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why,why,why DELILAHHHHHHH!!!

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who is doing what to whom?

just because.

Because it's fun and sexy.

I have extra money and not enough real sex. Where I live, I cannot convert money into real sex easily, so this is convenient, and hot.

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presents are nice but they do not wrap their arms around you at night, they do not wipe away your tears when you are sad and they do not give you a gentle, loving, caring, nor comforting words when needed. and they do not tell u that everything will be alright.

i would take those over a gift any time.

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Just my 2 cents, but I think the 10 minutes of your life spent writing that would have been put to better purpose having a video session

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The suggestions that prompt most objections about CC becoming a clone of other sites are generally those that involve extra rules on what hosts must and must not do. I have seen few objections to genuine technical improvements. the new bigger video window does offer a higher resolution than the old small one but I think whether tis is utilised depends on the host's camera settings and bandwidth. There are other sites that have a feature equivalent to 121. 121 was introduced by CC in repsonse to complaints by viewers about not getting attention when a host had more than one member in video and hosts who had problems juggling multiple simultaneous requests. At the same time CC restricted the number of sessions a host could have open at one time and introduced the rule that as soon as someone entered video in one session the host had to close the other if she had one one. The additional cost of 121 was to partly balance the reduction in income to hosts resulting from this. IMHO I think 121 iis a case of not wishing for something because you might get it.

I agree completely with your thoughts on 121.

Who is this guy who keeps on writing these long over analytical posts. I can't read them. If I do my brain hurts. Where are all the good one liners?

climbing is great fun. I have done lots in the USA, Rocky Mountains and Alsaka, and in Swiss and Italian Alps. Make sure you go with someone experienced. Even climing non-technical mountains, where you do not need ropes, can be dangerous due to weather or getting lost. But with exprience, it can be very safe and fun.

I"ve never hiked in Alsaka. Is that in the Ozarks, or the Rockies? Or maybe the Appalachians/Great Smoky Mountains?

Alsaka -- maybe it is in Hawaii?

<great big grin>

I spent most of my youth rock climbing in the UK mountains. Nothing as exotic as the Pyrenees. I live in the English Lake District, and have climbed in England, Scotland and Wales. But all of this (and other fun!) largely stopped when I became a parent. Why do you ask?

Nice "hills" in UK to stroll to top of

I can jump out of bed and be on the summit of the highest "hill" in England in a few hours. Yes that is very nice, you can keep the alps :)

When I lay down on my back, my belly is the third highest hill in England. :--))

Do you get snow on the summit of mount tisme in the winter?

And if it still is while you fantasise about your favourite host, it says quite a bit about..both :)

Only climbing I have done, and it wasn't serious climbing, was in the Great Smoky Mountains of USA. Compared to most mountains in the Alps or Pyrenees, one might say the Smokies are mere mole-hills ;) but they are beautiful, serene, and one of God's most beautiful places on earth.

I climbed from the parking to the base of El Capitan. Just looking straight up its 3,000 foot face scared the shit out of me. But more power to you!

Most of my climbing has been in the Rocky Mountain region with a few sidetrips to California (Half Dome), Wyoming, and the Gunks. Sex and climbing are essentially the same -- good placement of a piece in a perfect crack and it will hold you forever.

Of course much more confusing! How would a girl still be able to pretend she is "little shy" if she also has an "instant action" sticker? Obviously members would ask her for action in her cheapest room...
Besides try to figure out the management of one-to-one requests? To be honest, she should close 6 rooms if starting a 121 and what if she is already in open sessions in other rooms? and I don't mention other sites...

No clue why you would suggest such a thing!!

I think it was meant to be sarcasm. but then, I could be wrong

Its nice to see some forum readers have a brain.

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Happy Canada Day to u as well SourStone, i hope u have a great weekend, and i hope that the rain holds up so we can spend the time outside.....

take care and remember, things are only as bright as we let them be...huggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

Canada Day.......another riot in Vancouver to celebrate? I love how Canadians party....and I thought you were the polite North Americans! :-))

yeah, all Canadians are like that because a few idiots did that. Yeah, that makes sense, makes complete sense. You must be some kind of scientist with a high IQ. Or you must be some Alien race with infiniate knowledge. Or maybe you're Stewie from Family Guy...is that you Stewie?!?

damn dude learn to take a joke

yeah, just a"few" idiots....who also did the same thing in 94 when they lost the stanley cup the first time. Hmmm, how many is a "few" in Canadian?

yeah, everyone from Canada is from Vancouver, BC. We all just branched out to the rest of Canada...makes perfect sense. I was blind but now I can see!! OH PRAISE THE LORD!!! I knew Jesus was real...even though everyone laughed at me for believing in it, BUT I KNEW HE WAS REAL!! =-D Thank you for showing me the light, this was a blessing in disguise

huh? :--)

tisk tisk tisme!

Happy Canada Day. Ignore the spineless trolls above.

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Canada Day can use that lovely smile of yours! =-D

Happy Canada Day to us!

Happy Canada day! Canada is one of the countries on my "to visit" list!:*

when visiting Canada then you have to visit Nunavut...its where the Inuks (Eskimos) live and its quite the experience! Depends what time of year you come around you'll be able to see the Northern Lights. I can send you pictures if you like from last years northern lights =-D

wow, you know how to show a girl a goof time! Nunavat! screw Thailand beaches! Pass the seal blubber SourStone!

obiviously host u have not been there, don't knock it till u been there, it is a very nice place, just depends on what time of year u go.

Thanks. Monikababe is one of the people on my "to be visited by" list. :D

And a happy Canada day to you too!

ur the mistress on the side dear sorry :(

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sorry to be mean, but it doesn't sound like he loves you, in fact it sounds like he is using you and keeping his girlfriend which he prefers. Are you sure he has not been with anyone else as well?
You say you are happy and he treats you well, but sounds to me like he knows how to keep you around. I don't think i can convince you though and i'm afraid you will most likely get hurt when the time comes he has to make a decision. Remember he is having sex with her too, and buys her the same flowers he buys you, whispers into her ear the same way he does with you, but his friend and family know only about her.
even if he dumps her and goes with you, can you be sure he won't cheat on you as well?

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Sorry to say that you are the "forbidden secret" which puts you #2 and it will continue unless she leaves him and then you could be #1 and he will find another #2. One just isn't enough for some guys!

he doesn't tell family and friends about you becos as you said he met the other woman a year before you and have already told them about her. I imagine he doesn't want everyone to know he has 2 gf's at once

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This is simple. Keep banging him until you get tired of him. Then find another guy to have sex with. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

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does anyone see this ending well?

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Good idea!! Make sure you take a picture when you tell him and post it here...hehe

Maybe he believes that he really loves you too.... but he wants his cake and to eat it too. Maybe he's just a liar and good at stringing a woman along by pushing all the right buttons.

Either way, you can't be with someone who has another woman. It's a simple as that. The fact that he is not faithful to his first girlfriend suggests he wouldn't be faithful to you either, even if he decided to choose you.

Try finding a man who is loyal to you and shows his love in REAL ways, with commitment and faithfulness....rather than just being smooth and whispering romantic things in your ear.

You know...words are easy!

.. Or maybe just consign yoruself to a life of using men casually as much as they use you, like one of the more cynical respondents said here. Although I never met a happy, contented, warm person who did this.

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If he really loves both girls, he wil make a choice. If he does not he will end up hurting both those girls he loves.

I don't buy the "innocent victim". He needs the strength of his convictions.

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Ever thought that he might already be married to her and you are the affair?? Why would you want to be #2? Is it about money?

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if it is about love why are you with him? the only love he gives you can be cleaned up with a mop

o and thanks to all the Hots who make it so enjoyable :)

Big Hugs and Kisses to YOU :))

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Check out xblondyxx 27th august 2008 and this year she was at Wimbledon. (licking cream from my strawberries)

Tennis? BALLS

Sharapova. Definitely not the Williams sisters who are downright ugly.

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You again??? LOL

I will assume that is a vote for anonymity. :P

agree.then less members and hosts will be post bullshit and lie..we will know who post bad thing about us in forums.and members and hosts.but probably cc wont let it be..

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The way it is now even a non member can post in General Forum. I have no doubt CC thought this out when they opened the site. And maybe they thought members and hosts alike would be most honest about how they feel if they were anonymous.

If CC required every host and member to sign up separately and choose one name just to post in the forums, it would solve the multiple account issue.

But nothing is going to change. And that's fine with me and I'm guessing most others too.

Is this your way of saying you miss me? ;)

TNT

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I am what I am and I make no apologies for it. :)

I never realised I appeared so androgynous though.

You learn something new every day. Thank you!

TNTSATT

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The best sort. A secret one ;)

TNTWPTGFALATSA

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"The funniest thing is when someone actually signs their posts, they get accused of trying to get attention..."

That is a very important point you bring up and at least in some cases why hosts do not post their screen names.

Another thread on anonymity. I'm for the "lets post under our real CC identity" movement. Though of course we all should do what is right for us, andf that is probably the answer. I really do not understand what anonymity gains you, or why members/hosts would prefer to post anonymously ...

Then everyone would quit reading your threads if you used only one screen name because you write a book here constantly and they are so boring.

i not post my name cos when ever i have someone has always attacked me some how, even tho i would post something nice or someone posts something nice about me, someone would come along and say something rude or mean, even if they not know me. or we get accused of trying to drum up business...so i rather not post my name so i can stay clear of hassles.

take care :) huggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

I don't give a flying f**k to tell the truth

best breasts are my man boobs :-))

get it right,it's (lady)boy bosom :--)

my credit card was blocked once for 2 weeks. I asked 3 diffferent hosts that I had seen many times for a free show. Only one did. She gave me 3 free shows, and then I kept seeing her for a long time. Now she has moved on, but she was great.

I wouldn't mind the free chow, but I would never ask for a free show. Just ain't right. But, for a hungry man, the free chow would be nice.

so remove and block her from ur yahoo, lifes too short for regrets

Sorry that there are some hosts on here that are probably pushed by studio bosses to do such a thing. Also it could just be a very agressive host. Sorry to hear that. There is always one bad apple. I agree to block her on IM and resolve it forever :)

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B, if you mean simply modeling without bending over, spreading, et cetera.

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Yeah my bad, it should be not paying attention.

Nude Modelling... standing there, no clothes on, with a lump of modelling clay, making it into shapes :)

EXACTLY!! I especially like what you said "yes maybe you like a certain host and she up's her price, .............and? the problem is what exactly? the host isn't here to make friends, if u don't like it find another! If you're looking for a lover, go to a dating website!"

It is what it is and there are plenty of hosts to choose from at a price for all can afford. I think that some feel they should be able to pick the host....pick what that host will do and at what price the member wants to pay and that is not how it works.

Also tired of the complainers or complainer changing identity's!

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I hardly think complaints are based on gender. I think plenty of men and women complain in the forums. And instead of considering the merits of complaints and suggestions, now it is about attacking people instead of what they say and addressing the issues.

At this point, there really is no point in posting about suggested improvements and similar issues. We might as well just talk about things like "Do hosts actually meet members?", "Happy Birthday", and other things that have nothing to do with how CC itself actually is run. Pricing, categories, open versus 121, ratings, et cetera shouldn't even be permitted as topic of discussion.

Your writing and your bitterness show even though your anonymous names change!! Too funny! You are right out there in the front attacking anyone that doesn't agree with you. Take a vacation :))

Hmmmmm. Take a vacation? Stay away from CC? That is probably a good idea.

I think I rather spend my time and money elsewhere. The forums are one reason I liked CC and would spend most of my online money here. It used to be people could discuss things much more nicely. Now, anything that someone disagrees with is greeted by various forms of "You understand nothing", instead of people taking the time to nicely try to make others understand.

Maybe traffic is slow since it is summer so hosts feel more threatened and have more time on their hands to post and vent. And as for guys, well guys are always attacking each other so that's nothing new, lol. But with such a nasty environment, the sense of community that is... I mean... was CC... is now gone.

Just look at the "OMG" post regarding ratings saying I posted just to argue. I based my post on emails I see from CC to hosts. I was basically just repeating what I had recalled and my understanding of things. Maybe I recalled things incorrectly, but it had nothing to do with wanting to argue. Heck, I posted the thing about anonymity as a potential way to reduce arguments.

It isn't about bitterness. I think disappointment would be a better word. People disagreeing with me doesn't matter. But It would be nice for them to take a mature attitude when they do. I've posted a lot of things over the years that people thought were bad ideas, but only recently has the discourse become so nasty. And then I get sucked into it too and sometimes act in a way that maybe I shoudn't.

Nobody will miss me here, in these forums, I am sure. Well maybe you will since I seem to enterain you, lol. But I spend quite a bit here so some will definitely miss my money. And I would imagine other people are being driven away to based on my seeing a new host from CC on that "other site" all of the time.

As an individual member, I mean nothing. But in the aggregate, the members being driven away do mean a lot. Soon this site will be a bunch of money slave members chatting with just the top hosts with a few lower priced hosts picking up the scraps from less wealthy members that are left behind. We see posts that indicate this trend quite often.

So, I will take your advice. Take a vacation. Only chat with a few hosts that like me just as I am (and often agree with my posts by the way), and move on. Things are much easier when you just look at online sites as all about sex, anyway. When you try to make them something more such as a place where you can freely exchange ideas and make friends, you will often be disappointed.

It all started for me 8 years ago when I made some friends and actually visited them. In some ways, I wish that never happened. I wouldn't have had such high expectations for what to expect on a site beyond sex. I would have saved a lot of time and a lot of money. But at least I know that I helped a lot of people pay for school, operations, et cetera, and not by video and stripping, but simply because I knew them well enough and sent it directly. Yeah, a few probably lied, or probably just didn't deserve my help, but at least I know I met a few nice people and helped them have better lives. And nobody here can ever take that away from me.

So I like your idea. I will pay what will surely be a $3000 bill this month (or more... I'm scared to open the bill, lol) and move on other than an occasional visit to a few people I think of worthy of my time and money. After all, I am just some cheap idiot whose ideas are worth nothing.

By the way, don't bother to respond. I will not be reading it. It will either be another attack, sarcastic remark, or something to that effect so really there is no need for me to do so, is there?

Have a good day.

anyway, back to the orginal topic.......

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The complaints are about greed. Greed is a worthy topic for complaints. $4.00 a minute is not greed?

Hosts are limited to a max of $5 in open and $6 in 121. Beyond that, it is whatever the free market will bear. If a price is too high, move on.

you have no idea as to the circumstances which made the host charge that much, after all if he or she charges too much they will never have enough viewers to make enough money. I don't think it is greed as most (yes i know, not all) the hosts i have meet are students trying to make ends meet!
All i can say is, u want someone to talk to, go to glamour or meet new friends, if u want someone to pull out a dildo and use it, go to instant, if u want something inbetween go to alil shy or not so shy, pay the price have a good time, and stop complaining on here about it

hmmm I don't recall asking your advice on who to see or not see. The fact is that $4.00 per minute is more money than 99.999999% of the other people in these girls countries' make., including the president. And you are talking about making ends meet?

Your statements are so untrue. It is typical for a professional person to make much more than that an hour plus they stay busy the entire time like a Dr. with 5 patients every 15 minutes. The point it that is is a big issue to you but not all and who are you to say what a host deserves to make?? It is only your choice to not see that host so quit your complaining. It is not your choice to say that she is greedy to show her body for any price!! It is her choice!!

hmm where to start, i know
1st, i don't remember asking you to respond to my my statement, and if u didn't want anyone to give you their opinion then why make a comment in the first place. I did want people to respond, thats why i wrote mine.
2nd, most hosts don't even charge $4 a min, most i've seen charge between $1-$2 a minute
3rd, $4 a min is alot, but they will not be in video chat 60 mins per hour, 8 hours+ a day, so im not sure how u can make that comparison to someone who has a standard hourly rate, like the president
4th, civil service pay, including politicians is never as good when compared to private sector
5th, the president of which country? The same country as the host in question? Last i checked a atlas, there was more then one
6th, im not advising you which hosts you may see and which you shouldn't. I never even met you before, in fact i have not mentioned you or any hosts by name at all, i asking why host prices and now i think of it, host categories, is such a huge topic for so many people, particularly when the charges and categories are cleared displayed before even entering their rooms.
7th, the hosts, as far as i know, don't work here for free, some of that income goes to camcontacts. No where on here does it state this is a charity, but maybe that is a good way to raise alil money for some charities on some occasions and maybe a topic for another discussion.

"4th, civil service pay, including politicians is never as good when compared to private sector"

I don't know what country you live in, but in the US that is not true. The private sector has fallen way behind federal workers.

okie dokie, thanks for the update

Like when a Domme has a money slave in, the Domme will up Her price for that piggy. It's not always the permanent price you see on any given day.

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who cares what they charge, it's their business and if you can not afford it, move on to one you can or better yet just find another place for your entertainment

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Sweetie, just because you were told by a guy he gave you 5 stars doesn't mean it's true. All votes count as far as I know?

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This would be better answered by hosts in chathost forum but I will try to explain. The last ratings work based on the last 10 ratings that you got. 1 viewer coming into video and rating you a 5 does not give you an instant 5 or raise your rating if the other 9 are low ratings. It is an average of the last 10. Also if a viewer comes into your video several times in a day and rates you 5 each time, only the last rating from that viewer will count is my understanding.
It certainly is not an ideal system or even fair for that matter because many hosts that have had hundreds and thousands of viewer ratings can have her rating score reduced by one low score. It is not based on the ratings from the beginning for the host.
I hope that better explains. It is more than one person rating you low in a days time.

and if in the last 10 votes 3 are from the same viewer but in different days, will them be count?or only the last one?

Yes, they do count as long as they are different days.

1. last vote from each member on a given day, CC time, counts

2. only two of the 10 (not 3) can come from one viewer, regardless of how many accounts

3. a minimum of 3 members is needed to calculate a rating (i never understood that since it is two votes per member and that would be 6 votes, not 10, but anyway, that is what CC says)

4. votes are counted even if the viewer stays 10 seconds, but CC tries to control manipulation of ratings

thx a lot girls

I am not sure what you are talking about 2 times instead of 3? If a viewer comes to a host once per day for 3 days in a row and rates her...all three count!!

Also, your comment: "but CC tries to control manipulation of ratings" is not what they claim when there is questions regarding a rating. They claim it is all electronically controlled and they do not have anyway of monitoring or changing a rating :)

1. Let me be more clear. First, CC only counts the last vote from a member each day. I think we all agree on that.

Second, 10 votes are used to calculate your rating. Up to two of those 10 can be from one viewer, not three or more of the 10. So, if you had 10 sessions total over three days (day 1, day 2 and day 3), and member x was in three of those sessions, each on a different day (one vote day 1, one vote day 2, one vote day 3). and the other seven sessions were with different members each time, this would give you 10 votes over 3 days, BUT CC would only count member x's votes from day 2 and day 3, not day 1. They would look to a time before day 1 and use the last vote from someone other than member x.

I could be wrong about this, and they limit it to 3 votes, not 2, but I think I am correct. If you can post something from CC that shows I am not right, please do so.

2. They don't have people on their staff monitoring everything, but the program they use to calculate ratings looks for unusual patterns to try to throw out improper votes so that the ratings are fair. I don't think they want anything more than that said.

This doesn't mean that they are doing things 100% perfectly, but if you are worried that the same guy can rate you one star 20 days in a row by being in video 10 seconds, I don't think that is a real concern. Similarly, having the same guy rate you 5 stars 20 days in a row also probably won't work if he is staying a very short time each day. And I would advise against trying to manipulate the ratings since this can actually hurt you.

The one thing I have been told is that when a viewer chooses not to vote, it can hurt her rating. I am not sure if that is correct, but if it is, I think that should be changed.

No of that makes sense according to what hosts are told. I have no clue where you get your information but it isn't monitored at all!!!

Just argue to argue!!

Maybe I see emails to hosts from CC so I know exactly what they are told.

You must not be doing a good job.

BAN all the countries where you know there are alot of studios and hosts. Worked for me, no more in and out viewers. I noticed it from the very same day I went through and banned all those countries, I hardly EVER get those in and out viewers now.

A counter-intuitive masterstroke! You are seriously class.

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The 5 minute rule does not work because on this site and every site I have ever been to, the site expects the viewer will know in the first minute or 2 that the pvt is not going as expected and he is advised to leave.

That applies to viewers she is talking about something totally different and there is no min here to rate.

you just didnt get it... if viewer enters in video, and in first seconds he notice that host dont look like her profile photos, host have bad attitude, bad light and camera... so do you think that this viewer should still spend 5 minutes in video before he can vote and give 1 star? thats the problem.

Amen brother

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yes i am not a native english speaker, so what?
are you this same east-european host who recently moved to USA and after spending there 6 months already talk like "this is America and we dont haggle..."
You forgot one thing... this is CC, internet... it is world wide community and most viewers and hosts are not native english speakers but that dosnt mean they cant have something smart to say, unlike some hosts who really can show bad attitude during first seconds in video... in your case it took only 15 seconds to read my post and u already show bad attitude on your reply by talking negative about my english skills.

What?! I never been in US, so you are very wrong. Second I said nothing negative about your english skills, reread my post. But in order dont rate hosts for not good lighting or camera, better check photos bfore enter video-chat.

if you read my original post
"if viewer enters in video, and in first seconds he notice that host dont look like her profile photos, host have bad attitude, bad light and camera... "
maybe u missing the first problem, if host dont look like her profile photos it wont help to check photos before enter in video.

and what did you mean with this: "And more are you not a native english speaker? Looks like that." for me it seems like a negative comment about my english?

You are just banging your head against the wall when you dont want to admit that it will be a problem if viewer has to stay 5 minutes in video before he can vote, because there always will be some hosts who should get 1 star based on first minute in video.

How can u lick waxed pussy in video? lol

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you should do an online waxing show! Schedule it ahead and I bet MANY men will watch!

Anti-waxed pussies!

I didn't think there were any hosts from Tijuana, Mexico here but there must be a few. Do you ask the same thing when you go to the store and want a lower price? If so how does that work for you??

It annoys me when a member asks for a lesser price when the viewers that come into video feel it's well worth the price that I charge. Also, the prices on this site are much less for the most part than other sites, so I think if you can't afford a host (just like all purchases in life) then you should just move on. I don't think that is good advice to spread through the membership and could instead hurt their chances of seeing a host. I block members that ask so they don't have to be tempted any further.

I alweays ask for a lower price at the store! Why not?

And how does that work for you? Do they lower their prices? :)

I live near Tijuana, so I'm there fairly often. The strippers and prostitutes often (as in, most of the time) reduce their prices once you start negotiating. So, the answer to your question is: Yes, it works. I know from first-hand experience.

do you think here are tijuana women?if yes try with them

Well that is great! Then I think it would be in your best interest to continue to shop there especially when looking for prostitutes since this site doesn't provide that service :) You might even get some extra surprises that you didn't even have to pay for...lol

Since you brought up prostitution... a great joke about it:

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The train was traveling along when a beautiful young woman entered the compartment which was deserted except for a businessman reading his paper. The man peered over his paper and asked, "Would you let me fuck you for fifty dollars?"

"Certainly not!" exclaimed the young woman, and the businessman returned to his paper.

A short while later he looked across again and said, "Would you let me fuck you for five million dollars?"

After a brief pause, the woman replied, "I suppose I would." Again the man returned to his newspaper.

A few minutes later the man asked, "Would you let me fuck you for five dollars?"

"Certainly not!" replied the young woman, getting angry now. "What kind of girl do you take me for?"

"We've already established that," replied the man. "Now we're just haggling over the price!"

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The lesson: We all have a price. And all we're really doing is haggling over what that price is.

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99.9% do... they just don't like to admit it. Perhaps you're in that 0.1%...

Words are plentiful; deeds are precious. When push comes to shove, almost everyone will engage in deeds they would otherwise find reprehensible... in exchange for money.

Do you know what makes a beautiful, sincere, upstanding woman into a $2,000/night prostitute? Circumstances + that $2,000.

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Actually in the current climate many shops, even quality names (I am talking in England) are open to negotiation. Speak to whoever has authority in the shop and ask what their best price is. You'll be surprised.

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Are you sure that if you go to used car shop, the price is always what is printed on the car, and you cant negotiate about price of used car in USA?

Oh and now you say, hosts are not used cars... yes u are right, but they not new cars either, i bet they have some miles on the meter already ;-)

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Then why read it?

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Is business slow?

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I am sure they wouldn't consider you as a prize trade-in either :)))

actually Im sure you are used much more than any host here...

hmm... lets imagine you go to a new hairdresser and ask a hairdo, and she give you a price that is 2X the price that you paid to other hairdresser who done your hair earlier... are you really sure you just turn around and go out without asking if this hairdresser would negotiate about the price?

I don't know where you are from but no there is no negotiation on prices at stylists and salons here...this is America and we don't haggle although I do believe the original viewer is also American and feels it appropriate here :) We have freedom of choice to shop wherever we choose to pay the price that fits our budgets but it would be considered rude in most instance if you offer to pay half of the price for a service. They would tell you what I tell the very few members that come into my room and want a lesser price "I think that you should shop else where". I work at my job just like everyone else and I don't know of too many people that are willing to reduce the hourly or salary jobs that they work and would be very upset to be asked such a request. I think that members that suggest such things should reverse the question and ask themselves if they would accept less from their jobs and what their reaction would HONESTLY be.

We don't haggle in America? What are you talking about?

You never bought a car? You never bought stereo equipment from a smaller store as opposed to Best Buy? You never asked your hair dresser when she says she is going to raise her price if she could keep you at the same?

Rarely, can you negotiate at a huge store like a Best Buy or Macy's or something, but you can always negotiate with smaller stores and with individual operations. And if you are not, then you are wasting a lot of money.

The difference with a host is that she may feel that you are saying "I want to see you but you're just not worth that much to me," and take things personally. A host that is mature and realistic, however, would see that people have different economic situations and also regardless of economic status, still like to pay less even if it is for the Rolls Royce of cars or the Rolls Royce of hosts.

Personally, I don't usually ever ask for a price reduction from a host or a password because it feels awkward because a host is a person, not a car. Still, I don't think it is wrong to ask, and a smart host would ask herself if she still could do okay at a lower price for that one member, or even a few. dropping from $2,00 by 10% to $1,80, for example would only cost her $6 in one hour at most (except if it is an 80% member) and could be the difference between a lot of members and just a few.

I understand how you feel, but I think you are taking things too personally. You came to CC to work. It is nice to be respected, but with all due respect, you are working on a porn site. Are you really expecting respect from a bunch of perverts? If a guy asks for 10% off and traffic is slow, perhaps you should do it. If you have enough regulars, or think too many guys will notice the reduction so it isn't worth it, then don't. But focus on what brought you here... the money... and look for respect in better places.

Hi member (categories) sorry but you don't disguise yourself well.

Again you are trying to convince readers of something that seems so right to you but obviously not many hosts would buy into your logic. Apparently you haven't read the answers from hosts or you would understand that there are other complications to doing such a thing. It is good business sense for hosts to not lower her price and have other viewers (including her regulars) see a reduced price. Of course you only see things from your own narrow minded perspective though. Instead of always trying to figure out what hosts should do and not do ....why don't you go negotiate a car or stereo that will keep you entertained.

Hi person that cannot read very well. Let my quote myself, and perhaps this time you wil understand plain English:

"If you have enough regulars, or think too many guys will notice the reduction so it isn't worth it, then don't."

I considered what you said, and specifically recommended that if she thought it would be a bad idea to lower her price in her situation, than don't do it. You were so anxious to go on the attack, you completely missed my point.

I look at the forums as a place where we can discuss things inteligently. Apparently, for you, the forums are a place to attack whenver and wherever you can even when such attacks have no merit whatsoever.
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Tired of your logic which is very one sided. You don't have to repeat yourself over and over. Your point is obvious the first time you write and it does not come with a lot of perspective from all sides. You don't have to tell the hosts how to run their business for you. They figure it out with help from other hosts :)

I specifically show that I take both sides, yet you continue to attack me anyway. And again, only suggestions are made. I didn't insist that anyone does anything. And I even said that I don't like to ask for reductions, and almost never do, because it is awkward given that I TAKE THE HOST'S PERSPECTIVE and understand it 1) can be insulting and 2) can be bad for business. One host even recently offered me a discount next time I visited her, and I keep visiting her without accepting the offer and asking that she fulfills her promise to me.

Is the appropriate answer to every topic here "just let the host do what she wants"? Is it completely inappropriate to make suggestions or give one's perspective?

Even when I AGREED WITH YOU and quoted myself to show that to you, you attacked me. Clearly, this is some kind of personal issue you have with me, or you just are some bitter person that likes to use the forums to put other people down.

You know what, after all this BULLSHIT, I think I will seriously consider just visiting my host friends and taking the rest of my money elsewhere. I spend several thousand a month here, and I rather spend it with people that treat each other with respect instead of all of this bullshit.

Whoever suggested that we shouldn't even have forums is right! You can't even agree with someone without being attacked. Unfuckingbeliveable!!!

Your comments are unsolicted advice to hosts how to run their business. Also, a lot of sarcasim and rudeness. Why don't you just let the hosts do what they think is best in their business and you just act as a member:) The hosts are NOT comparable to Cars or Stereo equipment and they are very clear on how to run their business and they have the advise of other hosts that DO understand this business. Your guidance isn't exactly warranted considering you have never been a female host on this or any other site.
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I understand how you feel, but I think you are taking things too personally. You came to CC to work. It is nice to be respected, but with all due respect, you are working on a porn site. Are you really expecting respect from a bunch of perverts? If a guy asks for 10% off and traffic is slow, perhaps you should do it. If you have enough regulars, or think too many guys will notice the reduction so it isn't worth it, then don't. But focus on what brought you here... the money... and look for respect in better places.

Regardless if I am on this site or not....I do deserve respect whether you think so or not!! You wouldn't be welcome in my room with that attitude!!

Try not quoting things out of context next time. I also said the following:

"Personally, I don't usually ever ask for a price reduction from a host or a password because it feels awkward because a host is a person, not a car."

I clearly showed that I respected hosts, looked at them as people, not objects, and tried to take their position. I just said that CC wasn't a place to expect respect, not that it shouldn't be given. My comments make that 100% clear. And you would be very surprised how many hosts truly like me, want to meet me, talk to me on yahoo even if I almost never visit them in video, seek my advice, et cetera. And a lot of times they agree with what I say here, but they simply don't post about it.

And as for giving unsolicited advice, I was responding to a topic in the forum. I am not allowed to do this? Only you and people that agree with you are?

Oh wait, I agreed with you, but I guess that I am still not allowed to respond. No. That is not even correct. YOU AGREED WITH ME SINCE I POSTED THAT IT MIGHT BE BAD FOR BUSINESS FIRST!!! It seems that I do understand a host's perspective. Why? Because I talk to hosts all the time about issues here.

Tell you what, if you post your name, I will be happy to never visit you since this is what you want. I will not be posting mine because just like with anonymous voting, I think this allows for a free flow of ideas, and anyway, my host friends usually know what I think and can tell what posts are mine. But the way you mischaracterize me and my words, I really don't want to deal with problems from new hosts I may visit. I would like a fair chance to get to know them that isn't inhibited by your quoting me out of context, et cetera.

I certainly respect your right not to use your name, but since you don't want me to visit you, and it was your idea that I shouldn't, just put your name here, and I won't. I am sure that you feel you have said nothing that would keep members from your room since you are 100% correct in all that you say and it may even be good advertising for you, so take advantage of the opportunity. If not, I respect your decision, but unfortunately, I might meet you one day in your room so consider if you want to take this risk, lol.

I have nothing more to say on this issue since it is obvious that even when we agree and even when I show that I do in fact try to take the host's perspective and look at them in a respectful manner (even though I suggested she really shouldn't be looking for respect here, I do it anyway), you will still find a way to attack me even it means quoting me out of context to prove your point. There is no reason to even try to have a rational conversation with you. You attack people that agree with you so what's the point of even trying?

Have a nice day and a nice life. Good luck to you in your future endeavors.

Oh you poor thing! Nobody is attacking you but why in the world are you telling hosts how to run their business?? You don't think they know??

Attacked?? You are totally out of line with your remarks. Don't tell hosts how to run their business!! If you don't want to see them that is fine. None have asked you for your opinions about what they should or should not do.

Wow someone with a brain that can actually think in advance!

I never asked and never will ask for a reduced price to any host, but i find it of a total lack of respect to their regulars when i see someone doing so. Far from being a smart move, i have to say.

Sometimes I change my price just to see what happen. I never had complaints about it from my viewers, seem my regulars dont pay much attention at my price, of course if its not a big difference.So I dont understand why someone from them feel offended because yesterday I had 1.5$ and today back to 2$. Probably they are not cheapers, as you.

A. Mofo that you commented to was not saying anything offensive :)

Amen brother

Amen brother

"this is America"

Thanks for the enlightenment, I must have misunderstood what country "this is".

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No thank you....you must be in hardcore like Not So Shy or IA where chat is an option. I don't feel like a robot or a circus act with a new show every 20 minutes. Would prefer intimate conversation to get to know what my viewer prefers. Many hosts don't even like more than one viewer at a time. A lot of holes in that thought....sorry!

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This is a difficult issue. On the one hand, you made what is potentially a good suggestion, and it is one that allows hosts to retain complete freedom. On the other hand, you dared to try to change things on CC. I am not sure that is allowed unless you are a host.

I am not sure why hosts will have a problem with your suggestion since you allowed them to retain freedom, but I am sure some will come up with a reason. Perhaps they won't like it because a voyeur might be interested in nudity and as we all know, nudity is just for instant action. Or perhaps it will be because you really are trying to make CC like all the other sites because the voyeur feature would encourage nudity since hosts could make more money with voyeurs and give an unfair advantage over hosts that just want to chat.

I think your best bet is not to make proposals that would seem to have merit and to mind your own business. If you don't like CC just as it is, then I believe that the majority thinks you should just go someplace else. As a member, your job is to keep repeating "CC is perfect just the way it is" over and over, and to never forget this.

Of course, if you were a host, you would be allowed to make suggestions. You could do things like tell other hosts what price to charge and whether or not they should use toys in certain categories. You also could tell CC to change the minimum prices and to enforce what are now just guidelines and make them actual restrictions so, for example, toys could never be used in glamour.

But sadly, you are not a host, and as good as your idea may or may not be, you are not allowed to make suggestions. It is simply an unwritten rule here, and that unwritten rule cannot become a written rule until a host suggests that it should be actually put in writing.

Great sarcasm my friend.

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You have way too much time on your hands. I think you ought to find a nice chat host here, court her, get married, and settle down.

One thing I have learned, when people aren't paying attention to the "substance" of what you are saying, despite your endless repetitive attempts to get them to understand, THEY JUST ARE NOT INTERESTED! Women are notorious for this, in my experience... looool

I gave up, lol. Let CC be CC. It is perfect just the way it is, after all, although hosts certainly do a lot of complaining among themselves for a site that is so perfect, lol. I just couldn't help but to make the above post.

I wouldn't have cared if people didn't like my idea. It just would have been nice to consider alternatives to deal with the issues I addressed if they didn't like it. And thinking the idea through more, it might give an unfair advantage to hosts that strip since they could have two sessions whereas a host that never wanted to strip or only strip for certain members, she could only have one. Perhaps the answer to that would be allowing only one open room at a time instead of two. Or maybe there is a better way to go altogether. But even if there is, I am certainly not allowed to suggest it.

But nobody wanted to really focus on the substance of the ideas. Nobody thought things through enough to show the flaw in my idea that I just pointed out. And nobody came up with different ideas.

Anyway, I've learned my lesson. CC is perfect. CC is perfect. It doesn't matter that two categories are identical. Why? Because CC is perfect just the way it is.

Why do we constantly have to COPY other sites? Their prices are higher to offset the extras that you want. Would you like to pay more as base costs? Then there would be massive complaints about that.
These ideas also create major changes with the program and right now the way it exists members screen freezes constantly or hosts have problems....why create more just so it can be like another site. Also, those sites take a larger percentage and as a host I am not eager to have that change. I could go there at a higher price and to make the same money here with lower rates.
I know from the comments it seems so easy but look deeper and it is much more complicated. What if the hosts start leaving because unless they want that option they don't get any video chats?
There are beautiful girls here at lower prices and that is what attracts the members and works for the hosts too. No need to clone this site to others!!

"These ideas also create major changes with the program and right now the way it exists members screen freezes constantly or hosts have problems"

No doubt you are one of the vocal minority that opposed the 4 screen size feature we currently have. Fortunately CC listens to their paying customers.

Well I am one of those (large)-paying members and the 4 screen sizes is no great enhancement. If the picture quality is poor to begin with then increasing the screen size just exacerbates the problem, increases the pixel size etc, and is still better to have a small screen to maintain a distinct image. A more fundamental change is needed, but I am not tech savvy enough to understand what: server perhaps? But the point is the same host can have a picture as sharp as a button full screen on other sites, but on cc (with the host using the self same camera equipment) the picture quality is no better than ever, just bigger. This is not a whinge, I accept the limitations by choosing to stay here, just facts that need to be aired.

Maybe you should go on the reality TV series "The Biggest Loser"

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STRIP - to take it off, to take it all off. but not like you are getting ready for bed, as in "rip 'em off, drop 'em down, hop right in and snore away" but more like erotically, sensually, slowly, teasingly a little here, a little there, taking it down a little back up a little, whetting my appetite, stimulating my desire, giving me just enough to see to get my hopes up then frustrating them, then rebuilding them/frustrating them, but each time, rebuilding a little more until I'm practically drooling and blithering like an idiot with lust, and then just as I cannot withstand any more without suffering permament brain damage or cardiac arrest, or having my hormones burst out of my abdomen like the alien creature in ALIEN with Sigourney Weaver, then go completely nude, with your hands suggestively carressing every inch of your body and your fingers eventually playing delightfully with the "land down under" until all my tongue hangs out, and my eyes begin to weep, and I experience one helluva explosion from my "territory out front", and I am left in a smoldering mass of melted down humanity, with one hand held aloft, and a hundred dollar bill in it, searching for the G-string to put it in.

Does that help?

I forgot the other question ;)

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And that's just how a good striptease should be: long... and amazing!

That sounds like a good hour show .....I totally agree :))

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I know you never take anything off. You must have a clothes fetish

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Since you are in Dungeon, your sissy boys do all the work and you can sit back and dominate.

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mmmmm me too... but I think we might be thinking a little differently.

By the way, anyone with that type of figure, pleas post so I don't miss seeing you. :p

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I have that type of figure, and I'm online now.

But

I'm a guy

and I'm not a host.

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you have a great body too !

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Just move on to the others that charge less....just because she is new doesn't mean she is hot and neither does her price. I don't understand why these things bother members so much with so many to choose from. Write in her personal forum if you want to tell her or them.
They are in business and if they can make it on that price then let them be...if not then they will reduce it or leave. It is that simple.

My post was not a complaint about prices. It wasn't about her price bothering me. I respect a host's right to charge what she wants and generally don't ask for discounts or passwords or post that prices are too high. If anything, I think a few hosts have prices that are too low, but unless they are my friends, I think I will keep that to myself, lol.

But in the situation I described, almost nobody will like her price, and she will be ignored. And perhaps she is a popular host from another site that we would enjoy. But if nobody visits her, she might just leave and go back to wherever she came from and figure CC just wasn't any good.

I see new hosts do what I described all of the time, and everyone loses. She loses since nobody visits her, and members lose since a potentially good host leaves the site. Yes, members could visit her at her price if they really want to, but very few will. But if she lowered it a bit, more members could enjoy visiting her, and she could be successful on CC.

As to posting in her forum, that is a good idea except she probably doesn't even know it is there. Maybe an email would be better.

I guess that I will just forget about hosts like that. Usually, I just shake my head and think "No way that price will work," and move on when I see a host that I know has a price that is too high. I was just trying to see if there was a way to try to deal with the situation and give them some advice when they were new.

#1 You sound very much like the alias Member (categories) hhmmm?

#2 Others don't necessarily think as you do so they might not find that price offensive and would visit her.

#3 I am sure she will figure it out on her own if her room is empty all the time.

#4 Just enjoy being a member with the amount of control that you have with the choice of what category to visit to excite your senses and then pick a host and if you are not entertained then pick a different host. Make the ones you like favorites and enjoy them.

#5 Let the hosts run their business as they see fit within the Rules & Guidelines of CC. If you have a suggestion for a host or want to praise her then write her an email or leave her a message in her personal forum.

# Be happy!!

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it is just pity that these hosts dont want to listen and learn, pity for cc... because i seen it many times, these hosts who work on other sites with higher price come to cc, try with same price 4.99, and in one week they say this is crappy site and they dont get any traffic in here and they can only think that it is because CC dont have traffic, and they tell this also to others.

u forgett something quite important the daily number of a host's hours online, some hosts are working on more sites so they avoid the empty room, and if they earn for example 1.25 a minute their share why would they waste their time for less mostly if they have a limited time to be online.
Think how now using performernotification their regulars can find them here and come here only for a cheaper price, they will loose their money they got used with.
All hosts are calculating their earnings as a medium income per hour online, maybe these girls opened here an account to have an supllimentary earning not to lower their existing medium earnings.
Girls who work on multiple sites they don.t "belong" to just one, they will come and go open or close one site according to their general earnings PER HOUR ONLINE.
Same works for me : I will not loose a pvt of 1.25 min (my share) in the favour of another pvt of 0.75 min (my share) and i.ll not loose my good spenders from another site because they will come here finding me with 1/3 of the price they got used with.
So, i must make a compromise between those 2 principles and i.m fixing here the same price of the other ones but as it should be a FanClub advantage just a bit lower , not much.

Kinda confused...when hosts "complain" about that other hosts have a too low charge .. every member complains at his turn that isnt normal for us(hosts) to get stressed about it .. that every host should do what ever she wants and charge how much she wants ..

But when some hosts have a higher charge then members are used with.. again there appear some members complaining about it ...
So where's the logic?Cause i don't get it...

As always,i don't wanna sound rude,but as you said " it would be nice if someone could explain this to her when she first arrives.",instead wanting someone to explain her how things are working in this site,you should do it!
As an answer to: "when she first arrives" .. Better later then never :)

Who is to say that she doesn't do great at that price?? Sounds like you are brain washed by lowball viewers that complain about prices.
Maybe she does fantastic and she laughs at other hosts so cheap...lol.

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Yes I was and this was your comment: it would be nice if someone could explain this to her when she first arrives.",instead wanting someone to explain her how things are working in this site,you should do it!
Maybe she is doing well at that price and she is laughing at hosts with such a cheap price like you seem to think she should be at!! It is her choice so let her be!! She might be doing great!!

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Not all viewers are at a 50% for the host. Quite often it is much lower when they come from another site so each must determine for themselves. Who (besides the original poster) says she isn't doing very good??

My husband tends to advise everybody about everything, and funny he is always right but everybody hates him for that.
So he becomes sad and frustrated asking me why everybody hates him as long as he was right since beginning?
I keep telling him : u cannot advise a person against her will, against her culture, against her life(age) experience, against her perception and temporary needs. All people need to discover life by themselves and build their own experience. That.s what LIFE is, after all: explore it by ourselves, building our own experience and getting our own opinions about ...anything.

Let the hosts live by their own guidelines, it.s so simple, as long as nobody owns the absolute truth.

Its very simple supply vs demand.

Exactly and people keep shopping at Sax 5th Avenue, Nordstrom, etc and appreciate and will pay the extra money for the quality and service that they are buying :))

Yes, and the philosophy of such establishments is "the customer is always right"...which I doubt is a policy you subscribe to.

They don't give anything away like you would want so I am sure you would never be happy!!

You really should learn not to pass judgement on things or people you know nothing about. I am sure you are familiar with Wittgenstein's famous remarks on the subject. I pay the asking price for whatever I want and NEVER seek to haggle: I have way too much class for that.

Very well said! She will value herself and perhaps she knows something others don't! Who is to say!

I guess you and smiling1 are right. I like getting advice from others and don't think I know it all, but I guess most people are too insecure to think that way.

I will keep my mouth shut and let people screw up unless they are about to do real damage to themselves. But I will write on a piece of paper the idea I had and the date. And after they screw up, will show them how I knew what was going to happen. And when they say why didn't you warn me, I will say "because the last time I tried, you got angry at me.." :p

Unless you pay the price to see her then who are you to say that she is too much? You assume that you think for all which is not true.
When she wants to ask for opinions then she will probably not come to you but to the chathost forum. Or she will live and learn without your advice.
Seems there is a motive on your part like maybe you want to see her but you don't want to pay the price. I suggest that you should move on and forget about it. You can't have what you can't afford!
Do you also go into the supermarket and ask them to reduce the price on things that you want? Especially when others buy them at the full price? I think not! If so tell me how that works out for you.

You are overreacting. I believe that I stated I see this situation a number of times. There isn't just one particular host. Nor are they always hosts that I would be interested in seeing. Sometimes they are hosts that I wouldn't really want to see at $1.00, let alone a high price.

The most recent occasion was with a $4.00 host that had pretty good pics, but probably wouldn't attract a lot of attention if I were to guess. I know some guys might have the money and not even think about price, and of course, a few rich regulars is all it takes to succeed, but something like $3.50 or $4.00 is so far out of the mainstream that usually that simply won't work for most hosts, and I just thought maybe it might help to let them know this. Apparently, however, there really is no tactful way to let them know so I guess I will just keep my opinion regarding a given host's price to myself. It's too bad though since some might have good careers at CC if they just understood the price trends better.

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"For the most part it appears that members that come here to complain constantly (unless it is a valid complaint of violation of rules) are the same ones that spend long periods of time sitting in free chat....just an observation"

You object to my making assumptions, and then leap to conclusions of your own. How do you know that guys that complain in the forums also are always sitting in text chat? What possible connecton is there between the two?

You say that you have made an "observation" so you obvously have specific information and are not just speculatng, correct? Or is it that you are doing exactly what you accused me of?

As for me, I do in fact base my statements on actual observation. I see hosts with high prices without any customers. I check just out of curiousity from time to time to see how things are working for people here. And sometimes hosts will ask me what other hosts are charging so they can decide what to charge. Is this a 100% perfect scientific study? Of course not, but empirical research is a valid basis to reach conclusions.

I also find it interesting that you attack me the way that you do. My motivations were purely noble. I just thought some hosts charge too much and are not going to have a lot of success here and maybe someone could tell them. I base this on being a member for something like 7 years and seeing how things work around here, and 95% of those 7 years was not spent in text chat. In fact, I don't like text chat other than to get the hi, hru stuff out of the way, see if a host strips when I am in the mood and to see if the host likes cam to cam. Other than that, I will occasionally say hello to a friend in text chat but not usually.

I accept the notion that I should mind my own business. That is why I posted.... namely, to see what people thought. But your jumping to conclusions that I am just some rude jerk sitting around text chat all day long are far from accurate.

Nice job in being fair and objective and not generalizing and leaping to conclusions.

I don't need to respond to your comments because your assumptions are just not accurate. It does appear that you have way too much time on your hands and are extremely bored if these things bother you so much. Just a suggestion but you could become a Studio Boss and manage the girls the way you think appropriate especially since you've done so much research already.

You seem to have plenty of time to read everything I say and post about it, lol. And excellent job in showing the world that you are above everyone else and won't even dignify my post with an answer.

It is amazing how if you let someone keep posting over and over again, sooner or later, they will just show their true colors. I told you at least two times, I believe, that I agreed with some things you said but still you needed to focus on the negative and keep attacking.

Congratulations, you win. I won't post again on this topic and will now give you the opportunity for the last word. Go for it!

as long as the host didn't ask your oppinion regarding her price, I don't think you should go in her room and advise to lower the price, she know better than everybody her value and will never care of what think the others, few days ago came in my room one member to ask me to lower my price from 1.80 to 0.50, telling me that many hosts stay with this price and I am too expensive, and of course I send him to go and visit that cheap hosts who have 0.50.The idea is never give advices if your advbise was not request.

My thoughts..... (1) you underestimate the intelligence of the hosts. They are not stupid. They know what they are doing.

(2) it's none of your business what they charge, whether you agree with the price or not. So butt out. let the host run her own business (or her boss do so)

(3) If they have a high price and it doesn't produce business, they will figure it out. Don't assume they are new from some other higher-priced site. The market will bear only what the market will bear. And if she doesn't like the results, she will either lower her price or say "to hell with this place."

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Who was Arguably the Top host who ever worked here? i know im new.... but thats seems to be settingtthe Bar really high.

AboveXBeyond. It doesn't mean she was the best in everyone's opinon, but she had an open price of $2,50 and a 121 price of $5,00 and consistently had members in her 121 for very long periods of time.

When I said "best", by the way, I meant most successful, not best looking or nicest person or most fun to chat with. I can think of some others that could also be considered the most successful, but without knowing all of the statistics such as money made per hour online and things like that, I could only say "arguably".

It would be an interesting topic to see who people thought was "the best" and how to define it. Most money? Most enjoyable time in video? Anyway, the point was that some new hosts' prices are higher than those of a host with a proven track record and that most hosts wouldn't succeed with such a high price and perhaps should lower it. I was just wondering if there was any tactful way to point this out to a new host, but apparently, there isn't, lol.

Thanks for that, i was curious it it was Tellmemore, she was before my time but still seems to have a lot of admirers, but as you said the best is a very subjective term & im keen to find who are considered the Must See or Wish list Hosts i should check out

And the ultimate irony is that she would be simultaneously broadcasting the expensive 121 session for free on another site.

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The point was that when hosts like something, they feel that members should shut up, not complain, and not suggest to CC or to hosts how to improve things since everything of course is perfect on CC and this is the greatest site in the world. BUT when hosts don't like something, all of sudden things are not so perfect and CC does not know all and that it is okay to tell other people what to do such as what price to charge, set price minimums, et cetera.

Given that usually the same people post a lot, I was just pointing out that there is a very good chance that people are being hypocrities. My post had nothing to do with prices. It was just one example of hosts trying to tell other hosts what to do and thinking that is okay but not liking when their customers with the money, in other words, members, make suggestions here.

Either we all have the right to express ourselves or we don't. But some people here think only they have the right to express opinions and make suggestions about how to improve things.

Maybe immaturity would describe things better than hypocrisy in many ways.

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You are so wrong: I guess there are many criteria by which a host chooses her price, but is wrong to generalise that the price is low to match the "quality" of what is being offered. I've visited hundreds of hosts and the top 3 for English language skills are all 50 cents a minute.

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A very mature and educated response...what was you saying about bad attitudes!

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When do you stop?? You are so obsessed with your thoughts... Get a life and let CC be CC!!

I thought that this was CC being CC.

NO we do not think like YOU do!! YOU have no business trying to change what already works fine. Each host is in essence in her own business and she runs it like she see's fit. You can either work with the system or not but to start expecting others to think as you do....is a waste of time. Why don't you become a host and quit just snooping (in chathost forum)and complaining because no one see's your way. There are many other factors involved that you don't understand and it is not your business to know as a viewer!

I hope in the future all ignore you posts to TRY to force people to agree with you.

Well, CC lets you read my forum, so I think I should get to read yours, lol. And my other posts were about making suggestions, not telling other people what to do. I just found it interesting that while I was not deemed worthy of making suggestions that it was perfectly acceptable for hosts to make suggestons so I decided to post about it.

By the way, traffic still slow? I didn't check the forum today or ask one of my host friends to do it for me. Maybe the hosts having problems are in that situation because they take your attitude, namely, they think that members should just shut up, mind their own business, and give them all of their money. Sorry, but I don't feel that way, and will speak my mind whenever I deem it to be appropriate.

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Try and be more creative and quit repeating what you say over and over until you can get someone to agree with you :)
No one is saying that suggestions are wrong here but unless it benefits all why would it be a consideration. All spoke out and let you know what their thoughts were and it just enough for you. You continue to get more bitter because you aren't convincing anyone. Also you must have lied to get a host account to spy on what the hosts chat about in their forum. The viewers forum is open for view for hosts and all so that they can learn possibly from the viewers comments.
Sorry you are so angry and turning obnoxious because this site is very fun just the way it works. CC has figured it out to work well for most of the members and the hosts. The problem with you is you want hardcore activity guaranteed when you are in a softcore category that has clearly stated that most of the hosts have chosen to be in their category because they are SHY! With that said she might be shy for one member and not another so their are no guarantees unless she tells you so in chat or her profile. So what don't you understand about that??
Honestly why is so important for you to argue and complain about what the hosts are doing?? It is their business. If they are following the rules and guidelines that were established by CC (which knows this business very well and has developed it to be the best for most and be a profitable business) then why are you bashing hosts??

Just enjoy or don't.....it is that simple. You know what choices you have. You have chosen instead to just annoy the hosts.

I will focus on the substance of the debate

1. soft core means different things to different people. CC uses it to try to direct hosts that usually do more sexuall things to other categories besides soft core, but it doesn't mean a lack of nudity at all times or even most times. It is very often used in every day language to simply mean stripping without spreading, toys, et cetera.

2. For the 1000000000000000th time, I left a category where a host could do what she wanted, when she wanted and for whom she wanted. Why must we have TWO categories for this? Why are you so attached to the name little shy? Only one or two hosts addressed this issue, but they focused on things like the original intent of glamour, literal English translations, et cetera and ignored what actually occurs on CC.

3. Why must a change on CC benefit "all"? Why can't it benefit most people? And perhaps my ideas would benefit most people even if some don't like them.

This all comes down to some hosts not being told what to do and thinking that all is okay. But maybe my idea might actually benefit some of them as I stated elsewhere.

Very few actually address the substance of my ideas. They just react and say "Oh, another member telling everyone what to do" instead of really thinking them through. I can see a host that never strips liking to have two categories where she can two what she wants for marketing purposes, but that doesn't mean it benefits the majority.

A lot of other hosts and any member which likes nudity, which even on a site with a lot of chatting is still the majority of members, would benefit from my suggestions in my opinion. Unfortunately, people took an immature approach of "No no no... I want to do what I want when I want and like things how they are so just shut up mr. member" instead of really thinking things through and saying "Hmmmm, I understand where you're coming from but I don't like that but maybe mandatory topless in lil shy 121 would be okay instead of complete nudity and that might help me as a host since guys like this when they visit me so it would help me get video if they knew I would go topless in 121" but nobody was willing to really take that next step and think things through.

I only started this thread to point out the hypocrisy and immaturity of many hosts here. The first person to respond understood that. That doesn't mean he and I are in the majority or in the minority. We really don't know that. But what we definitely know is that almost no host wants to think through the substance of ideas here. They just like to say "shut up members and keep your opinions to yourselves." What they don't understand that shutting up also can mean taking our money elsewhere.

Enough....you don't comprehend what anyone is telling you. You just keep repeating the same thing which is just like another site. Go there if you like that. They do free video too.
Instead you come here and bitch and want to change it to that site. By the way the girls are not forced to be nude in shy there but only if they choose to be on free chat and the banner says that. I like two categories and just the way it currently is on CC. So simple if you can't be happy here with the huge selection in hardcore then why don't you go there? I doubt you will be missed. Perhaps because it is cheaper here....lol.
Wish you used your right screen name I would block you just because I find you really boring and obviously very narrow minded about something that obviously isn't a problem other than to you.

LMAO!!! You post as "Host" and attack me for not using my screen name. Thank you for proving my point!!! You are a complete hypocrit!

Step up to the plate and put your actions where your words are... Post your name!!! Show how tough you really are!!! Come on!!! Make it happen!! Otherwise you are exactly what I have said about other hosts posting here... immature and a hypocit. Prove me wrong! Post your name!!

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Be careful... Your tongue is so far in your cheek that you might put a hole in the side of your face, lol.

Doesn't somebody need to show everyone when the Emperor is really butt naked instead of having nice new clothes on? People sure do hate being told to go look in the mirror, don't they? :p

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Thanks for the compliment... Hope you meant it, lol.

I like CC better than any site. I like it even better than a site where I can see really hot hosts strip for free. I just thought that making things more clear and making a clear distinction between two categories, namely glamour and lil shy, would be better for everyone, hosts and members included for all the reasons I have already stated. But for some reason, maybe becaue people didn't read carefully since my post was pretty long. Or because English isn't their first language, they didn't seem to understand what I was saying. Or maybe they just didn't want to understand since they like things how they are and simply don't want changes even though some changes may make the site better for the majority.

Unfortunately, people just thought I was trying to tell everyone what to do. This was not my intention. I always left a category where hosts had 100% complete freedom. I just thought we didn't need two categories for this where one is enough. And I thought that for those hosts willing to strip but that truly like 121 for this, that a revised lil shy would give them a great opportunity to get more business since many members get frustrated and ignore soft core hosts since they never know what to expect. And the 5 min stuff was just about the fact that CC won't let a member stay too long if he wants a credit so I thought a show should start by that time.

You know the strange thing? I think some lil shy hosts would be better off in Glamour. First, they would be in the first adult category and appear at the top. And second, an unscientific analysis tells me that there are at least as many top hosts in lil shy as glamour, and maybe more, so they could avoid these lil shy top hosts. But I guess they like having two sessions online and my idea wouldn't let them do that unless they were willing to strip in lil shy 121 for anyone. It is a shame since I think that most hosts would be better off because most are willing to strip even if it is only in 121 and guys would be more likely to visit a host if he knew she stripped and that is what he was looking for.

No freedoms were lost. Nobody was being told what to do. Nobody was being disrespected. And I think many hosts and all members would be benefited. The only downside I can see is that some hosts might need to go from glamour to lil shy and couldn't have two sessions unless they were willing to strip in lil shy 121. In most cases, I doubt that would be much of a big issue given that most hosts are willing to strip... They just want more money and want it to be in 121 which is exactly what would happen under my suggestions.

Its a waste of time to suggest new things on this site or any other site. I go to 6 sites. All have good points and bad points. So it really depends on my mood. For me CC has the most intimate and private rooms and is by far the best chat site.

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Yes and that is what each unique and desirable. Why should all be a clone of the other? There are reasons that host and members come here and that makes it successful in it own unique way! It takes some longer than others to figure that out. Like your post!!

What upsets people is that, although you admit that any analysis you have done is unscientific, you continually say how your proposals will benefit many/most members and hosts. This is just your opinion. I do not have a problem with there being two sofcore categories. I think the description "softcore" is appropriate. The term "softcore" is descriptive not proscriptive and covers a range of erotic/sexual actions.

I think the option to have more than one session open at a time is more important to some hosts than you realise. This is surely one reason why when CC recently did some rationalisation of the categories they kept two softcore categories and two non-adult categories.

Glad you spoke up and offered your rational thoughts with consideration for ALL!!

Ah, spoken like a true non nude host