asks my grandfather, 'Ferguson?', And my grandfather thinking the official understood 'vergessen', said, 'Yes.' So, that's how he got the Irish name."
nickname
what used to be Ur nickname or if U still have it...what is it??? ( and I don`t mean the CC nickname, just the way U`r called:D)
RE: nickname
not really a nickname of sorts,just a variation of my real name.everyone has always called me paulie and still does.
RE: nickname
Ohh I've been called sticks or "onion woman" when I was little - my uncle used to make fun of me cuz I was too skiny, he used to say "you r onion woman - take her cloths off and u start crying instantly" =))) - then I grew up and people started calling me princess, cat-woman, fairy, femme fatale or black widow =)))
But I rather you call me by my name or Char, Lotte or Charlotte , thanks a lot :D
But I rather you call me by my name or Char, Lotte or Charlotte , thanks a lot :D
RE: nickname
kate,hun,can i tell here only one and that would be the one ive liked most?Because my real name is Anka-short from Ancutza(by the way my name was choosed by the older sister and broder:D) ppl &friends used to called me different ways but ive liked the most Anky -this one all the dear pers from my life used to call when they were happy in my presence and when they wanned to show me how loved im by them:):):)
RE: nickname
oops i did it again:-S i just missunderstood the post msg
well my nickname one of the hated one was ''little bowl'' cuz of my stupid haircut wich my mom did it to me once:(( i had suffer very much at that time cuz of that most when the boys called me that way(K)
PS kiss the ppl who would not have fun of me now knowing my ''dirty lil secret'':D
well my nickname one of the hated one was ''little bowl'' cuz of my stupid haircut wich my mom did it to me once:(( i had suffer very much at that time cuz of that most when the boys called me that way(K)
PS kiss the ppl who would not have fun of me now knowing my ''dirty lil secret'':D
RE: nickname
I was called PooBear for a long time cause women found me to be cuddly!! I always found it interesting that women that did not know me came up with the same name. Maybe it was the yellow hair!
Of coures now that I am a little older with some digestion issues, I am fat old fart
Of coures now that I am a little older with some digestion issues, I am fat old fart
RE: nickname
nicknames..i had many..fat cunt (still used to this day and so true) cute fucker (though i think that chick was partially blind) and shit head (but thats coz i used to have my head flushed down the loo in high school)
RE: nickname
looooooooooooooooooooooooooool,shy:D:D:D funny enough to give u a kiss even if after ull trow up:Pi still call u aaron lewis dont matter how much ull call me blind needing glasses ....hehehe (by the way can u reply whit my misspleling:))
RE: nickname
vic-my nickname was chaser, thats why I use it here too, I had this nickname every since I was 8 years old, mother started calling me this because I used to run along trains as they passed the house and then the neighbors started calling me chaser. Now I use it here because I'm chasing something else.
Had another nickname when I was in High School some people call me LDD (stood for Long Dick Donnie), although it didnt stick to me very long after a couple of girls seem my tattoo on my penis
Had another nickname when I was in High School some people call me LDD (stood for Long Dick Donnie), although it didnt stick to me very long after a couple of girls seem my tattoo on my penis
RE: nickname
whoooooooooooooooooooo aaaaaaaaaaa don:O:O:O
by the way miss u and kiss u a lot:D
by the way miss u and kiss u a lot:D
RE: nickname
hey anka,, kisses and hugs to you too and vic, the tattoo say's
Chattanooga Choo Choo Express Line, Chattanooga, Tennessee with a train above it--cool
Chattanooga Choo Choo Express Line, Chattanooga, Tennessee with a train above it--cool
girls and guys what would u feel if.....
u found out that the one person u are beginning to like or let say u really like/love is already with his/her own kid,and he/she just tell u when u are ready to propose or something more than that..do u care?....do u feel betrayed or maybe disappointed....?will u begin to forget all abt him/her???? ......:(( or understand her and learn to accept it ??
RE: girls and guys what would u feel if.....
it's fine, no problem - I don't demand a full explanation of her life until I and she are ready to commit -then I tell her about my 3 kids :-)
RE: girls and guys what would u feel if.....
well, i think it all depends - partly on, to what extent i felt i was misled about whether she had a child (as in if we had been chatting for months and growing very close then i would have expected her child to have been mentioned or at least vaguely hinted at) and also whether that meant she also had a current bf/husband (which would again be something you would hope had been mentioned).
basically if you truly love the other person whether they have a child shouldn't really change that much (although it does make things more difficult in the actual relationship - he says from experience!) unless you feel that you have been misled too much (obviously you accept some untruths here - especially when chatting initially - how long have you been working here, whether you are studying or working full time here and don't want to admit it and many more - but some things can become very serious if they are not mentioned for a very very long time after a trust between you has been built up.
sorry for such a rambling post - but had a couple of phone calls half way through and lost the thread a little bit.
good luck anyway - assuming this is your secret
basically if you truly love the other person whether they have a child shouldn't really change that much (although it does make things more difficult in the actual relationship - he says from experience!) unless you feel that you have been misled too much (obviously you accept some untruths here - especially when chatting initially - how long have you been working here, whether you are studying or working full time here and don't want to admit it and many more - but some things can become very serious if they are not mentioned for a very very long time after a trust between you has been built up.
sorry for such a rambling post - but had a couple of phone calls half way through and lost the thread a little bit.
good luck anyway - assuming this is your secret
RE: girls and guys what would u feel if.....
I like to know sooner because it's one thing to be responsible for one other person, but two or three is more challanging. Plus a mom will often put the child #1 in her life and her new husband only #2. Sometimes when there is a question she will ALWAYS trust the child no matter what else. The mom often feels guilty about not having a full family and overcompensates by maikng the child the center of the universe.
The guy must take the mom and kid as a full package. If the kid has an attitude to the step-dad he can ruin th marriage. It can be a difficult balancing act. I have met three hosts and their kids and I can see that I am not compatible with two of the kids.
It's funny because if I rated the 3 hosts the one with the best kid is third on my list of three. She's still very nice, but not at the top.
However, if you MADE me choose one host I would pick the one with the best kid, as long as I still liked the mom a lot.
The thing about a lot of western guys is that they view the marriage as a full partnership, whereas the traditional eastern way is that the women is the cook and bed-partner, not a non-stop life partner. This must also be smoothed out as time goes on.
On the other hand, I know one host that married a member and he told her the kid is always first. The host didn't believe this to be absolute, but it was. He buys the daughter clothes and car and pays for everything for the girl while the wife must work just to buy underwear. The ex-host is now the servant to the daughter and her friends and is treated like a slave by the family.
The guy must take the mom and kid as a full package. If the kid has an attitude to the step-dad he can ruin th marriage. It can be a difficult balancing act. I have met three hosts and their kids and I can see that I am not compatible with two of the kids.
It's funny because if I rated the 3 hosts the one with the best kid is third on my list of three. She's still very nice, but not at the top.
However, if you MADE me choose one host I would pick the one with the best kid, as long as I still liked the mom a lot.
The thing about a lot of western guys is that they view the marriage as a full partnership, whereas the traditional eastern way is that the women is the cook and bed-partner, not a non-stop life partner. This must also be smoothed out as time goes on.
On the other hand, I know one host that married a member and he told her the kid is always first. The host didn't believe this to be absolute, but it was. He buys the daughter clothes and car and pays for everything for the girl while the wife must work just to buy underwear. The ex-host is now the servant to the daughter and her friends and is treated like a slave by the family.
RE: girls and guys what would u feel if.....
If i love him i will love his kids and acept them ofc as my own:)
RE: girls and guys what would u feel if.....
Another funny story.
I know a host from Ukraine who hooked-up with a South American guy and she offered to leave the kid in Europe if the guy didn't want him.
I know a host from Ukraine who hooked-up with a South American guy and she offered to leave the kid in Europe if the guy didn't want him.
RE: girls and guys what would u feel if.....
Well, that is a very honest (albeit also somewhat judgemental and selfish/narrow minded) reply.
RE: girls and guys what would u feel if.....
Could you explain what my mistakes in English were please? Thanks
RE: sale
im not mean,just my opinion,she looks ok,just not the kind of lady i go to see,thats all.
RE: sale
i do really not care about him and "someones".... i can say more i do not care about many many ppl and theirs opinions and words about me :)
im bad, cruel, have my own opinion about every thing and not gonna kiss anyone`s ass for some cash :)
i caring and sweet only with my close friends :)
im bad, cruel, have my own opinion about every thing and not gonna kiss anyone`s ass for some cash :)
i caring and sweet only with my close friends :)
RE: sale
Charlotte I would never take advantage of you, I'm sure you're much to nice for that to happen !!! We're gonna chat soon, be patient lovely lady.
Muahhhh..... Alan.
Muahhhh..... Alan.
RE: sale
Hey- But kate .. your one of the sexiest ladies here ..
so very different to Hypno girl lol..
so very different to Hypno girl lol..
RE: sale
shes in Love & marriage cat, thats why she doesnt do shows, dont be so flamin rude as 2 assume every1 is here 2 perform 4 u. shes a lovely looking lady, lovely pictures. (personally dont blame her 4 not entertaining you. if u want an adult show, go IA, pay the price 4 the show, and dont expect shows in non adult cat.
RE: sale
I never asked for anything adult ..!!!
just was told I dont do shows ..!!!
i see many non adult .. and all have done shows . of 1 kind or another , some just smile some dont even do that lol..
some just ask for $ and walk off screen ,, and u sit there
looking at an empty chair for 30 mins ,,
Just so pleased she let you in her room..
lol..
if your not here to offer something ..
however dull - or uninteresting
then why bother switching on your cam
lets save the planet and stop wasting electric lol..
and there are many here that would really like someone to come and be polite and chat ..
thats all ..
just was told I dont do shows ..!!!
i see many non adult .. and all have done shows . of 1 kind or another , some just smile some dont even do that lol..
some just ask for $ and walk off screen ,, and u sit there
looking at an empty chair for 30 mins ,,
Just so pleased she let you in her room..
lol..
if your not here to offer something ..
however dull - or uninteresting
then why bother switching on your cam
lets save the planet and stop wasting electric lol..
and there are many here that would really like someone to come and be polite and chat ..
thats all ..
RE: sale
shes in Love & marriage cat, and maybe had no affinity with you, and therefore showed you the door in her room, sounds like a straight up host, who isnt going 2 waste any1s time with false promises.
RE: sale
If i want sexy shows i will ask..
and i do got to IA and not shy , and shy ..
i merely asked after making a few compliments , did she show her stomach as she did on her pictures..
NO
and was then rude..
what the F is that about ..
is like a monty python show..
i came here for abuse lol
and i do got to IA and not shy , and shy ..
i merely asked after making a few compliments , did she show her stomach as she did on her pictures..
NO
and was then rude..
what the F is that about ..
is like a monty python show..
i came here for abuse lol
RE: sale
Cecil (K) I'll show you my stomach tomorrow and you can be in open sessions with no problems :) (K)
RE: sale charlotte4U
Thank you !!!!
its a lovely stomach too ,, wow ..
and u even move like a dancer ..
fantastic.!!!!
its a lovely stomach too ,, wow ..
and u even move like a dancer ..
fantastic.!!!!
RE: sale
Good to hear 0.6 is a sensible price,,
I saw you when you were not so hard,., when you were more fun.. and enjoying life more,,
You smiled well ,, and tried to be sexy too.. i enjoyed seeing you.. i prefer more curves myself,, but you seem a nice girl..
wish you luck , hope you get happier again...
I saw you when you were not so hard,., when you were more fun.. and enjoying life more,,
You smiled well ,, and tried to be sexy too.. i enjoyed seeing you.. i prefer more curves myself,, but you seem a nice girl..
wish you luck , hope you get happier again...
RE: Photo Archives
I look till I see a ass photo, If there are none, I usually go to the next profile
Joke: The Man Who Lived Alone on the Prarie
There's this guy who lives alone in a prairie house in a desolate area of the American Great Plains. He has lived a solitary life there for years. One day he is sitting on his porch and a guy pulls up in a truck. He looks at the man sitting on the porch and says, "Howdy neighbor!"
The man on the porch looks at him suspiciously and replies, "Neighbor? I didn't reckon I had any neighbors."
With a friendly reassuring smile, the man answered, "Yeah, neighbor, you see that ridge down yonder? Well, I live just beyond that ridge. And as a matter of fact neighbor, I'm havin' a party this Saturday and I'd be much obliged if you came!"
Now intrigued, the prairie dweller asks, "Oh yeah? What kinda party is it gonna be?"
"Well neighbor, there's gonna be some drinkin'; there's gonna be some fuckin' and there's gonna be some card playin'"
Finally won over, the solitary man responds, "Sounds good to me. What should I wear?"
"You can wear anything you want," the man said with an impish smile, "because it's only gonna be you and me!"
The man on the porch looks at him suspiciously and replies, "Neighbor? I didn't reckon I had any neighbors."
With a friendly reassuring smile, the man answered, "Yeah, neighbor, you see that ridge down yonder? Well, I live just beyond that ridge. And as a matter of fact neighbor, I'm havin' a party this Saturday and I'd be much obliged if you came!"
Now intrigued, the prairie dweller asks, "Oh yeah? What kinda party is it gonna be?"
"Well neighbor, there's gonna be some drinkin'; there's gonna be some fuckin' and there's gonna be some card playin'"
Finally won over, the solitary man responds, "Sounds good to me. What should I wear?"
"You can wear anything you want," the man said with an impish smile, "because it's only gonna be you and me!"
Can you...
...be competitive against a woman, or will you let them win?
...be competitive against a man, cos you know they will win? :p
...be competitive against a man, cos you know they will win? :p
RE: Can you...
I always let a man win, well it depends ofc how much a like him:P If i like him a lot i let him be a winner coz every guy likes it:PPP Besides, i like only winners:)
RE: romanian hosts
Women I know readily concede how vicious women can be toward each other. One host here told me that one of her regular guests told her that another woman, whom the first woman thought was her friend, had been maligning her and telling male guests not to go to her. How malicious!---as if there aren't a sufficient number of guests to go around. And who knows, perhaps this woman could not abide the idea that she might not be THE Queen Bee on CC.
I've always liked H.L. Menken's definition of a misogynist: "A man who hates women as much as women hate each other." lol!
I've always liked H.L. Menken's definition of a misogynist: "A man who hates women as much as women hate each other." lol!
RE: romanian hosts
Usually popular girls get insulted by other girls;)Not on the contrary:P
RE: romanian hosts
it is a shame when any person feels the need to put another down, does not matter why they do it, pettyness, jealousy, or any of that. the simple truth is it is wrong. people need to start learning to treat others better, to treat them how they wish to be treated and not in such negative manners.
RE: romanian hosts
No Charlotte, you are not alone. There are more than just a few folks here that believe as you do.
RE: romanian hosts
I know this may seem anti-romanian, but I have found hosts from this country to be the most critical of other ro. hosts, even to the point of making cruel personal comments in cc and forums. I know of one who rarely hosts but frequently bitches and makes very hurtful, personal remarks about other ro. hosts.
RE: romanian hosts
I am not naming names, so I am not "kicking her pussy". I was just surprised at the vehemence of her actions. She is not the prettiest of the most pleasent conversationalist by any means. She believes she is "superior" to other hosts, she does not like people lying, but freely lies when it suits her purpose. I guess she is here to get her kicks, like most of us.
RE: romanian hosts
One has the impression from this thread that all ro hosts must know each other. That is an unsettling thought. :)
RE: romanian hosts
some ppl lost their sense of humour :-s
U come to comm chat to have fun , dont see anything wrong in teasing..........and didnt notice any insults from romanian hosts so far....sarcasm maybe....but thats smth different...as for criticism...whats wrong with that??? there is a saying" to avoid criticism, do nothing, say nothing, be nothing"....smart ppl should get the jokes and if they feel offenced...should fight back
If I`d get upset everytime hosts/members BS I`d have been dead already
U come to comm chat to have fun , dont see anything wrong in teasing..........and didnt notice any insults from romanian hosts so far....sarcasm maybe....but thats smth different...as for criticism...whats wrong with that??? there is a saying" to avoid criticism, do nothing, say nothing, be nothing"....smart ppl should get the jokes and if they feel offenced...should fight back
If I`d get upset everytime hosts/members BS I`d have been dead already
RE: romanian hosts
start calling people names, people who have only been nice to you kate that is just not right. maybe you find it funny but i am sure you noticed that others did not. some also dont feel the need to fight over such things and it is the better man/woman who avoids such petty fights and takes the high road. maybe you should look at it as a lesson learned. good luck to you !
RE: romanian hosts
huh??? when did I called smb names??? why dont u put ur name here I wonder??
RE: romanian hosts
telling me about learning lessons:)...ok....1st tell me who u really r before acusing me of things I didn`t do....fair enough, don`t u think?
and then u can "throw stones at me"...since that makes u happy
and then u can "throw stones at me"...since that makes u happy
RE: romanian hosts
good point,kate dear!!!noone have right to judge ppl without atleast show who is it ...i mean how its feels to be shut in the dark not knowing even who did it???maybe im overreacting a lil but yes if u wanna acuse and take nice behavior lessons then u must be fair enaugh and asume the responsability of ur identety ...corect???
RE: romanian hosts
girls are funny :) so much effort to just find out who someone is that made a point. why do you care so much? if you think they are wrong, then you move on. but maybe you care so much because you are guilty?
my advice would just to put it behind you and move on with your lives!
my advice would just to put it behind you and move on with your lives!
RE: romanian hosts
i am a guy, not a girl. i choose not to give you my real nick because i do not wish to get abusive mail from anyone, thank you very much.
of course you are welcome to say all you wish, i was just saying it was kind of funny how you appeared to be a bit stressed over it is all.
shall we agree to disagree kate? let this thread end here?
of course you are welcome to say all you wish, i was just saying it was kind of funny how you appeared to be a bit stressed over it is all.
shall we agree to disagree kate? let this thread end here?
RE: romanian hosts
oh sorry:)...stressed?? lol yeah...must be the PMS....as for ending the thread...suit yourself:)
RE: romanian hosts
you, With all due respect, I think you are being rather patronizing here by discounting and trivializing a legitimate grievance. I'm sure you would agree that it is wrong for anyone to hurl insults at another in the first place. But to then have to endure someone who comes anonymously preaching moral lessons about "taking the high road," is a bit presumptous. And coming under an assumed name because you do not want to get "abusive mail" is rather like a cleric wearing a mask while giving a sermon because he fears his high moral tone might provoke the animosity of the rabble who are his congregation.
RE: romanian hosts
"when you," I quite agree that it is wrong to call people names---period!--not just those who have been nice to you. However, unless you are alluding to something that happened outside this thread, I don't see the basis for your comment to Kate. She neither insulted anyone, nor said anything that would suggest this behavior is "funny."
I also agree with you that in many, if not most cases one should take the "high road" and not even dignify such behavior. However, I can understand if someone draws the line somewhere and no longer takes the 'turn the other cheek' position. We need to pick our fights for sure, but I think if somebody is pissing in your face you have a right, some might even say duty to defend yourself from such insult.
I also agree with you that in many, if not most cases one should take the "high road" and not even dignify such behavior. However, I can understand if someone draws the line somewhere and no longer takes the 'turn the other cheek' position. We need to pick our fights for sure, but I think if somebody is pissing in your face you have a right, some might even say duty to defend yourself from such insult.
RE: romanian hosts
because they seem not to be romanian???
oh well....stay away from romanians=))
oh well....stay away from romanians=))
RE: romanian hosts
lol, just keep your money in sight at all times, they will find some way to get it,lol
Another Question About Money
This question came to mind after Angel911's post below, "Men and Money" :
There's an old saying that if you took all the money in a society and divided it equally among every member, within 10 years all the people who originally had all the money would again have it and those that had none would again have none. Do you think this would prove true? Why or why not?
There's an old saying that if you took all the money in a society and divided it equally among every member, within 10 years all the people who originally had all the money would again have it and those that had none would again have none. Do you think this would prove true? Why or why not?
RE: Another Question About Money
I don't know, let's try it and find out. I can tell you one thing for sure though... the people without money right now would be alot happier for at least 10 years.... certainly alot happier than the ones who have all the money right now and who'll have to wait 10 years to MAYBE get all their money back. But be honest, would it really break anybody's heart if guys like Bill Gates had to do without a few hundred billion dollars?
RE: Another Question About Money
Lol Captain! Not sure what Gates is worth on paper these days. I know at the peak of the tech boom, he was worth $90 billion. So, to be conservative, let's say he is worth $50 billion. Assuming a modest 5% return on that figure, it means he would earn $2.5 billion a year in interest. Rounding liberally, that means he would earn about $50 million a week in interest or about $7 million a day!
As regards those unhappy people who had a lot and who now have only an equal share after a redistribution of the wealth, it reminds me--albeit on a much smaller scale, and nothing so radical-- of the various European countries who gave up their national currency and adopted the Euro. It seems to me countries like Germany, whose currency was among the strongest in Western Europe, could only loose. The Deutsch Mark would be diluted. By contrast, the Portuguese Escuado could only gain, since it was one of the weakest currencies. Yet the Germans supported the move. I can only conclude that they thought in the long run, with an expanded market, it would redound to their favor. With their participation, however, they were able to insist that the European Central Bank be located in Germany and I suspect that every country does not have an equal influence in the governance of the Euro as a currency.
When I left Europe in 2001, you could buy a Euro for $0.80. Now, thanks to the Bush Administration's paean to American corporations, his fiscal and monetary policies have driven the dollar into a nose dive against all major world currencies. It now costs about $1.30 to buy one Euro. Bush delivered to his corporate buddies. American goods are now cheaper in foreign markets, but Americans are getting shafted with rising prices for European and other foreign commodities, and taking a vacation in Western Europe is costing American tourists over 50% more than they would have paid with the strong dollar of half-dozen years ago.
As regards the original question, I don't think that the distribution of wealth would return to its original state, but I do believe many of the formerly wealthy would regain their wealth and many of the formerly poor would again be reduced to poverty.
As regards those unhappy people who had a lot and who now have only an equal share after a redistribution of the wealth, it reminds me--albeit on a much smaller scale, and nothing so radical-- of the various European countries who gave up their national currency and adopted the Euro. It seems to me countries like Germany, whose currency was among the strongest in Western Europe, could only loose. The Deutsch Mark would be diluted. By contrast, the Portuguese Escuado could only gain, since it was one of the weakest currencies. Yet the Germans supported the move. I can only conclude that they thought in the long run, with an expanded market, it would redound to their favor. With their participation, however, they were able to insist that the European Central Bank be located in Germany and I suspect that every country does not have an equal influence in the governance of the Euro as a currency.
When I left Europe in 2001, you could buy a Euro for $0.80. Now, thanks to the Bush Administration's paean to American corporations, his fiscal and monetary policies have driven the dollar into a nose dive against all major world currencies. It now costs about $1.30 to buy one Euro. Bush delivered to his corporate buddies. American goods are now cheaper in foreign markets, but Americans are getting shafted with rising prices for European and other foreign commodities, and taking a vacation in Western Europe is costing American tourists over 50% more than they would have paid with the strong dollar of half-dozen years ago.
As regards the original question, I don't think that the distribution of wealth would return to its original state, but I do believe many of the formerly wealthy would regain their wealth and many of the formerly poor would again be reduced to poverty.
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I can invite you for cheap vacation.Just do not expect hotties because it would be the only house in a village.So you have to bring the girl with you if you really want one. About 12 Euros for a night, in the forest, sauna, cheminee, romantic atmosphere.cc mail me only if you are serious.
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<< if you took all the money in a society and divided it equally among every member, within 10 years all the people who originally had all the money would again have it and those that had none would again have none. Do you think this would prove true? >>
Absolutely. Some people will take the money and plan for the future; they'll have a budget, and find ways to invest. On the other hand will be people who will take the money and buy this and that; they won't budget at all and end up with nothing... they might even owe money.
Absolutely. Some people will take the money and plan for the future; they'll have a budget, and find ways to invest. On the other hand will be people who will take the money and buy this and that; they won't budget at all and end up with nothing... they might even owe money.
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People don't get rich by accident... They have bankable skills and character traits, and an understanding of how to manage money and make their money work for them.
By and large, I'd imagine that a hell of a lot of people wouldn't imagine much more to do with their share than blow it.
By and large, I'd imagine that a hell of a lot of people wouldn't imagine much more to do with their share than blow it.
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I agree too that people don't get rich by accident. What's more, people are not dealt the same hand in life. Someone born into a family living in abject poverty, whose parents are uneducated and poorly socialized could not even begin to compete with his contemporaries born to privilege.
However,I do not believe the fiction known as "social darwinism" promoted by the robber barons (Rockefeller, Morgan, Getty, Carnegie, et al.) to justify their ruthless exploitation and dirty dealing that led to their nominal "success." It would be one thing if they had won in a fair competition, but they employed every dirty (and illegal) trick in the book to crush their competition, then promoted this idea that they rose to the top by a sort of 'natural selection,' ' the survival of the fittest' as it were. Horseshit!
I'm all for competition in the marketplace, but FAIR competiton. The anti-trust legislation of Teddy Roosevelt's administration was designed to level the playing field. However, with the mind boggling number of corporate mergers over the past decade, it would appear that Government whores have given their blessing (in exchange for significant campaign contributions of course) to the return of monopolies. Gird your loins for the 'brave new world.'
However,I do not believe the fiction known as "social darwinism" promoted by the robber barons (Rockefeller, Morgan, Getty, Carnegie, et al.) to justify their ruthless exploitation and dirty dealing that led to their nominal "success." It would be one thing if they had won in a fair competition, but they employed every dirty (and illegal) trick in the book to crush their competition, then promoted this idea that they rose to the top by a sort of 'natural selection,' ' the survival of the fittest' as it were. Horseshit!
I'm all for competition in the marketplace, but FAIR competiton. The anti-trust legislation of Teddy Roosevelt's administration was designed to level the playing field. However, with the mind boggling number of corporate mergers over the past decade, it would appear that Government whores have given their blessing (in exchange for significant campaign contributions of course) to the return of monopolies. Gird your loins for the 'brave new world.'
RE: Another Question About Money
You're original question wasn't about ethics. That's a completely different discussion.
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You are right, MT. I gather you come from the strict constructionist school regarding threads? No deviating from the original question? :)
I think allowing the discussion to meandor a bit can bear fruit, as long as the path of thought naturally leads us to a kindred or secondary question that flows from the original. In this case, one could make the argument that an ethical question is implicit in any proposal for a redistribution of the wealth. The aim is equity and the redistribution nominally serves that aim. It also does not seem far afield to ask how, by what means, a relatively small minority came to control a disproportionate amount of the wealth. Thus the ethical question, did the wealthy acquire their wealth by honest or dishonest means?
I think allowing the discussion to meandor a bit can bear fruit, as long as the path of thought naturally leads us to a kindred or secondary question that flows from the original. In this case, one could make the argument that an ethical question is implicit in any proposal for a redistribution of the wealth. The aim is equity and the redistribution nominally serves that aim. It also does not seem far afield to ask how, by what means, a relatively small minority came to control a disproportionate amount of the wealth. Thus the ethical question, did the wealthy acquire their wealth by honest or dishonest means?
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Of course some wealthy people acquired their money in a less-ethical manner, but it's far too easy to use a broad brush and paint all rich people as evil, much the same way some viewers only see Romanian chathosts as scammers, for example. Sure, some people are bad, but most people are not. Or perhaps I am naive. I hope not.
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I agree one should not paint with too broad a brush and I am by no means suggesting all rich people are evil. That would be nonsense. I would, however, make the claim that a significant majority of those who made the great fortunes in oil, banking, steel, railroads, mining, etc., did so by means that were not only dishonest, but often ruthless. Their exploitation of human labor, pushed to the limits of human endurace, was unconscionable! Rockefeller, Carnegie (and his partner, Frick--an even bigger son-of-a-bitch), Morgan and Getty might serve as examples.
And just as I do not assume the rich are evil, I do not assume the poor are meek and mild. As Getty himself quipped, "The meek might inherit the earth, but not the mineral rights." lol!
And just as I do not assume the rich are evil, I do not assume the poor are meek and mild. As Getty himself quipped, "The meek might inherit the earth, but not the mineral rights." lol!
RE: Another Question About Money
And Gates does not do illegal things. He finesses the system. He dumpster-dives the source code for DOS and puts MS- in front of it. He reverse-engineers MAC to make Windows.
When other programs are better than his he out-markets them or simply buys them. Rather than develop his own products he hires programmers to graft them into his systems.
Is he illegal? Unethical? Cheap?
When other programs are better than his he out-markets them or simply buys them. Rather than develop his own products he hires programmers to graft them into his systems.
Is he illegal? Unethical? Cheap?
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I agree the modern era is a different world than that of the robber barons, and I think on balance Gates has been honest and for the most part ethical in his business dealings. However, I'm sure some of his competitors who have filed suit against Microsoft for certain unfair practices might not be so willing to say that Gates has always behaved ethically. And in many of these cases the Courts have agreed.
Having said that, I would never compare Gates to the robber barons. Guys like Rockefeller paid guys to pull up rail lines to derail the cars carrying the oil his competitors were shipping. And that was one of his more venial down and dirty tactics!
Having said that, I would never compare Gates to the robber barons. Guys like Rockefeller paid guys to pull up rail lines to derail the cars carrying the oil his competitors were shipping. And that was one of his more venial down and dirty tactics!
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<<The aim is equity and the redistribution nominally serves that aim.>>
BTW, I don't think equity is possible under any form of government... it's a pipe dream.
BTW, I don't think equity is possible under any form of government... it's a pipe dream.
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Here too I agree with you. Even the authors of various utopian societies (e.g. Plato's Republic) did not propose a simple equity like the case here. It's neither possible nor desirable.
An enlightened society would be one in which everyone has a contribution to make, but not each of these contributions is of equal worth. It's clear we need people to do janitorial work, but no reasonable person would suggest this work, while necessary, is of equal value as that of a skilled surgeon, for example. I think Aristotle helps here. He says, "True equality consists of treating unequal things unequally."
An enlightened society would be one in which everyone has a contribution to make, but not each of these contributions is of equal worth. It's clear we need people to do janitorial work, but no reasonable person would suggest this work, while necessary, is of equal value as that of a skilled surgeon, for example. I think Aristotle helps here. He says, "True equality consists of treating unequal things unequally."
dazzling us with BS once again
"did the wealthy acquire their wealth by honest or dishonest means"
You don't like the direction af the original question because you don't like the answer? Again?
You don't like the direction af the original question because you don't like the answer? Again?
RE: dazzling us with BS once again
Accountant, Nonsense! First off, what answer is it you say I don't like? And whatever that might be show me the evidence for your claim. I did not endorse the redistribution.
It's bad enough that you ascribe to me a position I am not taking, but that you have to then resort to a personal attack, as evidenced by the title of your post, is beneath contempt. The Economist too ascribed a position to me that I am not taking*, but unlike you he remained a gentleman. We can all disagree with one another and debate the merits of ideas, but personal attacks are terribly undignified. I'm not here to sling mud. I'm here to discuss ideas.
By the way, you presume to know what I think about the answer(s), but I don't recall seeing you offering yours. I guess you were distracted with a more personal agenda.
*If you care to know the position I am really taking, read my reply to The Economist below.
It's bad enough that you ascribe to me a position I am not taking, but that you have to then resort to a personal attack, as evidenced by the title of your post, is beneath contempt. The Economist too ascribed a position to me that I am not taking*, but unlike you he remained a gentleman. We can all disagree with one another and debate the merits of ideas, but personal attacks are terribly undignified. I'm not here to sling mud. I'm here to discuss ideas.
By the way, you presume to know what I think about the answer(s), but I don't recall seeing you offering yours. I guess you were distracted with a more personal agenda.
*If you care to know the position I am really taking, read my reply to The Economist below.
RE: Another Question About Money
What government has as its aim "equity and the redistribution" of the wealth of its people? Better yet, what government even comes close to that?
And even better, what makes you think this is a useful and even possible goal? You will need a security system that makes Taliban look like Boy Scouts to monitor it. And even in that case the leadership has always maintains it's own comfort level.
The true western ideal can be described as equality of opportunity, but at some point all strings must be cut and you stand or fall on your own. This is the way of western individualism. If this was a bad thing we would not be the magnet to the people of the world. If this was a bad thing capitalism would have fallen to communism.
And even better, what makes you think this is a useful and even possible goal? You will need a security system that makes Taliban look like Boy Scouts to monitor it. And even in that case the leadership has always maintains it's own comfort level.
The true western ideal can be described as equality of opportunity, but at some point all strings must be cut and you stand or fall on your own. This is the way of western individualism. If this was a bad thing we would not be the magnet to the people of the world. If this was a bad thing capitalism would have fallen to communism.
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Economist, I'm afraid you are putting words in my mouth. I never said that any Government has or should have this as its aim. I simply said that this hypothetical case has equity as its aim in the literal sense: The collective wealth is gathered and redistributed. I never endorsed this as a desirable end.
It is clear from your question--"What makes you think this is a useful and even possible goal?"--that you are ascribing to me a position that I am not taking. Nowhere did I say that. In fact if you read my exchanges with Master Tech midway through the thread you will see I am saying quite the opposite.
The fact that I am critical of the Robber Barons does not make me an enemy of Capitalism, or an apologist for Communism. I agree with Churchill who said, "The inherent vice of Capitalism is an unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."
That said, even if Capitalism is the best system one might have as a model, it does not mean it is without flaws and it certainly does not mean it should be regarded as a golden calf to be worshipped and never criticized. There will always be those who will behave in a corrupt way if they are not checked. And frankly, there is no country that is a completely free-market system of laissez-faire Capitalism. Many things---like public transportation---must be subsidized. And there is an enormous amount of corporate welfare which collectively dwarfs the "welfare" for social programs that staunch conservatives like to condemn---especially the Christian Right, who apparently have forgotten the Christian dispensation of caring for the needy.
It is clear from your question--"What makes you think this is a useful and even possible goal?"--that you are ascribing to me a position that I am not taking. Nowhere did I say that. In fact if you read my exchanges with Master Tech midway through the thread you will see I am saying quite the opposite.
The fact that I am critical of the Robber Barons does not make me an enemy of Capitalism, or an apologist for Communism. I agree with Churchill who said, "The inherent vice of Capitalism is an unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."
That said, even if Capitalism is the best system one might have as a model, it does not mean it is without flaws and it certainly does not mean it should be regarded as a golden calf to be worshipped and never criticized. There will always be those who will behave in a corrupt way if they are not checked. And frankly, there is no country that is a completely free-market system of laissez-faire Capitalism. Many things---like public transportation---must be subsidized. And there is an enormous amount of corporate welfare which collectively dwarfs the "welfare" for social programs that staunch conservatives like to condemn---especially the Christian Right, who apparently have forgotten the Christian dispensation of caring for the needy.
RE: Another Question About Money
I've seen stories about people that made millions fast (Mike Tyson, Mc Hammer, lottery winners, etc) and then you hear about how they broke or filling for bankruptcy. For some folks and money their motto should be "easy come...easy go".
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Indeed. Do you remember the US Heavyweight Boxing Champion, Leon Spinks? His reign as champion was short lived, but I believe he had earned $7 million in prize money. He made a conspicuous display of his new-found wealth. I seem to recall 4 Mercedes, etc, etc. To the point, he was broke within 18 months.
not only that...
How many big lottery winners piss away their money and are in debt before the end?
The experiment mentioned will, on the whole, prove true. I would say 90-95% would be back where they began, without much trouble, no matter how much you gave them.
Social Darwinism works, whether we want it to or not. I. for one, am NOT an entrepeneur at heart. I am a wage-slave. Give me a 40-hour a week job that pays well and I am in my element.
If I ever did fall into riches as a lottery or inheritance I would have to build the construct of a 40-hour job through trusts, etc to manage my life well.
The experiment mentioned will, on the whole, prove true. I would say 90-95% would be back where they began, without much trouble, no matter how much you gave them.
Social Darwinism works, whether we want it to or not. I. for one, am NOT an entrepeneur at heart. I am a wage-slave. Give me a 40-hour a week job that pays well and I am in my element.
If I ever did fall into riches as a lottery or inheritance I would have to build the construct of a 40-hour job through trusts, etc to manage my life well.
RE: not only that...
There are a few things besides spending habits that determine who stays rich and who stays poor. One of the biggest is tax rates, rich people and business owners have infinitely more tax write-offs than wage earners and only pay pennies on the dollar compared to their wage earner counterparts. Those with less money are also charged more for things such as, insurance, loans, and medical than rich people are because they are labeled financial risks which makes their cost of living considerably higher when compared dollar for dollar. Then you have to consider how much rich people are also given things for free... shoes, suits, gowns, expensive jewelry, cars, exercise equipment, free meals & drinks, hotel accommodations, trips etc. by companies wanting to associate their products with rich and famous people for advertisement. It adds up quickly and saves rich people thousands of dollars that average working people have to purchase themselves at full price. So even with good budgeting skills and being a smart shopper, average joe wage earner is still playing against a stacked deck and his cost of living is going to be higher then his rich counterpart.
RE: not only that...
Well said Captain. It has been said more than once that a rich man's chauffer might be paying more in taxes than his rich employer. I remember reading in the Wall Street Journal about the widow of Dodge, the automaker. He willed his wife $100 million. As she was up in years her financial advisor suggested she put all of it in a certain class of tax-free Federal bonds that yielded 5%. Thus she was getting $5 million per year in interest and not paying a penny in taxes. Not that she should have to. The same terms are granted to any purchaser. It just seems unfair that she should pay $0 on her income and every working stiff that works for her, from her driver, gardner, cook, et al., has to pay thousands of dollars in taxes.
RE: not only that...
Unfair?
She loaned the government $100 million for Christ's sake! Whatever the chauffer is paying the government in taxes is virtually nothing in comparison!
She loaned the government $100 million for Christ's sake! Whatever the chauffer is paying the government in taxes is virtually nothing in comparison!
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I won't tell here what ive done but I did smth that i think is the craziest thing in the world))So im the bravest:P
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Trust a complete stranger with my heart,someone on cc. She did break it, but bravery does not mean success.
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Bravest thing I did was when I came and chattted to you !!! But you were really very nice to me and I will come and chat again when my credit card recovers from the doldrums !!!!!!..Promise... Muahhh.... Alan
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hmm to travel all alone in holland for one month without to know someone ouchhh i spend thousds euros heheheh but was fun lekker GEIL netherlands jogens snif snif . crazy huh
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I travelled in DDR, Poland and Czechoslovakia alone in a rental car during the days of Chernobyl.
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you broke my heart...for the last time, i can't forgive you..
but i'll never forget you...:(
but i'll never forget you...:(
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what is life if there isn't something to live for...
what is death if there isn't something to die for...
what is death if there isn't something to die for...
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hmm well I don't have that many years left but I don't need a reason to die, it will just happen. Don't wanna gooooooooooooooooooooo! :-(((
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Better not to have one to begin with. Living beyond your means without savings is scariest thing of all if you have the brains to realize your prediciment. I don't want to work only to give the bank all my paycheck and more.
i define bravery as...
doing something that if puts anothers life before your own
regardless of what will happen to yourself and the consiqueses
of your decision, so i feel the bravest thing i have done is..
to be a father.
regardless of what will happen to yourself and the consiqueses
of your decision, so i feel the bravest thing i have done is..
to be a father.
RE: i define bravery as...
im in same boat with u,john,but....ive already told u that,huh?
(K)(K)(K)(L)
(K)(K)(K)(L)
RE: i wanna hear
Moving to a foreign country. I'm from the US, but I lived and worked in France for two years. Before it became a reality I never thought of it as a big deal, but a new job, a new country, a new language, a new apartment, new sytem of weights and measures, a new medical system---well, it was rather scary at first. However, before long I settled in and now count these two years in Paris among the best in my life! Vive la France!
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I did the same, but I still can't see myself being brave for doing that... hmm...
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I think you should consider yourself brave, or at least courageous for what you did.
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Ah, perfect..so you would like to hear people speaking French around you..that is great to know.
Contact me, please.Bisous
Contact me, please.Bisous
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I have stepped in a couple times when someone has been attacked and chased the attacker away, or made them stop, at least. I chased a shoplifter several times, even though they are larger than me. I tackled one and held him until police arrived, then they let me cuff and put him in the car and arrest him myself. When we were young, me and my friends got in argument with another group. One pulled a knife and I told him I would take it from him and shove it up his ass sideways....he left....quickly. Once a ladies car almost fell off a cliff...I got inside it while it's on the edge...and brought it back on the road (for that I was most scared...it could have gone over and there's nothing i can do but take the ride down!)
But that's all I can think of now.
But that's all I can think of now.
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i could say look in the mirror but then others have to look at me too.really i'm a police officer but my friend who is a fireman is the bravest person i know.
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took a bullet in my chest to save my bf...since then I got this nickname " bullet nipples" (uzi) dont mind it though:D
to Someone
1st. - i do not have membership on CC :)
2nd. - four short questions is my style? you are so attentive and acute psychologist so you can say from this post that this is me?
3d. - i feel so sorry for you :) are you so unfortunate that you do not have your own life and anything else to do? :)
Godd luck sweetie :P
2nd. - four short questions is my style? you are so attentive and acute psychologist so you can say from this post that this is me?
3d. - i feel so sorry for you :) are you so unfortunate that you do not have your own life and anything else to do? :)
Godd luck sweetie :P
Congratulations Wales
Well done Wales on banning smoking in enclosed public spaces. Scotland has already banned smoking, Northern Ireland to follow on 30 April but England have to wait until 1 July!!
Bring it on!!!
Bring it on!!!
RE: Congratulations Wales
yeayyy
hook them on addictive drugs, raise prices higher an higher
then ban them from feeding thier habit
hook them on addictive drugs, raise prices higher an higher
then ban them from feeding thier habit
RE: Congratulations Wales
yes, the hypocrisy of politicians - now, if only we could ban those damn gum chewers from spitting it out on the pavements!
RE: Congratulations Wales
eww yeah gum on pavements is disgustin, how about stopping men from gobbing on the street 2, ruff
RE: Congratulations Wales
Does chewing gum and "gobbing" affect the health of those in close proximity? I don't think so.
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Hmm is a difficult question.Ofc if he earns money he has less time for u coz he is busy and he earns it for the 2 of u, for ur future. U have to understand it and accept it.If u love him of course. The main thing is that u know he loves u and doesn't cheat u with some one. I think u have to be a lil more patient:) Good luck)
RE: men and money
Hmmm its the same for some women too not only for men..Anyway i dont liek this kind of ppl that change their behaviour just bcs they got some money in their wallet...
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Some cultures (and some men) have a list in life.
1 - get education/job
2 - get girlfriend
3 - get promotions
4 - get married
5 - but apartment
6 - have kids
7 - get girlfriend
In fact, a guy in supposed to have girlfriends when he is married or his friends laugh at him. The wife is only there to keep house and be mom/cook. He has fun with his friends and girlfriends while wife sits at home and waits.
Maybe your boyfriend has this list, as well.
1 - get education/job
2 - get girlfriend
3 - get promotions
4 - get married
5 - but apartment
6 - have kids
7 - get girlfriend
In fact, a guy in supposed to have girlfriends when he is married or his friends laugh at him. The wife is only there to keep house and be mom/cook. He has fun with his friends and girlfriends while wife sits at home and waits.
Maybe your boyfriend has this list, as well.
RE: men and money
Men,women..doesn't matter. Money can change people. You get some,you want more,you turn into a self-infatuated prick,you get to think you deserve everything and that it should be given to you,just like that.
That's how sometimes things go. But,in your case,if you feel neglected,lonely,depressed,sad,mad whatever ..why don't you talk to him about it ? And if that will fail,why don't you leave him ? Bottom line,it doesn't matter what in money made him change,there could be a million reasons to be mentioned,but the fact he changed should tell you something.
That's how sometimes things go. But,in your case,if you feel neglected,lonely,depressed,sad,mad whatever ..why don't you talk to him about it ? And if that will fail,why don't you leave him ? Bottom line,it doesn't matter what in money made him change,there could be a million reasons to be mentioned,but the fact he changed should tell you something.
RE: men and money
Alias, While there are many men and women in America that continue to subscribe to the old tradition, American thinking as a whole has changed quite a bit. Many women have careers now and are in the professions that had long been exclusively male. I recently read a statistic that now the percentage of women attending law school has exceeded that of men---not by much (I think it was 51-52%), but in light of the fact that a half century ago there were very few women attorneys or judges, it is remarkable. The number of women in medicine and the sciences is also significant.
There is still not wage equality in all lines of work, but women are now a significant presence in the board rooms of corporations, politics and higher education. In fact, Harvard University--America's oldest university--just appointed its first female president since its founding in 1636. It only took 371 years (lol!), but the fact that it happened when even 20-30 years ago no one could have imagined it would, is remarkable.
There is still not wage equality in all lines of work, but women are now a significant presence in the board rooms of corporations, politics and higher education. In fact, Harvard University--America's oldest university--just appointed its first female president since its founding in 1636. It only took 371 years (lol!), but the fact that it happened when even 20-30 years ago no one could have imagined it would, is remarkable.
RE: men and money
I too am a defender of equal rights. But I also recognize that there is nothing wrong with a woman staying at home to raise the children. Indeed it is honorable, but a woman should do this as a matter of free choice and not because her husbnd wants her to stay at home.
When you say, "MOST of us USA men," do you really think that over 50% of American men feel this way? (Btw, were you born in the US? I ask because your English does not strike me as that of a native speaker.)
When you say, "MOST of us USA men," do you really think that over 50% of American men feel this way? (Btw, were you born in the US? I ask because your English does not strike me as that of a native speaker.)
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if she was a native english speaker she would be from england,not usa.there they speak pidgin english.(laughing)
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Lol Seldom! Yes, it sometimes seems British English and American English are two different languages. What was Churchill's remark, something like, "Britain and America are two countries separated by the same language." ? 'Cheers.' ! :)
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Hey!! your english is better than 50%.Might be as good as mine & its my first & only one.never could pass it at school!
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alias, See my P.S. above. I misread your post; thought you were from the US. Rest assured I am not critical of your English even if it is less than perfect. In fact, I admire anyone who learns a second (or third or fourth...) language. Americans are famously bad at speaking foreign languages. In fact, most people from anglophone countries are less accomplished at foreign languages than their European counterparts. Since English has become the global lingua franca, people don't place a high premium on learning a second language.
Learning a second language is very rewarding and one learns a great deal about one's own language as a result of studying another. In fact, the German poet Goethe said, "Wer fremde Sprache nicht kennt, weiss nicht von seiner eigenen." ("He that does not know a foreign language, knows nothing of his own.")
Learning a second language is very rewarding and one learns a great deal about one's own language as a result of studying another. In fact, the German poet Goethe said, "Wer fremde Sprache nicht kennt, weiss nicht von seiner eigenen." ("He that does not know a foreign language, knows nothing of his own.")
P.S. Sorry, misreading on my part
Alias, Sorry, I see now you had written "Most of usa men," and I thought you had written, "Most of US usa men."
"we no have stay home with child"
Yes, hire strangers to raise your children if you have no heart for it.
RE: men and money
alias, how do you know what most men in America want? hmmm? Just because ONE American man said something to you in chat last week suddenly you now have incite into the minds of EVERY American man and know what they want? Come on, let's be a little realistic here and not blow things out of proportion. You do not know what most American men want, anymore than you know what most men from your own country want. And trust me, you don't have to preach to American men about a woman's right to work... we've been hearing it from feminists in America for decades... it's nothing new.
But since you seems so bitter and angry about this, explain this reality to me..... a man and a woman are married, both have jobs and they decide they want to have children.... who raises the kids? nannies? day-care? strangers?
and let me tell you something else alias, i am truly sick and tired of hearing feminists spouting their crap about women being empowered and needing to have big careers and looking down upon women who choose to be stay at home moms and raise their own children. my own mother was a stay at home mom and i will tell u that it was far more important and rewarding to her than any job could have been.
and another thing, a survey a couple years ago in the US showed that the majority of teenage girls in the US wanted to get married and be stay at home mom's rather than pursue careers. their reasoning for it was.... they came from homes where both the mother and father had careers and they spent most of their childhood in day-care or with babysitters while their parents worked and they wanted a better life for their own children.
But since you seems so bitter and angry about this, explain this reality to me..... a man and a woman are married, both have jobs and they decide they want to have children.... who raises the kids? nannies? day-care? strangers?
and let me tell you something else alias, i am truly sick and tired of hearing feminists spouting their crap about women being empowered and needing to have big careers and looking down upon women who choose to be stay at home moms and raise their own children. my own mother was a stay at home mom and i will tell u that it was far more important and rewarding to her than any job could have been.
and another thing, a survey a couple years ago in the US showed that the majority of teenage girls in the US wanted to get married and be stay at home mom's rather than pursue careers. their reasoning for it was.... they came from homes where both the mother and father had careers and they spent most of their childhood in day-care or with babysitters while their parents worked and they wanted a better life for their own children.
RE: men and money
Captain, I pressed Alias on this question too. "Most," I asked? (i.e. over 50%?). She did amend her answer to 40%, but I have the distinct impression this is simply an opinion Alias has formed based on an impression and hardly a demographic study! lol!
The whole issue of sexual politics is complicated and its history is as old as mankind itself. In fact, Marx said the the first division of labor was with the first man and woman.
As I told Alias, I'm in support of equal rights, but I see nothing wrong in a woman staying home to raise children. Indeed it is honorable. But this should be the woman's choice to do so and not simply bercause her husband does not want her to work. And certainly a couple should discuss what expectations they each have in regard of this question.
Finally, here's a feminist "light bulb" joke for you:
Q: (to feminist): How many feminists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: (feminist): I don't think that's very funny.
I know not all feminists are of the same disposition, but there is a certain kind of feminist who is completely humorless. One that I reserve special dislike for is a woman named Andrea Dworken. She is a shrill, ungainly anti-porn crusader. It is not because of her anti-porn campaign that I dislike her, but because she has an unabashed hatred for men that she gives voice to at every opportunity. She wrote a book titled "Take Back the Night." The first two sentences of the book are: "Men love death. Everything they touch turns to death." Amazingly, she has a boyfriend! However, this guy looks like a castrated tomcat. I think she keeps his balls under lock and key and lets him put them on when she needs to be "serviced." What could possibly motivate a man to hook up with such a horrible person?!!
The whole issue of sexual politics is complicated and its history is as old as mankind itself. In fact, Marx said the the first division of labor was with the first man and woman.
As I told Alias, I'm in support of equal rights, but I see nothing wrong in a woman staying home to raise children. Indeed it is honorable. But this should be the woman's choice to do so and not simply bercause her husband does not want her to work. And certainly a couple should discuss what expectations they each have in regard of this question.
Finally, here's a feminist "light bulb" joke for you:
Q: (to feminist): How many feminists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: (feminist): I don't think that's very funny.
I know not all feminists are of the same disposition, but there is a certain kind of feminist who is completely humorless. One that I reserve special dislike for is a woman named Andrea Dworken. She is a shrill, ungainly anti-porn crusader. It is not because of her anti-porn campaign that I dislike her, but because she has an unabashed hatred for men that she gives voice to at every opportunity. She wrote a book titled "Take Back the Night." The first two sentences of the book are: "Men love death. Everything they touch turns to death." Amazingly, she has a boyfriend! However, this guy looks like a castrated tomcat. I think she keeps his balls under lock and key and lets him put them on when she needs to be "serviced." What could possibly motivate a man to hook up with such a horrible person?!!
RE: men and money
Well in Romania in most of the families both parents work and they work long hours. Kids go to school, stay out and have fun with friends - or in the house in front of the computer - and nobody has any problems with it.
And guess what? For me - and for many women like me - staying at home and rasing the kids, depending on a man's money and will to give me some when I need is not as rewarding as it seems to be for you or your mom. Why should I wait for a man to give me money when I need tampons, a cake, a bikini or god knows what else? Why would I be only the wife who sits at home, takes care of the kids, cleans, cooks and awaits her husband to come from work or hookers? There is absolutely nothing rewarding about that! And believe me, I tried it - without the kids part - and I never was happy! The only moments when I was happy and felt rewarded for my work and felt good was when I was running a business and working on CC and going to Uni too. The more things I can do at once, the better I feel.
And, as I said, there r many women like me, that can't stand to be financially supported by their husbands or bf's. And do you know why? Because the males usually become assholes in situations like these. They think they deserve everything for the simple reason that they work and bring the money in the house. They consider tyding and cooking and taking care of kids a piece of cake comparing to their work. Believe me, I rather run an international company - with all the risks it takes to do that - than to cook and clean and take care of kids all day long!
Now don't get me wrong: I love kids and taking care of them and I hope I'll have 2 or 3 at some point in life, but I will make sure the career and family will work out good with each other, not interfere in a bad sense. Because it can be done: you can have a career and a family if you really want it!
And guess what? For me - and for many women like me - staying at home and rasing the kids, depending on a man's money and will to give me some when I need is not as rewarding as it seems to be for you or your mom. Why should I wait for a man to give me money when I need tampons, a cake, a bikini or god knows what else? Why would I be only the wife who sits at home, takes care of the kids, cleans, cooks and awaits her husband to come from work or hookers? There is absolutely nothing rewarding about that! And believe me, I tried it - without the kids part - and I never was happy! The only moments when I was happy and felt rewarded for my work and felt good was when I was running a business and working on CC and going to Uni too. The more things I can do at once, the better I feel.
And, as I said, there r many women like me, that can't stand to be financially supported by their husbands or bf's. And do you know why? Because the males usually become assholes in situations like these. They think they deserve everything for the simple reason that they work and bring the money in the house. They consider tyding and cooking and taking care of kids a piece of cake comparing to their work. Believe me, I rather run an international company - with all the risks it takes to do that - than to cook and clean and take care of kids all day long!
Now don't get me wrong: I love kids and taking care of them and I hope I'll have 2 or 3 at some point in life, but I will make sure the career and family will work out good with each other, not interfere in a bad sense. Because it can be done: you can have a career and a family if you really want it!
RE: men and money
Wow... Charlotte !!!
You are a great woman... and proud like most of romanian girls... :)
I'm a man, and I totaly agree with you...
But don't forget that most of the people here, are just considering woman as a sexual object or a servant, and that's why they are chating in those sites (for sex) and they are not doing their home work... :)
Don't generalyze, Charlotte. In my country, and in other occidental countries, they are many good guys, who are now at work or are taking care of the children, when their wife are working, with a very rewarding job.
All is only a question of balance within the couple... and mutual respect of each other. And in a couple, we can share all our pains and our happiness, without trying to dominate the other.
We are not in a master/slave relation : we are just different and we must all do our part of the home work, for the benefice of each other, for the benefice of the couple and for the benefice of the children.
By the way, I wish you success in your private AND in your professionnal life... :)
You are a great woman... and proud like most of romanian girls... :)
I'm a man, and I totaly agree with you...
But don't forget that most of the people here, are just considering woman as a sexual object or a servant, and that's why they are chating in those sites (for sex) and they are not doing their home work... :)
Don't generalyze, Charlotte. In my country, and in other occidental countries, they are many good guys, who are now at work or are taking care of the children, when their wife are working, with a very rewarding job.
All is only a question of balance within the couple... and mutual respect of each other. And in a couple, we can share all our pains and our happiness, without trying to dominate the other.
We are not in a master/slave relation : we are just different and we must all do our part of the home work, for the benefice of each other, for the benefice of the couple and for the benefice of the children.
By the way, I wish you success in your private AND in your professionnal life... :)
RE: men and money
I have had money and then not had ..
I dont think i changed ..
maybe lost a bit of confidence..
But more so - others changed towards me far more ..
amazing how some " friends" move away .. and don't come by when your not so rich ...
Are always "nice" guys ..= rich ??
I think not ....
but it also seems there are many here that seem to say so..
I dont think i changed ..
maybe lost a bit of confidence..
But more so - others changed towards me far more ..
amazing how some " friends" move away .. and don't come by when your not so rich ...
Are always "nice" guys ..= rich ??
I think not ....
but it also seems there are many here that seem to say so..
RE: men and money
In *general* the man is the hunter and, in *general* the woman is the nurturer
"most of the people here, are just considering woman as a sexual object "
In general, it's true.
RE: men and money
Is that the wqay you think it works? The man gives money dollar by dollar as requested? No. The family agrees on a budget for the month. They pay all the big bills rent, gas, phone, etc. They put some into savings/investment. Then normal expenses like food, petrol, tampons, etc. Then each gets a certain amount of pocket money for their hobbies or eating out or extra clothes. How else do you suggest that it is done?
RE: men and money
It is American men that want an equal life partner. It is the East European guy that wants the wife plus a couple extra girlfriends.
RE: men and money
maybe he became more like a supervisor or manager. You needed to tell him you are not his worker, you are his gf. He needed to seperate his work from his daily life.
RE: men and money
Angel, Money affects people in different ways. For some, money is an end in itself, not a means to some greater good. Then there are those who do not have a very good sense of themselves (no clear identity) and such people often define themselves by how much money they make. Their whole sense of self is predicated on money. The danger here, of course, is that if they loose their money, their sense of self-worth is diminished.
Money is often difficult to handle for people who had little before and suddenly come into it. These are the so-called "nouveau rich." It is quite common for such people to make a conspicuous display of their new found wealth by buying fancy cars, expensive clothing, flashy jewelry, etc. One of the most extreme cases I can think of is that of an American Heavyweight Boxing champion named Leon Spinks. He did not hold the tilte long, but he earned, I believe it was $7 million in winnings. He then bought something like 4 Mercedes, an outrageous amount of expensive clothes. He wined and dined the women, etc. And within 18 months he had no money.
There is an old saying that if you took all the money in a given society and divided it up equally, within ten years all the people that had the money would have it again and all those who had none would again have none. I don't believe that would happen--or certainly not altogether--but it is interesting to think about.
Money is often difficult to handle for people who had little before and suddenly come into it. These are the so-called "nouveau rich." It is quite common for such people to make a conspicuous display of their new found wealth by buying fancy cars, expensive clothing, flashy jewelry, etc. One of the most extreme cases I can think of is that of an American Heavyweight Boxing champion named Leon Spinks. He did not hold the tilte long, but he earned, I believe it was $7 million in winnings. He then bought something like 4 Mercedes, an outrageous amount of expensive clothes. He wined and dined the women, etc. And within 18 months he had no money.
There is an old saying that if you took all the money in a given society and divided it up equally, within ten years all the people that had the money would have it again and all those who had none would again have none. I don't believe that would happen--or certainly not altogether--but it is interesting to think about.
RE: men and money
Hmm is a difficult question.Ofc if he earns money he has less time for u coz he is busy and he earns it for the 2 of u, for ur future. U have to understand it and accept it.If u love him of course. The main thing is that u know he loves u and doesn't cheat u with some one. I think u have to be a lil more patient:) Good luck)
RE: Can you...
Well... assuming you mean booze... that wud be no! those bastards drink daily, its like tap water to em!
RE: Can you...
Being less than 3ft tall, I'm already under the table!!!
However, the goodside is, when completely drunk, I have less distance to fall!!!
However, the goodside is, when completely drunk, I have less distance to fall!!!
RE: Can you...
As drunk as we got sometimes, I'm sure we were drinking while under the table.
BTW Nice to see your questions elevating to a more mature level.
BTW Nice to see your questions elevating to a more mature level.
RE: Can you...
People are quick to give you criticism, rather than be more suggestive. Your comments taken aboard my friend, I shall enlighten you further in a good way one hopes :D
goodnight
goodnight to all and ladies dont take any wooden nickles take credit cards only and this is for shy in your next dream try to cum in her ears,, it works,, trust me on that one--okie dokie
Ireland Declares War on France
Ireland Declares War on France
Jacques Chirac, the French President, is sitting in his office when his telephone rings.
"Hallo, Mr. Chirac!" a heavily accented voice said. “This is Paddy down at the Harp Pub in County Mayo, Ireland. I am ringing you to inform you that we are officially declaring war on you and your country."
"Well, Paddy," Chirac replied, "This is indeed important news! How big is your army?"
"Right now," says Paddy, after a moment's calculation, "there is myself, me Cousin Sean, me next-door neighbor Seamus, and the entire darts team from the pub. That makes eight!"
Chirac paused, "I must tell you, Paddy, that I have 100,000 men in my army, waiting to move on my command."
"Begoora!" says Paddy, "I'll have to ring you back."
Sure enough, the next day, Paddy calls again, "Mr. Chirac, the war is still on. We have managed to get us some infantry equipment!"
"And what equipment would that be, Paddy?" Chirac asks. "Well, we have two combines, a bulldozer, and Murphy's farm tractor."
Chirac sighs, amused, "I must tell you, Paddy, that I have 6,000 tanks and 5,000 armored personnel carriers. Also, I have increased my army to 150,000 since we last spoke." "Saints preserve us!" says Paddy, "I'll have to get back to you."
Sure enough, Paddy rings again the next day. "Mr. Chirac, the war's still on! We've managed to get ourselves airborne. We've modified Jackie McLaughlin's ultra-light with a couple of shotguns in the cockpit, and four boys from the Shamrock Bar have joined us, as well!"
Chirac was silent for a minute and then cleared his throat. "I must tell you, Paddy, that I have 100 bombers and 200 fighter planes. My military bases are surrounded by laser-guided, surface-to-air missile sites. And since we last spoke, I have increased my army to 200,000!"
"Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!" says Paddy, "I'll have to ring you back."
Sure enough, Paddy calls again the next day. "Top o' the mornin', Mr. Chirac, I'm sorry to inform you that we've had to call off the war."
"Really? I'm sorry to hear that," says Chirac. "Why the sudden change of heart?"
"Well," says Paddy, "We had a long chat over a few pints of Guinness, and decided there's no fookin' way we can feed 200,000 prisoners!
Jacques Chirac, the French President, is sitting in his office when his telephone rings.
"Hallo, Mr. Chirac!" a heavily accented voice said. “This is Paddy down at the Harp Pub in County Mayo, Ireland. I am ringing you to inform you that we are officially declaring war on you and your country."
"Well, Paddy," Chirac replied, "This is indeed important news! How big is your army?"
"Right now," says Paddy, after a moment's calculation, "there is myself, me Cousin Sean, me next-door neighbor Seamus, and the entire darts team from the pub. That makes eight!"
Chirac paused, "I must tell you, Paddy, that I have 100,000 men in my army, waiting to move on my command."
"Begoora!" says Paddy, "I'll have to ring you back."
Sure enough, the next day, Paddy calls again, "Mr. Chirac, the war is still on. We have managed to get us some infantry equipment!"
"And what equipment would that be, Paddy?" Chirac asks. "Well, we have two combines, a bulldozer, and Murphy's farm tractor."
Chirac sighs, amused, "I must tell you, Paddy, that I have 6,000 tanks and 5,000 armored personnel carriers. Also, I have increased my army to 150,000 since we last spoke." "Saints preserve us!" says Paddy, "I'll have to get back to you."
Sure enough, Paddy rings again the next day. "Mr. Chirac, the war's still on! We've managed to get ourselves airborne. We've modified Jackie McLaughlin's ultra-light with a couple of shotguns in the cockpit, and four boys from the Shamrock Bar have joined us, as well!"
Chirac was silent for a minute and then cleared his throat. "I must tell you, Paddy, that I have 100 bombers and 200 fighter planes. My military bases are surrounded by laser-guided, surface-to-air missile sites. And since we last spoke, I have increased my army to 200,000!"
"Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!" says Paddy, "I'll have to ring you back."
Sure enough, Paddy calls again the next day. "Top o' the mornin', Mr. Chirac, I'm sorry to inform you that we've had to call off the war."
"Really? I'm sorry to hear that," says Chirac. "Why the sudden change of heart?"
"Well," says Paddy, "We had a long chat over a few pints of Guinness, and decided there's no fookin' way we can feed 200,000 prisoners!
RE: where are the men host
If you can catch them try "DMSlut" and "Imnososhy"
Both look good and are funny also
Just my opinion
Both look good and are funny also
Just my opinion
RE: where are the men host
Past my bedtime i'm afraid 'us'
Find another sucker to lay the blame on.
Find another sucker to lay the blame on.