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LMAO--ok enjoy it

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Suggestions by u? Better block!

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Don't be so sure! maybe i'm one of them, and i'm always polite and kind.

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Of course! Are u that one?

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what else?

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Ok u won! I'm not a masochist.

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Maybe u know me, but i didn't find any mail by u in my cc mailbox, it would be great to read it. So try again with other nick.

hey, looks like you've got a stalker ;o)

ignore the mail and if the talk in chat is pvt ignore it too

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Ask her if she's ever seen her dad naked.

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If you were honest with her once why can't you do it again? If in comchat she greets you, it doesn't take too much time and energy to answer with a Hi, and you can tell her directly that you don't want her to ccmail you, nor sending pvt messages in comchat. Isn't it simple? Why play? Respect her by telling the truth..if she keeps bugging you, then you can be harder on her :))

i agree with ez......if you wanna spare her feelings make it her choice not to want to bother you anymore......you gotta freak her out and act like a weirdo....it's your kindest option.

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its best if you are honest and direct , no need to be rude tho.
if after being told to not bother you(thru mail) then tell CC about the harrassment, after that if she continues then just ignore her, and i think there is a way to blacklist her so she cant mail you. good luck

How old are you? 11? Yu can't figure out how to handel this?
Just treat her cc mail like spam or bulk mail, ignore it and move on. She will get the hint after a while.

I just logged on to cc and found not one but three ccMails from my stalker. She wrote like this - (1) - hi, i'm online where are u? when will u come see me? (2) did u go sleep? ok dream about me (3) good morning, did u dream about me?
Geez, she is persistent. I suppose I should be happy that there is a young lady out there who is interested in me. Too bad she's not my type. If she was I'd probably be in love, I mean lust now!! LOL

Anyway, looks like the direct approach is the way to go, so I will try that route once more. If it don't work, I may have to try and freak her out like EZ suggested. But it's not in my nature to be rude. After all she is always polite. And if that fails, I suppose I can always change my name. :)

ask her if u can have a 3some, u, her and her mum, that usually does the trick for me and if it doesn't then u at least have a interesting nite ahead

I hope this helps - this is normal in CC :-)

it's on cc, just ignore it crying out loud

She is not interested in you or your personality. She is interested in your money. When it becomes clear you are never going to video she will move on. Time is money. On the other hand......she may be nuts and fly to America tonight and chop you into little pieces but hey.... that's not likely.

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because u r too cheap to pay the $50 extra for it ?

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Its the difference between fantasy and reality

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We don't smell on video.

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welcome back Azterix, you were missed:>D< and the pace wasnt the same without you! A big hug for you sweety!

WOW!..Hi, cool guy :-D...Welcome back! Here it was really a bit empty without you...Hope your emotional baggage is quite full now, but there always plenty of free space though :-)

welcome back we really miss ur wallet..opps, I mean ur uuhhhh....mmmm...hey just come visit us :D

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hello! how are u there?
host try look very official
kind regards. Bye

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The chick came first!
Now I wonder, which chick came first?

That one who knows how to generate those golden eggs ;-)

;) :D

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Why you consider only these two hosts (Gortensia and DizzMissLiz) in the contest of rudeness?.
Taking in consideration yr way to escape from the contest as you continue saying although, personally, I have never found them anything but charming.. I am inclined to beleive non of yr words.

I mentioned those two hosts, cos they are the most recent additions to the rude host catalog. There have been others before and i am sure more will follow.

the old give them enough rope & they will hang themselves routine.i for one,am not buying into a discussion that could have long lasting consequences.think carefully before you reply people.

I have met two lovely polite ladies here and their names are YourSecret79 and 1SexyCat4u. Chat to them and let me know what you think. Oh they are sexy with it as well. :)

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Sometimes, Vera, I am inclined to agree :p

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Dear AnonEMous, I think you got this wrong. I don't know about Gort but I can tell you I have visited Dizz a number of times and there is not a rude bone in her sexy body. She is one of the prettiest, most intelligent hosts I have seen in my years here. Please get facts straight before posting.

I made no comment at all about Liz, just commented on what had gone before, so you should read and get your facts right.

I think perhaps you should try following your own advice RON. If you read Anon's post he states that he has found both hosts to never be anything but charming. The rudeness he refres to is he opinions of other members in other threads.

I see you found a way point out thier rudness without actually saying it yourself. Nice tap dancing mouse, you willingness to commit ranks right there in the middle of the pack.

most of the posts i've seen regarding dizz were pretty positive

This whole series of threads about some of the hosts looks like nothing but a lame attempt at promotion. I mean, just look at the anons starting up different threads about "gortensia", etc. Pretty cheap if you ask me, all his attention-whoring. I'm also pretty sure more than half of all the posts in replies are made by the same person - easy to trace the linguistic identity.
It seems someone's lacking viewers and needs attention badly, lol.

Both are in Glamor! Who cares if they are Rude, it is not like I would be caught trying to chase after their tails, never go to anything lower class than little shy

why dont u ask her?

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It's been my exprience that the profiles here mean next to nothing anyway. I stopped paying much attention to them my 2nd day here.

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is normal..lol..there are others who are stealing pics:))

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Either one, or both, of them has changed their profiles since you posted or your and my idea of copying are two very different things.

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just curious....how do u know she copied cruelbitch? could the the other way round...i agree with anja...seems like cruelbitch started this post herself

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lol gio one or two lumps? :--)

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Add another 5% to the 30-40 age range and that would seem on mark to me.

that the host should be doing the math

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hehe. then that would be the % who are over 95 ;) Wonder how many hosts realised that?! :P

Cute.

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nooooo those 5 where for me

any good poll leaves room for other or undecided

tell that host to do her own math--better yet tell her,,, ah forget it

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my experience is 75% 60 and over , 15% is 50 to 60 years old, 5% -40 to 60% and 5% 25 to 40 years old

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I am older then 50; therefore, that leaves me out for being in your favorite age - lol At least I am in the majority with the rest of the old guys.

Don't take it an offense please, I just made a perception :) Guys over 50 can be still very sexy :-PPP

That is okay, I did not take offense. Age does not bother me. I have enjoyed my years and still enjoy them. Young at heart is me.

I'm 45 but look like 35, whenever I let a host see my cam they are like "Wow, you are much younger then my other members". Maybe it's part of thier selling point to make me feel good, but when a sexy young lady is naked in front of me rubbing her pussy I don't need anymore selling techinques to make me feel good :)

i only know 5 member here under 50:P

when given the choice of joining aarp for $12 a year or cc for free and wiping out their 401k's the over 50 crowd chose the natural course. be happy girls

dont take me wrong, i adore mature guys:)

and i enjoy dicking 18-21 year old girls.

to bad, im older:D

how much older?

on second thought i think you are the one with 40 blocks. pass.

lmao yeah, thats me:P

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wasn't offended just proving we old guys are smart....lol

if they were smart they would hang out here.

rather the point wasn't it

they all say you look great...even if you're wheeled in...of course as long as the $$ clock is ticking....

the picture quality is quite lacking as it is expanded of course. the ultimate criteria is the quality of the transmission (i.e. the quality of the cam the host uses). i have seen a few hosts with exceptional clarity but cant remember which ones except that one said she was using a Phillips cam which was produced excellent clarity. you could almost count individual hairs.

So you are saying your don't like your hosts closely shaven?

I use a samsung 40 inch LCD tv connected to my pc. Using DVI connection from the graphics card and HDMI connection to the tv. Gr8 picture, viewing any web site, even watching downloaded films in AVI format.. :D
Best thing about it is that u can have a few windows open at same time and it doesn`t take up the whole screen or over lap another window. example, have a web page open and maybe 3-4 yahoo windows at the same time. :)
If i was u, depending on the space u have in ur room i would try going for a larger screen, as they are pretty cheap right now. :)
But good luck anyway with whatever tv u decide to buy:)

So you're going to jack off in your office? eeewwww, I bet you're in the next issue of "Caught in the Act, Amazing videos".

Wow, I guess you don't have much work to do if you can spend time in cc while at the office. Must be nice to get paid for wanking.

if his idea of a menaje a trois involves 2 dudes i think you have good reason to be concerned.

Yes you should be worried. If your bf is not prepared to accept your decision on a matter such as this then I am afraid it might be time to move on from him. Sure you might still love him, but it doesn't look much like that love is reciprocated. Sorry for the unwelcome advice.

If he asked for another chick i would understand, but another guy? hmmm... maybe he's gay? :P

Be VERY concerned if a man EVER wants to share you with a man OR a woman. In spite of what he may tell you, he doesn't love or respect you.

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what's the matter? most women would love to have a 3some with 2 men, lighten up, you'll have plenty of time when ur older to be straight and dull. :p

How does the guy on the site feel about this? If a host asked me to meet up with here we can do a 3 way with her bf, I would say no thanks.
Forget all this speculating about what your bf thinks or feels about you, (does he love me anymore? what does this mean? etc) just ask him for the truth. Many people will thier views on the subject, but no one can know 100% because they are not in your relationship and can't possibly know how he feels or why he is asking for a 3 way. Just ask him.
BTW my idea of a 3way involves me and 2 porm magazines at once...:P

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why he want you to find a guy to bake you a pizza?

It sounds like he's gay or at least bi

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Chathost, 'Actions speak louder than words.' The fact that he, a supposed bf, “approves" of what you are doing and even finds it "KINKY," says more about his intentions than any words with which he professes his love for you. Now he wants to up the ante and offer you to some stranger here on the site. Trust your instincts. Your refusal is on the mark. No one who loves you would do that. This guy is a pimp, not a boyfriend!

You wonder, "Maybe he doesn't love me any more." My sense is he never loved you in the first place. The truth may hurt, but it is a lot less hurtful than sustaining a lie. P
counsels you, with good sense, to stop all the torturous “speculation” and simply ask him the truth. However, I do not share P’s confidence that he will readily do that. His actions have already made the truth plain.

Beatle Fan and Firm offer sound advice. Alpha’s glib question, “What’s the matter?” and advice to “lighten up,” is either rooted in naiveté or a cynical disregard for the truth you seek. As for the bf’s insistence that you do what you don’t want to do, that is just another indicator of his total disregard for your feelings. Stick to your guns; don’t give in to his ignoble designs. Better yet, dump the guy.

"love me anymore"...that a dead ringer for she never loved him in the first place or is getting tired of him simply.

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Well...you've been having a menage a thousand here...so why not grant him his wish for putting up with your career choice.

thank u all:) kisses have fun online

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Hi, I'm the guy that posted the message you refer too. You ask very interesting questions and I look forward to reading all the replies you get. Thanks for such a good post. Cheers :))

"If only fools are kind, then I guess it is wise to be a fool." -- Andy Williams, What's it All About Alfie?

Billy Joel wrote a song for his soman: Just the way you are.
Be urself then, maybe u'll get a kick in ur belly, or a sweet kiss on ur lips. But don't go changing. Cleverness isn't a quality so abundant in human race.

You know what tobibobi? I act the same on this site as I would do in 'real' life, cos (unless CC has got VERY good at CGI!) all of the people on here are real people too so why behave any differently?

By the way, I hope no-one who I have ever met here will contradict me from their experiences when I say that I always try to act 'nice'!! Hehe.

generally not a jumper or a texter.hmmm interesting,now i'm going to pay more attention to my MO :--)

Im a member, only one :P and even i do behave different because sometimes i like a long txt-chat to know better, sometimes i like to see immediately etc... but always try be nice!

I think it is a question of who you are in real life. I find it is hard for normal people to always lie that you are nice while you are not, or to pretend you are "a bitch" while you are the kindest and the softest person inside. Even if this site is a place for performing and fantasies mostly, I am still sure it is the best way to stay the same person as you are in real. Even here you always can find someone who appreciates the natural relationships when no need to pretend so hard.
Money are still money, you can buy fantasy and sex but you cannot buy love and friendship, and that is fundamental truth. So, depends on what is the most important for everyone... imitation or real feelings. Those ones who are looking just for quick sex are losing so much really.
Answering on your question I would say that I have the viewers always coming back when I was the most sincere and natural.

Well i cannot say that i recieved the amount of replies that i expected - maybe most people feel to akward to tell these things.

However i am very pleased with the replies i have gotten so far - sounds like there are some sincere persons that are strong enough to not bend for the wind when it screams fool :-)

We can all learn from these outstanding examples. (also me)

Thx.

Nonetheless it was a good question tobibobi, and thank you for asking. If it is true that most members are older, as the Member Age thread would suggest, I would hope maturity would factor in to how viewers act towards others, esp hosts. Maturity doesn't always come with age, though. It is certainly easier to let go here... you just turn off the PC... and it is easy to dismiss someone if you're not interested in them. That may affect how viewers behave toward hosts.

And any relationship takes work, maybe especially here where you pays your money and you takes your chances.

In the end I agree with LG; it depends on who you are and what you seek. I know if I am not true to myself I cannot sustain a relationship, here or anywhere. I can be kind, and usually I am, but I have a nasty sense of humor too... not cruel or mean, just nasty. Long as you are nasty too, we can get along :-)

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maybe if you had taken her out to dinner you wouldn't get those comments.food fpr thought :--)

lol Maybe u're right!

Perhaps if you would stop creating threads about her she would leave you alone.

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you are smokin'

should this be in thread below.....

I was waiting for a clever comment..............Thanks

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you are more mean than sarcastic

that was mean :--)

At least i post under my real screenname.Its so brave to call someone names and hide ur name:P:P:P

I would like to save the world, but I can do only the impossible, for the miracles I have to buy thecnology. Of course I haven't sence of humour, only clever people have it. But how Einstein said, only two things are infinite, the universe and the human stupidity, and on the first one he wasn'rt sure. So my dear, come down from your special heaven and live this fuc.ing life how all people try to do.
To be continued!!!

Nooooooooooooooooooo don't do it.what have we done to suffer your inadequacies.give us a break man,drop it.

Yes, continue insulting everyone who has different opinion than u do,its so nice of u:P And shows what nice and smart person u r:P Have u ever said anything nice about anyone?I havent seen that.Maybe this is ur own war with this world.Enjoy

Ok dear! you won. Let's stop the war. U r not so bad and i'm not so cruel.
Maybe we are better than people can imagine.

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seems you have one problem after another eh?

Gorty,lizz which host will be the next target because of your inadequate social skills?

Dude, promising to spend only 5 minutes is not too enticing. Now if you'd had promised at least an hour, I bet you'd get more responses quicker. Don't you think? How long does it take to smoke a brown cigarette anyway? Only 5 minutes?

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Ooooooohhh!!! 5 whole minutes?? Aside from your brown cigarette fetish, it seems as though you have a fetish for not spending money, as well.

I think it's time to get yourself a new fetish.

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I read the book and it was excellent. The author also wrote "The Road" which was another good book though disturbing. I missed the movie in the theaters but it is coming out on DVD next week or the next. Anxious to see it.

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Not that great. Really not worth it.

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A simple man...finds a lot of money that does not belong to him, and those who "lost" it, want it back, badly!

This movie is about murder, choice, money, power, truth, drug lords, drug money, it offers...justice, death, choice, "...heads or tails...friendo?", honor and a strange type of bushido.

The Coen Bros. have been making interesting movies for more than 20 years, Fargo, Miller's Crossing, and The Big Lebowski (my favorite). If you haven't seen any of these, rent them, they are worth a bag of popcorn in front of the TV.

IMHO "No Country..." may not be their best, but it is visually stylish, has an ambiguous ending, and is worth seeing.

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Vantage point is ok movie. Best this year was "Juno".

You joker, you...

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wow... What about the husband?

Does a life partner not take precedence over a little pleasure and potential joy?

Seems a very selfish attitude, to advise someone that they should so deeply betray someone whom, we assume, loves them a great deal for such little gain.

I have to say, HOST, I think in this case it would be better for all concerned if you keep the member on the other side of the screen... You have a lot more to lose than he does from some little fling.

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oh, i like the way you think - and feel. :)

That's a rather irresponsible way of going through life...satisfying and sacrificing for the sake of pleasure...rather hedonistic...to say the least. You act as though there are not or might never be potential consequences for your behavior. I know a lot of people who think and act as you...so you do have company.

There's nothing hotter than screwing a married chick. Especially if she's hot enough to work here, and super-especially if she's married to a guy who absolutely loves her and would be emotionally devasted if he ever found out.
And then emailing him the surreptitiously taken video after you've flown home.... That's the hottest moment of all. ;-)

screwing a married chick is very dangerous. take it from me. ive been caught twice and barely lived to tell about it.

It's true, extramarital sex cures cancer.
I say go for it. Sneak him home while your hubby's away at work and hump him silly.

Ask yourself this....would you not care if your husband did the same thing behind your back?

Some advice...no good will come of this....forget it and keep it to videos. Trust me he isnt that good.

Hmmm, maybe I have just been on CC too long but why does this thread smell like a wind up to me? For starters it is posted in General when the most logical place to discuss meeting members would be in the hosts forum for _proper_ advice. And secondly can anyone really as clueless to say

"don't want to spoil the relationship with my husband lol. Need to figure out how to meet him and if to have sex with him then"

in the same breath?

Sorry, I don't buy it and anything that derives from this thread will at best be misplaced and at worst be totally bogus.

"How do I cheat on my partner and make him happy about it?" Did this book ever go to publication and I missed it? Hmmmm..

Very strange indeed.


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probably because ur right, it doesn't pass the smell test

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let me guess, russian?

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fantasizing again ray?

are you ready to lose your family, to lose the love, the trust, the respect you have, for a man who will leave you after few days?

yeah but he's bring his credit card....lol

just ask your shelf 1 question...would you like it to be done to you...and there you have your own answer.

why would she want the same and have some dude to come and bugger her husband?
but by the same token, i think it would be a good thing for her to know that her husband is actually homosexual. it might actually shed some light of truth on why she would feel the need to have another guy come to have sex with her in the first place. and no one can disagree with that being a good thing, that's for sure.

Ty for the inputs. Of course I don't want to lose hubby and our relationship, that's why I don't plan to tell him. As far as I'm aware he hasn't ever cheated on me and I will probably be upset if I find out smth like this, so if he ever does it, he should make sure I don't realize it. The viewer is very intelligent and I will probably not be able to pretend I'm single for long. I just have a crush on him and want to see him and probably have a nice shag especially if he is hot in real as he is online :)
I asked if you have had sex outside your marriage, not to judge me and I'm not russian, why should I be lol

Oh that does it.. You're are so busted.. No foreign host would use the word shag in the same context as you just did.

This whole thread was a bogus attempt to stir up opinionated outrage at loose morals and see who would bite. Forget it. I stand by my opinion that this holds about as much credibility as Tony Blair writing his memoirs in which he single handedly saves the world from utter annihilation by the axis of evil brandishing Weapons of Mass Destruction targeted at the 7-11 KwikiMart by Bandbury roundabout.

Move along people, ain't nothing to see here.

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HEY, the lovely indian couple running my local 7-11 are hard working and industrious. please insert wal mart in it;s place

She is just provocative, that's all. Anyway, she can be happy for getting the right answer from C Everett Koop. Extramarital sex is healthy, it does cure cancer :DDD

Is that some kind of russian joke that is funny in your language? Coz it was so-so in english. but hey, thanks for the cut-n-paste dalink.

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You didn't get it? It was probably a english joke :)))

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i too would like to wish all the lovely ladies a happy and wonderful womens day. my wish for you to be treated with the respect you deserve, the kindness you expect and the happiness we all wish to have .
Thank you for being for being that someone special we all try to be

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Happy Womans Day to my 2 favorites Elena and Jenny.

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You are welcome (K).

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everyday is womens day on this site.

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Depends on how it ended,
But seeing as you can not figure that out, I say you are too imature to have a serious relationship.
You are in the live in learn process of life. good luck you have a long way to go.

maybe you are right.. it was a genuine question i asked here. But hey you cant help falling in love with someone even if we are both married to different spouses.

The hard bit.. is walking away and just shutting down emotions. Both she and I cannot do that bit. I am a believer in fate and we met for a reason. That is evident from our affections for one another - even now now after a massive fall out and trying to rebuild it as friendship only.

But the fall out is because its just impossible to have 2 lovers.. we are both a little crazy.. what turned out to be a flippant comment about meeting then snow balled into what is now.

Both our partners know whats been going on and even other chat host friends too.. I seeked advice because of really not knowing what to do...

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It is possible, but very difficult, and it may require that you swallow much hurt... are you prepared for him to fall for another woman? Are you prepared to wrestle with these feelings for months to come?

I know these feelings.

My suggestion is to step back, take a breath, and consider your options from a less involved point of view.

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Ah, yes, I love that... sniff, sniff :-)

Good luck to you. I hope it works out for the best.

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Baby, you gotta stop causing yourself so much drama and grief. Just keep fucking him until you two get bored of each other then move on to the next guy. :)

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and? what would u like that people asked u? how is weather to you? and how was tasty the last borsh soup? If u r a host change work dear! if u r a guest, change ur mind.

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Why wouldn't they ask these questions? Every question you have mentioned, I have been asked by hosts, and then some.

Don't worry - most questions in chat at least are euphemisms for 'come to my vid now!', e.g. hru bb? what mood? how old? where u from? So, as ur answers are irrelevant, just reply as you wish, e.g. 'I'm 22, from Antartica, my mood is psychopathic.......'

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I would think and expect people to just answer truthfully it is a chat forum (I know its basically porn biased) so be yourself cheers

yes, agree...but that sounded so funny though:)))

I think most host treat their moments here as "comic relief"...and enjoy the humor of getting paid well for it.

What is your opinion of the usefulness/performance of the 2 pieces of software mentioned?

With a MAC you don't need to worry about these issues. For my pc I use Bit Defender, ranked No1 by Consumer Reports. I've used it for almost 2 years and it is flawless. It costs about $60 a year and is well worth it. You get what you pay for.

I've tried Webroot Spysweeper & McAfee anti-virus & was disappointed in both. So I'll never pay for such programs again. You shouldn't have to worry about these issues with a MAC considering how much they cost. Does bit defender offer realtime protection?

Threads like these that make me giggle.

hee hee hee hee. Me too. :)

Your days of gloating about a MAC being safe are coming to the end, they now have enough of the computer market to make them a target, so enjoy it while you can ;o)

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none needed

HOUSTON? We have a problem ?

no way Jose.

not mine used all night

mine was down for hours

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Many hosts use a screen name from someone else and the profile information and host's name are not the same as the present host. Plus, many profiles are not true.

what subject are you two discussing, has nothing to do with the thread lol

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you chat in text because you want to get a sense of who the girl is...perhaps as a result...they don't feel comfortable...maybe pressured...and would rather not move to video.

To answer in chat means that u r kind and come to ur video chat could be confortable. Many hosts don't answer at all, and many know only the words Come in pvt.

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after then mins it's ok to say bye and close chat . But block? Are there so silly members that don't understand the meaning of the word "BYE"? Only Gortensia blocks without advertisement! lol

and you think this is the best way to handle this by blocking? geeeeeeeeeze. is that the intended purpose of blocking????

All this talk of blocking in recent threads has sure rattled some members, who seem to take it as a personal affront. Interesting to speculate on why it touches such a raw nerve.

Eh...have you read your own profile? It isn't particularly comprehensive as to what a member might be led to expect from a visit to your room. Rather undermines your criticism i feel

I usually do go to community chat to get to know a new host. I will chat for a while and then decide if I go to video. Even with friends I will text chat for a while to see if they are busy and I will always ask if it is okay to come to video at that time. I have been told before when it is not a good time to enter (They have somebody else in open video for example). I will then return another time. I do this out of respect for the host.

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Most profiles are fluff or generic and often ambiguous statements. They rarely give you a clear indication of what the host is like personally, what her limits are, what her videos will be like. The phrase...come to my video and I will make you happy has dozens of interpretations. Even when they are specific the rules can change. The girl who says she is very shy might wind up with a coke can up her butt. The one who says come to me for hot hot action won't even take off her hat in video. I would prefer if CC had hosts complete a form that clearly stated their preferences, what they do and dont do, etc. Sure it is more clinical but then members might read it.

you must be an instant action host, coz I usally spend a couple minutes with the small talk before I get down to the nakedness (Hi, where you from?, what's ur name?, etc) but hey, If you want members to read profiles and then jum into vids with no small talk be prepared to take your panties off from the 1st minute.

obviously because they take it personally and feel that in some cases that it is undeserved and blame cc for allowing this practice.

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it is indeed rude of members, but hosts can be rude also. It would be like for example; if the host accepted a 700 camera as a gift and than actually expected this person to pay for video. Can you believe how selfish this host appears?

...that is an allusion to the OP, right?

As goes the American economy, so goes the global economy... Stock up on bottled water, canned beans, and bullets... It's going to be a rocky road.

the dollar is tagged to the price of oil (paid for in dollars). as the price of oil increases (now about $105/barrel), the dollar goes down.

that is just sooooo wrong

u have that backwards. the falling dollar is the problem.

shuussss! At this rate we will start seeing more and more hosts from US.....ahhhh, I can smell the fries already

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The problems are a result of Woodrow Wilson taking the US off the Gold Standard in the 20's and now we are seeing the decline of the American Empire. By 2050 or sooner the US will be a Chinese colony.

So...it;s Woody;s fault. Not Ronald Ray-Gun, Not George HW Bush, not this current administration that is spending 8 Billion $$$per month in Iraq.

Not the fact theat we borrow from the Chinese to pay the Saudi's...it's Woodrow Wilson's fault???

Talk about your trickle-down voodoo economics!

or block less members?

Then you´ll have fewer viewers, less money and u think you´ll have to raise prices again... until all u need is a guy who pays 20 dls per minute to make for the lost income from the rest . good move.

The expenditures for the war in Iraq are being felt. When all is said and done we will have spent over 2 trillion dollars on the war. To put that in perspective...the USA could rebuild from scratch every public school, hospital and highway in the USA for that amount of money.

yeah that hurts real bad i a 300 trillion dollar economy, try again

Just think, isn't that crazy really what is going on? Doesn't it mean that we, people on this earth, have no power anymore to rule our own lives and to chose those leaders who can manage politics properly, saving money for humanity's real needs? Seems so...I am lost for words :(((((((

You just now came to that conclusion ??? You are finally getting the picture...another step closer to maturity, cynicism, and despair.

How much more will you have to spend before you start winning the peace? As you rightly state, you could have regenerated the entire US infrastructure. So where has all the money been spent, that a regular supply of electricity still cannot be guaranteed in Baghdad? I suspect we will start seeing some Iraq-sourced US names in the Forbes/Fortune rich lists in a few years time.

I agree with Well. The cost of the war has definitely taken money from others parts of the economy and made it unstable. This has happened at other times in the history of the USA. (the depression of the early 30's) I do not think the USA can continue to do things around the world that drags down the economy in the USA. I think that we should start to take care of the USA and only do what is necessary to defend ourselves. In order for the war on terror to succeed all of the countries must become involved physically and economically. If they do not want to do this, then the USA should take care of USA and let other countries take care of themselves. People are always burnig the US flag and blaming a lot of things on the USA. We should pull back to our boundries and take care of ourselves if others do not want us there. Others will say that seperatism will not work in this time in the world, but I sure would like to try.

isolationism will not work in modern world and hasn't for a century, and war did not cause the depression, in fact it was war that ended it, not the the policies of fdr, those actually added little to ending it. lack of liquidity and the fact that 90% of the cash in the US was held by 1% of the population. there were factors too, including bad investments made in europe by the US rich, but that could fill books

Why does the neocon war-mongering set always insist on conflating and confusing non-interventionism with isolationism?
It's intellectually dishonest... please knock it off.

his remark discussed doing so much in the world, not necessarily war and the conv has nothing to do with intervention and i am no neo con. and you because you obviously know nothing about the economy , which is what the conv is about, could only pick that out to criticize and that is actually intellectualy dishonest. so we can assume you are in the left wing then?

Where was Riv dicussing economic policy? He was questioning the simple economic cost of waging war and maintining a military presence around the world to protect allies who can well enough protect themselves.
That, in essence, is exactly what non-interventionism is... and from that stance to one of isolationism and its accompanying economic nationalism is quite a further leap for sure.

started as agreeing with well, the comment had more to do with well's comments should have been directed at him mostly, sorry for that misunderstanding

wait riv's comment about war and the great depression was the only part of my comment directly related to him. fact of life is the war ended the depression for the US not started it, the rest was merely a part of the reason we are in recession now, which still has little or nothing to do with iraq

You are a bit naive...about usa alturistic motives in "taking care" of the the rest of the world. They do it out of fear and monetary self-interest...that's why it will never be successful and ultimately harm other countries. That said...historically other countries do the same thing...usa simply has a broader reach and more "borrowed" bucks to throw around. There is chaos in the financial and housing markets at the moment with not end in sight. Other countries have been riding on the backs of the usa for years investing for their own self interest/greed propping up flawed economic policies. The ripple effect is widespread and its gonna get worse. I wouldn't wanna be taking the reigns to the next administration.
Thank you reagan, bush sr, clinton and gw for the wonderful legacy you've left the american people.

let's all heap ultimate blame for the stte of the economy on the presidency..... and then, let's all pine for the golen days of the carter administration.
wow... too funny.

A few points to make, first this is not an argument (as some would like it to be about Republicans vs. Democrats) it is about economic policy. Ronald Reagan, and now George Bush have incurred more debt than all other American Presidents...combined, that is a fact. A quick Google on Presidential economics will confirm that. So, throwing Carter's name against the wall is meaningless. While he may not have been a great President, his policies did not lead us to the brink of bankruptcy.

Secondly, the so-called "War on Terror" is a sham, a mis-guided effort in the wrong place, against the wrong enemy, fought with a strategy doomed to fail. Many international organizations agree on the following 1 million Iraqi civilians dead, 4 million Iraqis made refugee either inside or outside of their own country, oil at the highest price the world has ever seen, Al-Qaeda stronger than before conflict began, U.S military budget larger that all other countries in the world combined, does this sound like victory or strategy to anyone?

Lastly, if we were to discuss Democrat vs. Republican policy, I'll take Democrats thank you. THe CCC program of FDR, the National Parks Program, Social Security, Civil Rights Bill of 1964-5, public libraries, labor movement, Student loan program, insured bank deposits, all initiated or brought to fruition by Democrats.

Republicans? I'll take Lincoln, and Eisenhower, both of whom would find no home in today's Republican party.

I am not a Democrat, have never registered as a Democrat...I am a freedom lover, but any student of American history should know where the most democratic policies in this country started.

while some of those programs had value to the american people in a social way, they contributed little to ending the depression

as for tiraq misguided, hell yes it was, but the 1,000,000 figure has been proven to be bullshit and the refugees from the war is closer to 2 mil many of whom are now returning

and you're right the carter slander was a joke, but his economic policy was a disaster or have u forgotten the misery index

no his policies didn't lead the country to the brink of bankruptcy just the people to the brink..........the prime rate was what?, interest rates and inflation were what? and everything was the people's fault..always remember those two famous line of his

"the american people are in a maiaise" uhm, who put us there

"americans have to get used to not being number 1" really we went to bed that night and when we woke up the soviet blcok had won the cold war?

the true secret to reagan was it was ok to be american, that's why the people voted for him in droves, but i suppose being cognizant of what was happening during those times gives one a different perspective

oh yeah i forgot...reagan did take us to the brink of bankruptcy but they knew what they were doing and that was the little known fact the plan was to spend the soviets actually in to bankruptcy......kind of worked didn't it

back when were backing obl et al against the soviets in afghanistan and spouting just enough bs about sdi to promt th ussr to invest their resources to combatting a technology that wan't even there.
reagan was awesome.

you forgot johnson , nixon ford and carter and the housing market isn't even the worst yet to come

Sure, but the 50 cal machine guns on them is going to cost more.
And those 8th grade educated veterans are going to need jobs when the bullets stop flying, not much a demand for a machine gunner in the private sector..

not to worry...they're all psycholocally tramatized for the rest of their lives and will be showing up on your streets and homes with guns ablazing...enjoy!

u both are full of crap about GI's, need to stop reading the NY Times

what's your fav news rag...illusionary times?

interestingly, the NY Times, once one of the great papers of the world has become a lying rag ever since "pinch" took it over from his father andyou;d be amazed at the people who refuse to read it anymore hell your better off getting our news from the damn net. is;t amazinng how many stories they've been called out on lately for bogus facts and figures, especially regarding the so called murderous gi's amongst us, the ridiculous figure about civilians the army killed in iraq, which ofc is courtesy of the likes of moveon.org and plastered all over television by the likes of rosie o'donnel as the gospel. then there's the recent mccain story, shades of the national enquirer. so it would seem that it is u who is reading the illusionary news.

hello the NY post amt the NY daily news, two of the worst rags in the country report more honestly than the times

in this day and age especially, anyone who gets their news from a single source or multiple sources reflecting the same singular political bias is pretty much a tool anyway.

I think you'd better go there and check out the stats...first hand...just so you can be assured of your pov.

if i want to read lies, they've already been printer in the NY Times

that pretty coed from auburn university who was murdered recently....turns out the murderer was an iraqi vet....some guy who his family described as being "changed" by his exprience as a gi.

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Maybe you should pay some russian taxes baby...instead of buying that f**k'm pumps next week...lol

Just look what has been slowly happening...the dollar is no longer the currency of safe haven...the US is no longer THE economic powerhouse and global leader of financial trade. It's going to take the next administration a whole lot longer to attempt to fix what the current administration has screwed up. It wont matter what you call it "non-interventionism or isolationism" we are going to have to protect our own asses starting very soon. The world is a different place but we have "leaders" that still act like we are the toughest guys on the block...until we get some intelligence at the top the path we are on just keeps getting darker.

usa has credit problems unrelated to the dollar and the dollar has no effect on the typical american. as a matter of fact, it is good for exports. the only ones suffering are europeans being paid in dollars. as a side note the weak dollars favors the american tourist business for europeans traveling in the usa.

To Non-E? Huh? Shall we ask the European, and Asian hosts that work on this site if a weak dollar is helpful to them? How about the hotels, touring companies, restaurants, and countless other industries that formerly thrived in part because of a strong dollar. Do you think it's good for Europe, and Canada, and Asia (excepting China) that the dollar is wilting?

Any hosts care to comment? Gortensia, Origami, Laughing Girl...would like to hear your thoughts?

in perfect agreement, the dollar cannot remain this low, it's a bad policy that the bush admin turned absolutely had a hand in doing and now they have no clue how to get out of it

lost my train of thought for a minute when i typed that, but i'm sure u get the drift

there too busy spending your weak dollar to comment...lol

In rebuttal, the true number of Iraqi civilian casualties is very hard to calculate. The World Health Organization puts the figure at 150,000 - 200,000 after doing a door to door survey last year. They admit that figure may be low based on many factors. Even if the (i million) figure cannot be confirmed...yet, is the death toll of 150, 000 dead men, women, and children ok? Does that make the war less evil? As companies like Haliburton, KBR, and Blackwater, make hundreds of millions of dollars from death and misery from a war that never should have happened, are we going to sit behind our comfortable computers, and actually argue about the correctness of this mis- begotten policy?

Secondly, Reagan was not awesome...he was an old, senile, demagogue without a clue as to what was going on in his own administration...Oliver North and the war from the basement, ring a bell?

Also, again easy to check, had more members of his Administration convicted of felonies than any American president in history. Additionally his crime policies were racist, as was he.

are you arguing for a pull-out of american forces in iraq then? and jut what wowuld you suppose would happen after ward, all tribal and sectarian differencesand hotilities will magically be healed once the "great satan" is gone?
no, we'll leave then be forced to return to quell the humanitarian tragedy.. after all that's always the left's excuse for waging war, right?

wrong argument, you don't slander the GI's that way, they have nothing to do with haliburton and the others and the talk of them being dangerous amongst us when they come home is an outrageous lie, in fact they are less dangerous in society than the average citizen of their age in america. as fort whether the was is evil, i leave that for all you left and right wingers to decide, but keep in mind when you discuss that the animal they toppled killed at least 100,000 more of his own people for no legtimate reason and before u bring up the question of weapoms of mass destruction, yes the data was wrong but everyone thought he had them, he had used them ask the kurds and the iranians he slaughtered with it. even that argument doesn't hold water
besides if the brits hadn't artifically credated that country in 1921 by forcing three groups of people that hate each other into one place. iraq discussions could go on forever

what about Rep Jefferson with $90,000 in his freezer.

lame argument. reagan as demagogue? and who used awesome. but better is the same tired crap that gets dragged out..republican bad...democrat good

how many scandals were the clintons invoved in, how about LBJ hiding the fact he was fighting a full scale war from his own economic advisors who when asked about it said if we thought we were fighting a war on that level we'd be in the office writing a tax bill. oops is that why we got a 10%surcharge on the already too high taxes for the era two years late......sorry, you'll have to find another argument other than one party is bad and the other good since they both suck to high hell

for every "fact you keep pulling out of some website or textbook saying one thing, the other side can find "facts: to counter it. try opening your own eyes and thinking on your own instead of what someone else tells you to think. big wide world out there to understand if you think it through without the arguements of either the right or the left

As we are not going to change each other's minds...I'll just say this one more time. I am not a Democrat, never have been, and probably never will be. I did not support LBJ, and found his coduct in Vietnam reprehensible. The most courageous thing he ever did was sign the Civil Rights Act of 1965. This argument is not about left vs. right, Elephant vs. Donkey. IMHO, it is about a foreign policy that for over 40 years has used war as the engine to drive both the domestic economy and foreign policy, to the detriment of both. I notice that my facts aren't disputed just my tone. So, one more time, to argue that after we have wrongly invaded Iraq that we cannot pullout is a nonsensical circular argument, particularly since the Iraqi's when asked in polls again and again, say they want U.S. troops gone ASAP.

The world community, and Iraq's neighbors need to be involved in the reshaping of Iraq. The U.S. which is building the largest Embassy in the world in Iraq, has no credibility in the region except with the Saudi's (oil, weapons) and Israel (military partner, weapons). We need a more peaceful rational foreign policy, and a more balanced trade policy to help U.S. domestic growth.
That is factual, if you care to check, also having the world's largest military, and a larger military budget than all other countries combined, does not make us safer. Just ask yourselves, are we safer than we were 25 years ago, if we increase the budget...will we be safer 25 years from now?

Further starting wars in the wrong places, Cuba, Angola, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Iraq, and assassinating leaders (Lumuba, Allende, attempts on Castro and Chavez) we don't approve of is not the way to win hearts and minds.

I am a American, I love the ideals of the U.S when they are upheld, but when they are not...we must not be quiet.
America has more people in prison than China both in quantity, and per capita. Just today, President Bush vetoed a bill that would have made water boarding an outlaw technique. I am not OK with that.

Our economy is about to into recession, and the U.S. dollar is worth less than the Pound, Euro, and Canadian dollar is that alright with everyone?

I have said my piece...peace!

your facts are disputed, you have no concept of the current problems with the economy. the war in iraq has next to nothing to do with it.

just pulling up stakes getting out of iraq is inviting genocide and which regional states are yuou counting on to help shpe their future...iran, syria, saudi arabia or were you thinking of pakistan, maybe even egypt. any of those make any sense

the world community? who the europeans? sure they will help same as they were sooooooooooo wiilling to help prevent genocide in bosnia, had to be dragged kciking and screaming into preventing that

as a final point you should be reminded that the french and the british created most of these states in the region out of next to nothing that you think the europeans can straighten out the region, sure proclaim some new kings perhaps or maybe they can figure out how the hell they created iraq anyway.

every point you have made is actually pointless and without a clue and most assuredly about why the economy and the dollar are in such bad shape.

actually there's no point in listening any further to someone calling themselves freedon lover and has no idea what freedom is

regarding the former yugoslavia, it was actually blair who convinced clinton to bomb over the supposed genocide being committed by serbs against muslims.....subsesquent evidence has never proven anything more than all sides on the ground were intent on killing each other. but considering that the newly declared independent nation of kosovo is 90% muslim, you have to wonder which side was ultimately more effective in riding itself of the other.

was meant for bosnia, where europe did have to get dragged in and why did the euros need the usa to handle either of them, being they are such world powers in their own right. besides this was an economic discussion that fl hijacked to spout political nonsense and not discussing world politics any further

I was going to let my last comment be my last...but I see perhaps one more is called for. First, an educated person may have a different opinion without become insulting, or personal.

Second, saying you dispute my facts without saying how, or which facts you dispute is also not a proper debate. Dispute what? How? Do you dispute my facts about American military budget, about foreign leaders we have overthrown and murdered, dispute our President vetoing bill that would have stopped the CIA from waterboarding suspected "terrorists", dispute polls of Iraqi people in which they opined that American military should leave Iraq ASAP, dispute the theft of more than 10 billion US taxpayer dollars in the last five years, dispute the fact that Saddam Hussein was not behind the 9-11 attacks on the U.S., dispute that the US dollar is now worth less that the Pound, Euro, or Canadian dollar??? Which facts sir, are you disputing?

Anyone who believes that spending 25-30 billion dollars a month on this war is not affecting the American economy IMHO is incorrect. If it were not the case, we would not be financing the war by borrowing from the Chinese and Japanese, and we would not have become the largest debtor nation on Earth. Or do you also dispute that?

I don't mind arguing, or debating if you feel differently, I just suggest not being personal, and please provide some facts that would prove your point.

Lastly, I support the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, and some of my friends and relatives have fought and died defending this country.

Sir, I have a right (and a duty) as an American to express myself as I choose. That is why I am, and will remain...a freedom lover.

Peace

didn't bother to read it, not discussing politics anymore, dont care enough about it, but i do know them...enjoy ur day

The former Yugoslavia was a very fragile alliance of peoples with long standing historical antipathies---ultimately rooted in religious differences---artfully sewn together by the political genius of Tito. There was no one to fill his shoes upon his death and before long Milosevic was beating the war drum, invoking the memory of a 600 year old war between the Serbs and Croats that was more fundamentally a war of Orthodox Christians vs. Roman Christians.

The modern political alliances reflected this without expressly invoking religion. But religious leaders from each Rite assured its faithful of its moral rectitude, preaching a thinly veiled hatred of the enemy and an implicit justification for human slaughter---all in the name of God. The Muslims of Kosovo could not have surmounted the Orthodox Serbs without the expressed support of the more powerful Western (i.e. Roman) nations.

"you have no concept of the current problems with the economy. the war in iraq has next to nothing to do with it." oh please...."Smart"Strike you need to freshen up on economics...whenever a country is at "war' it is THE major factor on that country's economic condition. Economics 101 dude.

reading textbooks, especially one dealaing with ths tudy of economics 101 is silly, not reality based. better to read finance 101 then again i've had people quote me from that one too. doesn't work that way in reality. ask ur investment banker what the prob is with the economy. it's not the war, strike is right, the was is peanuts in a $3 trillion dollar economy and explain how the economy was booming for the first 4 years of it. you need to understand the credit markets and the reasont eh investment and commercial banks aren't lending. the investment banks have some cash now, they won't lend it, they can't, they need it to boost their reserves in the near future when the value of commercial real estate and other little goodies,are corrected on their books. doesn't sound like tanks to me either

correction $300 trillion

Americans have a nasty habit of spending money they don't have.

I quite agree, and the aggressive marketing tactics of banks issuing credit cards encourage it. The credit card divisions of banks are the most profitable and deregulation has enabled banks to engage in unconscionable usury. It's loan sharking in a three piece suit.

ahh,pandora that was a fine box you opened there :==)

Yes, the dollar keeps falling. This is because the Federal Reserve keeps cutting interest rates. Why does the Federal Reserve keep cutting interest rates? The same reason the administration will be sending out tax rebate checks in May. The government wishes to stimulate the economy, so the USA does not enter a recession.

Why does the American economy need stimulating? Its simple, many Americans are starting to have problems spending as much as they used to spend. Americans **love** to spend. When housing prices were increasing, many Americans simply used their homes as ATMs. Now that they are in debt up to their eyeballs in a falling housing market, many Americans are in real financial trouble. Look for an increase in auto repossessions and credit card defaults in the next few months.

So what will be the consequences of current Federal Reserve & Administration actions? Please remember that this is only my opinion :-).

The US Dollar will continue to fall. US government debt will increase. The price of everything denominated in US Dollars will rise. Oil is denominated in US dollars, so look for the price of gasoline to increase, as they say in Boston, “wicked high” (I won’t even bring up the topic of peak oil – too doomish to mention ;) ).

Anyway, the return of inflation will cause further real financial trouble for more Americans, although Mr. Bernanke will not notice - the Federal Reserve does not include food prices and energy prices when they mention the “core” inflation rate. Apparentally, the Federal Reserve believes that Americans neither need to eat nor commute to work.

As US government debt becomes less attractive (because of the falling dollar), historical buyers of T-Bills (which includes many foreign governments, such as China, Japan, the UK and the Petroleum States) might look for alternate investments. Any guesses what they might buy? My guess would be commodities and companies that produce commodities. This will further increase American inflation and depress the US Dollar.

In short, the current actions of the Federal Reserve and the administration would cause them to fail macroeconomics 101. The fact that they are actually pursuing these actions is, for lack of a better word, fucked up.

But then again, Americans live in a country that cares about more important topics - like the previous employment of an “American Idol” contestant and the recurring Britney Spears train-wreck.

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nice answer mike, but you forgot the next genius move the fed is atalking about. selling $200 billion doilars in t bills to wall street companies, so they can write down the junk paper against it. another stupid idea